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Lion over Snowy?

I'd been hopping back and forth on my MacPro between SL and Lion for the last year or so. SL on a spinning HD and Lion on a SSD. I finally just transitioned to Lion full time this week. I'm not a huge fan but after testing Lion on my MBP for a year (also on a SSD) I figured it wasn't the end of the world. It took me awhile to figure out how to restore a lot of the things Lion seemed to remove. (Hint, most of the interface stuff you liked about SL is still there, the switches to turn them on are all just buried now) My old iMac will stay on SL for as long as I own it as I still use a lot of old PPC apps.
My go to office suite is still AppleWorks. It does what I need and I love it.
 
No Rosetta, no comment.

I still have to support legacy applications and peripherals like Palm PDAs, as their software is barred from the Loin cage, I am too till they are replaced.
That £20 OS upgrade will cost me about £3000 in total.
My friend's i5 iMac has Loin and it seems slow to boot, has a Safari bug we had to switch to 32 bit to avoid and generally doesn't seem as snappy as Snowy.

Loin is a great name for it, I love it! Mountain Loin even more so! :D
 
Mattww said:
If you have a FireWire iSight Camera try disconnecting it and it should sleep.
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Sadly that doesn't help me, don't have one. I've done a clean install and still have the no sleeping issue. I've even disconnected everything but the Apple keyboard/mouse and monitor still same problem.
 
mustang_dvs said:
I'll have to see if this solves my insomnia -- my MP keeps waking up every 20-30 minutes, on its own.

Edit: Nope.
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run this terminal command

Code: 
syslog |grep -i "Wake reason"

check the results why your computer wakes;


OHC: stands for Open Host Controller, is usually USB or Firewire. If you see OHC1 or OHC2 it is almost certainly an external USB keyboard or mouse that has woken up the machine.
EHC: standing for Enhanced Host Controller, is another USB interface, but can also be wireless devices and bluetooth since they are also on the USB bus of a Mac.
USB: a USB device woke the machine up
LID0: this is literally the lid of your MacBook or MacBook Pro, when you open the lid the machine wakes up from sleep.
PWRB: PWRB stands for Power Button, which is the physical power button on your Mac
RTC: Real Time Clock Alarm, is generally from wake-on-demand services like when you schedule sleep and wake on a Mac via the Energy Saver control panel. It can also be from launchd setting, user applications, backups, and other scheduled events.

on topic; still running snow here, weent to snow for the 64 bit, and didn't really see a need to upgrade to lion, my sis has it, but i actually don't like the UI as much as snow's

though that might be because i'm used to snow

BUT, i'll be getting (either lion or mountain lion when it comes out) for my hackintosh, since builds are based on that ;)

Regards,

Apple-Guy
 
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VanneDC said:
...returned to Snow Leopard, only really due to the interface changes. I loathed the smaller buttons for minimize, expand and store down below..

cheers
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I went to the Apple store to check out Lion and the small buttons and other little eye candy things, turned me off. Small fonts and buttons are too much of an eye strain for me and I was very content with SL. So, I decided to pass of SL. Alos, aside from iCloud integration I had no problems with SL and I would also need to spend about $250 for a new calibrated for my monitors since the old one is not compatible with Lion. I may upgrade to ML after the bugs get worked out - I never want to be the first in line for new things. I also may simple just wait for the time to refresh my MBP and get it then.
 
gpzjock said:
I still have to support legacy applications and peripherals like Palm PDAs, as their software is barred from the Loin cage, I am too till they are replaced.
That £20 OS upgrade will cost me about £3000 in total.
My friend's i5 iMac has Loin and it seems slow to boot, has a Safari bug we had to switch to 32 bit to avoid and generally doesn't seem as snappy as Snowy.

Loin is a great name for it, I love it! Mountain Loin even more so! :D
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I've stayed with legacy operating systems before. Given the stability of Snow Leopard, I don't see a compelling reason to switch. I'll wait for a stable release of Mountain Lion, assuming it looks better, and go skip Lion entirely. Given that SL is still popular, you could probably push the upgrade out at least one more year. It sounds like you have a lot of old stuff.
 
Upgraded as soon as it came out, but downgraded to SL two months later and never thought about going back to lion since. Lion is a mess.
 
Apple-Guy said:
run this terminal command

Code: 
syslog |grep -i "Wake reason"

check the results why your computer wakes;


OHC: stands for Open Host Controller, is usually USB or Firewire. If you see OHC1 or OHC2 it is almost certainly an external USB keyboard or mouse that has woken up the machine.
EHC: standing for Enhanced Host Controller, is another USB interface, but can also be wireless devices and bluetooth since they are also on the USB bus of a Mac.
USB: a USB device woke the machine up
LID0: this is literally the lid of your MacBook or MacBook Pro, when you open the lid the machine wakes up from sleep.
PWRB: PWRB stands for Power Button, which is the physical power button on your Mac
RTC: Real Time Clock Alarm, is generally from wake-on-demand services like when you schedule sleep and wake on a Mac via the Energy Saver control panel. It can also be from launchd setting, user applications, backups, and other scheduled events.
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I have this problem on my MacPro running 10.6.8

I did what you suggested and it says "Wake reason = UHC4"

What would that be? I have disconnected all peripherals except the mouse/keyboard (Apple original).
 
