We've been waiting since 2006. The quad core iMac took that long. All the models should be quad core right now. The problem already exists on the notebook side.
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Looking ahead on the 2010 iMac
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Dude, I'm really trying to but my lips and tongue simply won't do it.
Actually the current processors E7600 and E8600 do have a 65W TDP. So we already have the socket and the cooling systems in the current lineup. Now we need our favorite fruit-company to jump into the quad game with both feet!
I know. But doesn't Apple usually go with the lowest wattage vs power ratio? I hope they go with either. The Duo line is rather dated.
are these Core i3/i5 Clarkdale is also released on 7th of Jan?
we really need a Mid 2010 iMac thread.
Considering how apple wants to differentiate the product we might not see the quad cores in 21.5" iMac at all. Dual cores on the 21.5" and quad cores on the 27".
Ok thanks, It might take a while for apple to refresh the 21.5" iMacs - anytime between April to June, i am guessing mostly on WWDC 2010.
Eidorian, Thanks i can see the thread title changed.
I am pretty happy with 3.06Ghz Core 2 duo as it is, Core i5 dual core or Quad Core will really rock the 21.5" iMac.
iMac 21.5"
3.06Ghz Core i3 530
1920x1080
1 TB HDD
4 GB RAM
Graphics ???
$1199
3.06Ghz Core i3 530
1920x1080
1.5 TB or 2TB HDD
4GB RAM
ATI 5XXX 256MB
$1499 (may be $1399?)
is there a chance 21.5" goes to 23"/24" Wide screen?
on the 27" iMac $1699 will see the i5 - 750 quad core. $1999 model will see i7 - 860 quad core and other usual HDD upgrade and Graphic upgrade.
3.06Ghz Core i3 530
1920x1080
1 TB HDD
4 GB RAM
Graphics ???
$1199
3.06Ghz Core i3 530
1920x1080
1.5 TB or 2TB HDD
4GB RAM
ATI 5XXX 256MB
$1499 (may be $1399?)
is there a chance 21.5" goes to 23"/24" Wide screen?
on the 27" iMac $1699 will see the i5 - 750 quad core. $1999 model will see i7 - 860 quad core and other usual HDD upgrade and Graphic upgrade.
When ever you need it you can't find it:
Does anybody have a link or plain numbers on how much faster an i3 is compared to a C2D at the same clockspeed?
Well the rumor is that Apple rejected the Arrandale's. The Clarkdale also has intergrated IGP with the ability for a discreet GPU.
Until Intel and Apple and Nvidia work things out, I dont' see a discreet option with a i5 intel chip anytime soon. The Quad core is the same wattage as the now Core 2 Duo and they would not have to change much of anything but the chip and they can still add a updated Nvidia IGP. Everyone seems to forget about open CL. It's not like Apple is just going to abandon it. No way,no how.
Here is my prediction on the base.
45W or 65W Quad core Core 2
750GB HD
Ion 2
In about six weeks time.
Now check back here in six weeks.
word on the street is Core i5 Dual cores will easily beat Quad 2 Quads, so ideal upgrade for 21.5" dual core i3/i5.
if you go higher frequency on Core 2 Quad it will more expensive than Core i5 750 ($196).
I do not think apple wants to stick to the LGA 775 for long time (otherwise we - customers will be poor stuck with old technology)
my guess 3.06Ghz LGA 775 is a stop gap for 6 months in 21.5" and apple did not wanted to miss the holiday sales (Intel releases the dual core i5s Jan 7th 2010).
if you go higher frequency on Core 2 Quad it will more expensive than Core i5 750 ($196).
I do not think apple wants to stick to the LGA 775 for long time (otherwise we - customers will be poor stuck with old technology)
my guess 3.06Ghz LGA 775 is a stop gap for 6 months in 21.5" and apple did not wanted to miss the holiday sales (Intel releases the dual core i5s Jan 7th 2010).
Well, the quad-core defiantly compete with the dual core i5's and then some. We are talking 4 cores as opposed to two. So the benefits are there.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Quad+Q9100+@+2.26GHz
But what about Apple and there rejection of Intel's IGP? Are they just going to go with a discreet option only across the whole line. And what about Open CL. We will see in about 4 to 10 weeks.
The reason for the pre-mature release of he imacs was due to the release of Windows 7.
