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n0de

macrumors 6502
Feb 3, 2005
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The processor math question seems to be divided, you can both obviously do basic math :cool:

What will answer the question is not what is the difference in the labeled Mhz, but is the labeled Mhz shared by each core, or does each core run at the labeled Mhz (1.8/2 or 1.8x2)?

If it shared (1.8/2) then the delta is smaller than if each one runs discreetly (1.8x2).
 

mashoutposse

macrumors 6502
Dec 13, 2003
371
45
The processor math question seems to be divided, you can both obviously do basic math :cool:

What will answer the question is not what is the difference in the labled Mhz, but is the labeled Mhz shared by each core, or does each core run at the labeled Mhz (1.8/2 or 1.8x2)?

LOL :p Pretty much.

Example: We're comparing a C2D 2.0GHz with a (hypothetical) C2D 1.0GHz. Within the scope of the discussion, it is disingenuous to suggest that the 2.0GHz is... 2.0GHz faster :p
 

RicksterMac

macrumors newbie
Jan 22, 2008
8
0
Chicago
MBA 1.8 GHz Prepared for shipping yet?

Has anyone confirmed the MBA 1.8 GHz configuration is in the "prepared for shipment" stage yet? Thanks
 

sanford

macrumors 65816
Jan 5, 2003
1,265
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Dallas, USA
Just checkd my thingie online...and apparently mine is in China? insane!

That'll mean the paperwork has been electronically submitted to the local FedEx station, and it'll fly out next FedEx flight window (in the evenings, local time). You should have it by Friday, counting it may not actually fly out until tomorrow local Chinese time.

I figured. Under-promise, over-deliver. I'm going to call a local Apple Store and see what they say about having them in stock for sale.
 

DaveC

macrumors newbie
Jan 22, 2008
8
0
MBA friendly group/forum

This is the only positive forum out there for the MBA. I understand that some don't like it and that is fine, but they keep clogging all the forums with negatives. I ahope that after we start seeing some in public the positive forums will appear.

Well, go here for a MBA friendly forum/discussion. Just set it up yesterday and hopefully it can be a good watering hole for exchanging information and tips/tricks/hacks. Hopefully...

http://groups.google.com/group/mac-book-air

DaveC
 

sanford

macrumors 65816
Jan 5, 2003
1,265
0
Dallas, USA
Apple aren't the first people to do it, but I will never understand this moronic pursuit of thin-ness. Within reason (and I don't consider 1" to be unreasonable) it's not thin-ness that makes a machine portable, it's light weight and width and depth. MBA is all about the looks and showing off the technology. It's not really any more portable than the normal MacBook.

I like the MB Air and I'm seriously considering buying one, as with my wife and three kids we have a direct pass-down path for my work Macs, nothing has to be sold or sit unused. But I can't fault Azurael's comments on design. Ultra-thin is not necessarily the most important or even desirable ergonomic trait in a notebook computer. Less than a third of an inch is *negligible*. As for weight, the difference between 5 pounds and maybe 1.5 pounds is substantial. The difference between 5 pounds and 3 pounds is not in practice particularly that great. For example, on the shelf here in front of me, Johnson's fairly long but good enough recent novel "Tree of Smoke", in hardback, weighs right about two pounds. I throw that in my bag with a 5-pound MacBook or a 3-pound MB Air, I'm really going to notice the difference. I throw in several such books, or a couple of average trade paperbacks with a ten-pound Dell monster, sure, that who package I'll notice.

But when you're talking about carting about in a bag or backpack an iPhone or iPod, a couple file folders, a book, a magazine, maybe a paper notebook, a pen or two, typical mobile kit, whether it's a MacBook or an MB Air, the weight difference is not something that will register. What you will notice, if you're not comfortable with the network optical drive solution or the MB Air will be your only computer, so you'll need that external SuperDrive, is the trouble of packing that in once in a while, and you'll notice with that item on your desk, the MB Air's footprint is actually larger than a MacBook; and if you have an iPhone and don't care to cable switch between the optical drive and the iPhone cable or cradle, add a hub, etc. Quickly, it's not so lean as it appears at first blush.

So at a premium you have less storage, fewer ports of the kind you will actually use, less storage, etc. I've read a lot of MB Air buyers on here stating the $1,000 premium for overall less solid-state storage is just out there, hardly worth it. I think you have to acknowledge it's fair someone will see a $700 premium for twice the RAM but slower speed, no optical drive, no internal optical available period, no analog/optical audio-in line, no included remote, no internal storage upgrade possible, very reasonably priced but time-consuming battery replacement, it's not worth it for a third inch and two pounds.