I've just put Lion on my mbp 2011 8gb - all behaves ok, a few nice features (including iCloud).

My home desktop is a 2008 mac mini running snow leopard - so Im flip flopping between the two without too much fustration. I am tempted to up that to lion too, but I'll need a ram upgrade too.
 
zephonic said:
I have this problem on my MacPro running 10.6.8

I did what you suggested and it says "Wake reason = UHC4"

What would that be? I have disconnected all peripherals except the mouse/keyboard (Apple original).
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could be the keyboard or mouse IF they are bluetooth

if they are, turn off the bluetooth devices and test it overnight or whenever you feel like it, if it's fixed, go visit a retails tore and explain the issue saying the keyboard or mouse is at fault, they'll probably provide you a new one if it's in warranty period

if they are not, i suggest doing a PMU/SMC/PRAM/VRAM reset

(yes all of them)

PMU and SMC are the same process IIRC, just unplug the computer from power and all other peripherals, then hold the power button for 5 seconds

for P and Vram hold command+option+p+r upon boot, when done successfully, the computer should reboot again before loading the OS

Regards,

Apple-Guy

ps this is not a tech support thread though :p
 
derbothaus said:
Nope. Slower. Harder on the GPU. Superfluous effects that net zero benefit. Feels half baked. If you are going to overwrite animations they should be fast and smooth. It works like Windows now with all windows animating open and fading closed which honestly seems to slow things down. Especially when you get a graphic hiccup. They destroyed WiFi stability as well.
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Total nay sayer. It's good to be current.
 
ClassObject said:
Total nay sayer. It's good to be current.
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Isn't that what M$ said about Vista?
An update that removes backwards compatability and increases the strain on components is not a panacea. M$ even put the backwards compat back in the Ultimate (most expensive) version of Windoze 7.
 
Wirelessly posted

I only installed Lion to get graphics card drivers to use a PC card in my Mac Pro. Other than that, my favorite feature in Lion is that you can resize the window by going over any edge of the window, not just the right and bottom :p

Because of this thread, I downgraded to SL on my 2007 MBP (which seemed to be getting slow, not sure if it was Lion or the aging computer itself) but I will keep it on my 2008 Mac Pro (even though I changed the card to an ATI 5770 last night) just for kicks.
 
gpzjock said:
Isn't that what M$ said about Vista?
An update that removes backwards compatability and increases the strain on components is not a panacea. M$ even put the backwards compat back in the Ultimate (most expensive) version of Windoze 7.
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This is unix not winblows.
 
It's funny how much people complain about OSX turing into an idevice. I guess my question is have you seen or used Windows 8? Seems like Microsoft is doing the something only in my mind seems a bit more drastic. I am all for integration but I still want it to feel separate. Now I know I will never go back to Windows.
 
derbothaus said:
Tell that to Skype for OS X. You're quite the "Yes Man" yourself.
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I have been a Skype user for many years and I have to say that it always kind of sucked on OSX. That is not specific to Lion.

Well, it sucked compared to the Windows-version, anyway. Compared to Skype on Ubuntu it absolutely rules.
 
ClassObject said:
Total nay sayer. It's good to be current.
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I'd take the most stable OS over the most current. SL is still best supported for a lot of things. I kind of hate the trend toward an annual update cycle as developers do their heavy testing on different cycles, so stability is good there. Yes they release patches and fixes, but this isn't the same as fully tuning a release. Annual releases also don't really push the pace of improvements. They smooth out the addition of features at the possible cost of stability.
 
ClassObject said:
This is unix not winblows.
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So isn't it a little galling that the current version of OS X is LESS backwards compatible to previous software than the current version of "Winblows"?
;)

Open source please not closed shop.
 
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I hated the idea of it but now love it on my Macbook. Of course, I did stick in an SSD to make sure performance was good. And maxed out the memory at 6GB.

6GB is not enough though - go for at least 8GB. And you need a bigger hard disk than usual because of Versions, especially if you trim down large movies with Quicktime X. Speaking of QTX, it sucks for exporting video.

Also, animations are stuttery on my GMA X3100. My Power Mac with an oldschool FireGL card outperforms it as far as animations go.
 
gpzjock said:
So isn't it a little galling that the current version of OS X is LESS backwards compatible to previous software than the current version of "Winblows"?
;)

Open source please not closed shop.
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Why is going backwards a good thing?
 
Anyone who say's Lions performance is comparable to Windows, either:


A.) Has never used windows 7

B.) Has an extremely crappy machine

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Jethryn Freyman said:
I hated the idea of it but now love it on my Macbook. Of course, I did stick in an SSD to make sure performance was good. And maxed out the memory at 6GB.

6GB is not enough though - go for at least 8GB. And you need a bigger hard disk than usual because of Versions, especially if you trim down large movies with Quicktime X. Speaking of QTX, it sucks for exporting video.

Also, animations are stuttery on my GMA X3100. My Power Mac with an oldschool FireGL card outperforms it as far as animations go.
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That Intel GMA chip was garbage when it came out, let alone today.
 
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