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Lion should really be on a disc

im absolutely positive that >90 % of the mac users wont have problems updating their systems, apple wont wait for all those 'legacy' users to update their systems and habits and thats good.

also, i think yesterday we were all witnesses of death of the optical drive, at least in macbooks and macbooks pro, and that makes me very happy :)
 
beosound3200 said:
also, i think yesterday we were all witnesses of death of the optical drive, at least in macbooks and macbooks pro, and that makes me very happy :)
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After such an iTunes-store success, A Optical Drive-less MBA, Snow Leopard as a USB Flash Drive, and quotes such as "this is the future of notebooks" on the MBA Keynote, boy do I wish you're right!
 
what's going to be in the box?

when you buy a mac, what's going to be in the box? at least they should offer usb drive versions
 
I don't know why everyone is so thrilled about no longer having the option of a disc or an optical drive in their computer. What does it hurt to have the ability to read optical discs or reinstall the OS if need be? Also, if Lion requires registration with an Apple ID in order to install or use, then Apple just effectively killed off the Mac as a platform in business, research and development, educational and lab settings. Moreover, what will become of new Apple machines: will they require over-the-air activation before being usable, like iOS devices? Will Apple machines no longer come with real OS discs and instead only have the half-assed "hidden system reimage" partition like cheap Windows machines?
 
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Riemann Zeta said:
I don't know why everyone is so thrilled about no longer having the option of a disc or an optical drive in their computer. What does it hurt to have the ability to read optical discs or reinstall the OS if need be? Also, if Lion requires registration with an Apple ID in order to install or use, then Apple just effectively killed off the Mac as a platform in business, research and development, educational and lab settings. Moreover, what will become of new Apple machines: will they require over-the-air activation before being usable, like iOS devices?
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It's not about not having the option of having a disc. It's about the implications: the hypothetical removal of Optical Drives in their laptops, and use of that space for a bigger battery, a dedicated GPU in the 13'' case, a SSD (SO +Apps) + HDD (Files) hybrid combo, a lighter laptop overall, an improved cooling system... any one of those would be far more likely with the removal of the ODD. And for more useful as well.
 
beosound3200 said:
im absolutely positive that >90 % of the mac users wont have problems updating their systems, apple wont wait for all those 'legacy' users to update their systems and habits and thats good.

also, i think yesterday we were all witnesses of death of the optical drive, at least in macbooks and macbooks pro, and that makes me very happy :)
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I think your wrong, your missing the big picture. How about other people around the world with slow capped internet connections? If they want to kill optical media, fine but at least give us a usb stick so the other say 50% of the world can update to lion easily.
 
Optical disc aside, it simply seems foolish that an OS would be distributed as a .app file, would require a credit card and an ultra-fast internet connection to install or use and cannot be installed without a pre-existing Snow Leo partition. These requirements ensure that Lion cannot be used in an institutional or lab environment and officially ends the viability of Mac OS as a corporate/educational/government workstation OS.

Of course, Microsoft seems to be taking a similar approach with Windows 8. What the hell happened to the multi-function, multitasking workstation OS? Contrary to what Steve thinks, some people still need and/or want a real workstation computer rather than just an iPad.
 
rikscha said:
only problem with that is, it is not going to be like that. there is going to be a much more elegant solution.
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Based on what? Throwing around buzz words like "elegant" doesnt mean anything.

I'm almost certain Apple will put it on disc eventually (after enough people complain), but until then it will be a huge PITA.
 
NoSmokingBandit said:
Based on what? Throwing around buzz words like "elegant" doesnt mean anything.

I'm almost certain Apple will put it on disc eventually (after enough people complain), but until then it will be a huge PITA.
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NO PITA at all.
Use Finder to locate the Mac OS X Lion installer, right-click and select "Show Package Contents"
Find the SharedSupport folder and look for a file names "InstallESD.dmg". This is the Lion Boot Disc image.
Copy the "InstallESD.dmg" file to another folder such as your desktop.
Launch Disk Utility and click the burn button
Select the "InstallESD.dmg" copy as the image to burn, insert a DVD, and in a few minutes you will have a brand new Lion Boot Disc.
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Source - http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/07/how-to-burn-a-lion-boot-disc/
 
That's not a viable solution, Patrick, because your average user will have no idea they can do that.
 
It really is to early to complain about this... who knows what Apple will do, they could have something built in that offers to burn a boot disk.
 
Blues003 said:
It's not about not having the option of having a disc. It's about the implications: the hypothetical removal of Optical Drives in their laptops, and use of that space for a bigger battery, a dedicated GPU in the 13'' case, a SSD (SO +Apps) + HDD (Files) hybrid combo, a lighter laptop overall, an improved cooling system... any one of those would be far more likely with the removal of the ODD. And for more useful as well.
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All of the above would still be possible if Lion was distributed on both the Mac App Store and DVD. Or, the Mac App Store and USB. There's absolutely no reason to make things harder for the part of the population who doesn't have access to good internet, just so that next laptops have no ODD.

(Don't get me wrong, I'd love a MBP withoud a Superdrive. However, I like physical copies of my operating systems ;))
 
I agree with the original poster to 100%.

Instead of dumbing down the operating system and making it cute they should be working on making a more powerful working environment for people who know how to use a computer. Instead of looking at iOS they could look at developers making OS X better, one good example being how much more powerful file managers than the Finder there are out there, or how i am forced to use third party hacks to change the system menu font or scroll bar colour.

But Apple has been working hard the last five years to turn the Mac in to a shiny fashion device for computer illiterate meterosexuals.
 
Sky Blue said:
In the keynote, Schiller says that previous versions of OS X were on disc. "no more. Lion will be available only on the App Store."
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I'm OK with getting the OS from the app store as I long as I can put together a method of installing it on a new or blank HD WITHOUT having to install Snow Leopard first (such as by burning my own DVD).
 
RobT said:
I'm OK with getting the OS from the app store as I long as I can put together a method of installing it on a new or blank HD WITHOUT having to install Snow Leopard first (such as by burning my own DVD).
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Me too. But at the moment it looks like only in the App Store. :(
 
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