Again, this from someone who may very well buy one of the $1,800 models, but I do need to have a look at first, hold, use it. If it gives me that feeling of perfect leanness, of ergonomic efficiency and overall simplicity of form, then no matter it's not much leaner, and not smaller really at all, and may ultimately be less simple, with an external or remote optical drive required from time to time, then that premium may be well worth it for me. In my head. Which is really only what counts, if I'm satisfied. But you have to acknowledge it's latitude you're getting on your personal choice of what is, ultimately, almost purely style and afford the same latitude to others' choices of style.

And you do have to admit: You can spend $2,000 on a very top designer's wool suit, or spend $1,000 on a perfectly nice wool suit from a line with less cachet. The MB Air over the MacBook, it's all about that cachet.
 

rsm5068

macrumors regular
Jan 21, 2008
196
0
PS This is the only positive forum out there for the MBA. I understand that some don't like it and that is fine, but they keep clogging all the forums with negatives. I ahope that after we start seeing some in public the positive forums will appear.


This is because most people, myself included, were looking for a MBP in something the size of a ritz cracker. Most people just can't deal with the fact that the 12" PowerBook is gone and may never return. The people on this thread understand the intended purpose of the MBA and love it. Do I wish it had a faster processor, yes but who doesn't. Just because the MBA can't take full advantage of Maya and doesn't have an optical drive doesn't mean that it sucks, it just showcases a transformation in technology. My friend's dad said the day of the Keynote "Apple was the first one to get rid of the Floppy too... Do you miss it?" And besides, when was the last time you actually used DVD's anyhow?
 

teerexx52

macrumors 68020
May 1, 2005
2,072
173
Florida West Coast
This is because most people, myself included, were looking for a MBP in something the size of a ritz cracker. Most people just can't deal with the fact that the 12" PowerBook is gone and may never return. The people on this thread understand the intended purpose of the MBA and love it. Do I wish it had a faster processor, yes but who doesn't. Just because the MBA can't take full advantage of Maya and doesn't have an optical drive doesn't mean that it sucks, it just showcases a transformation in technology. My friend's dad said the day of the Keynote "Apple was the first one to get rid of the Floppy too... Do you miss it?" And besides, when was the last time you actually used DVD's anyhow?

Well said "Thanks"
 

Azurael

macrumors regular
Mar 21, 2005
191
0
No, there's a substantial difference... Beside the fact that I'd stopped using floppies long before Apple dumped them (I can't remember using one after my Amigas really), I don't miss the optical drive. I'm happy to live without the optical drive, if the machine was actually small. However, doesn't it strike you as odd that other manufacturers can build machines as small as the MBA by volume, and probably smaller in terms of practical portability, which have proper HDDs in them?

I mourn the 12" PowerBook. It was a popular product. It's too early to say whether the MBA will be a popular product, but it certainly seems a lot more niche to me. I can't see how it's going to sell on anything but looks.
 

jjd

macrumors regular
Aug 22, 2003
223
63
I mourn the 12" PowerBook. It was a popular product. It's too early to say whether the MBA will be a popular product, but it certainly seems a lot more niche to me. I can't see how it's going to sell on anything but looks.

I understand this and I wish the Airbook had a slightly smaller footprint. But, let's not get too sentimental. The 12" PB was a slow as molasses and the screen was, by today's standard's, just awful. And I think it was about the same price as an Airbook. We might have preferred a smaller screen and associated footprint for the MBA, but my gawd, 4 years ago if you had offered a 12" PB user an MBA instead: he would have grabbed it - might have missed the footprint, but not the brick-like thickness, G4 speeds, dull display (and the short batt life).

I have not yet decided whether to get an MBA - I have a bunch of Macs these days - will check it out in store this weekend :) But, I suspect the performance-robbing thinness will be hard to resist...

Question - someone mentioned the airline adaptor: will the adaptor for my MBP not work with the MBA?
 

rsm5068

macrumors regular
Jan 21, 2008
196
0
Question - someone mentioned the airline adaptor: will the adaptor for my MBP not work with the MBA?

The airline adapter wont work with the MBA because of the angle that the connector forms with the surface of the MBA. That angle is almost perpendicular with the table surface and would put gigantic amounts of stress on the cable. However, Apple released a universal adapter to address that issue.
 

jjd

macrumors regular
Aug 22, 2003
223
63
The airline adapter wont work with the MBA because of the angle that the connector forms with the surface of the MBA. That angle is almost perpendicular with the table surface and would put gigantic amounts of stress on the cable. However, Apple released a universal adapter to address that issue.

Hpmh. That's annoying. Ok thanks.
 

JackSYi

macrumors 6502a
Feb 20, 2005
890
0
I'm also doubting any has shipped. I have a feeling Apple wants to have the MBA in the general public's hands only after 10.5.2 has been released. Which by the looks of it is going to be released around friday. Meaning they should ship sometime later this week, I'm hoping for tomorrow.
 

ahaxton

macrumors 6502a
Jan 17, 2008
552
0
Think people are lying about the shipped status?


Anyone whose got one thats shipped post a screen!
 
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