When the i5's and i7's with the intergrated IGP's and HP, Dell, Lenovo scoop them up Apple will not sit idle while their competition releases new machines with new processors while the imac line goes with nothing new. They will respond.
I hope your right, but I don't want a intel IGP any where on my machine. Even if there is a discreet GPU or not. And I don't think Apple does either.
Gpu
Can anyone more familiar with apple and the GPU scene tell me what kind of GPU would we see in new high-end iMacs next year?
I want to get a 27" i7 but the weakness of the mobile 4850 is the only thing holding me back.
I thought with openCL and all they would at least put a decent GPU in it.
WWDC is probs from June 28th to July 2nd as we found out today. Would they wait till then to bring new iMacs out?
All I want is a mac that can play games like COD6 etc with close to full specs at a decent to good frame rate.
Can anyone more familiar with apple and the GPU scene tell me what kind of GPU would we see in new high-end iMacs next year?
I want to get a 27" i7 but the weakness of the mobile 4850 is the only thing holding me back.
I thought with openCL and all they would at least put a decent GPU in it.
WWDC is probs from June 28th to July 2nd as we found out today. Would they wait till then to bring new iMacs out?
All I want is a mac that can play games like COD6 etc with close to full specs at a decent to good frame rate.
Can anyone more familiar with apple and the GPU scene tell me what kind of GPU would we see in new high-end iMacs next year?
I want to get a 27" i7 but the weakness of the mobile 4850 is the only thing holding me back.
I thought with openCL and all they would at least put a decent GPU in it.
WWDC is probs from June 28th to July 2nd as we found out today. Would they wait till then to bring new iMacs out?
All I want is a mac that can play games like COD6 etc with close to full specs at a decent to good frame rate.
Probably the ion 2 in the base and the 5 series cards in the rest. The 4850 is actually a good card and can play COD6, most likely. The new macs will be out probably around march and you will see either a speed bump, with newer processors and newer GPU's.
I reckon March may be a tad optimistic, I would think more likely May / June but anything is possible
i think you are mixing the mobile and desktop Core 2 Quads.
Right now apple uses desktop CPU and the dual core i3/i5s i am talking are desktop CPUs
I just gave that processor for reference. All the 9000 series intel quads are 45W to 65W or less. So they could put a desktop quad in there. The 9100 quad even though it is a mobile processor competes quite well with the i5's. I gave the a reference to the 9100 since it is Intel's lowest performing quad in 45nM. The desktop versions perform better and are only 45W to 65W.
Intel would have to offer the Quads for the same price as the i5's or i7's for this to happen. But the performance is there.
http://www.intel.com/en_uk/consumer/rating-partner.htm?iid=ENGSHORT+rating-partner&
HP,Dell,Lenovo, Acer are all coming out with new machines with the new i7's and i5's and the new Core 2 9000 Quads sometime between early Jan and March.
I don't see apple even in the lower end 21.5 Mac which is there best selling Mac going for that long without either a i5 or a low wattage Quad. The 27's already have them. Apple's main competition do not sell a computer that even competes with the 27's maybe the HP 25's Touch Smart's all in ones.
They are all gunning for the imac that is there best selling model which is the 21.5 base.
The market dictates what they do and do not do. Not Apple. Window's 7 came out, what does Apple do they release the new Imacs ahead of time a week from the Window's 7 launch date.
We saw a refresh last March and later in October of the same year with nothing being new released in March like Window's 7 or new Intel processors and Oct saw the Release of Window's 7. This is a six month time frame. March will be a five to six month time frame from Oct.
Jan we will see the release of the New Intel processor's on Jan 7. Apple will hopefully act on it accordingly.
It can play it. But not at a resolution that does the beautiful 27" panel justice. Isn't the ion a mobile gpu for netbooks and stuff?
ok, i thought so, we are in the same page then.
price list for reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_Intel_microprocessors#Core_i3
Core i3/i5 are in similar price range of E7600/E8600
I have the Q9550S in another pc. It's a very nice cpu and runs quite cool. It would be nice to see in an iMac.
So, is 65w the TDP limit for an iMac then? (at least as is currently designed)
ATM it seems to be the limit in the current 21.5-iMac as the E7600 and E8600 have a 65W design.
I still doubt that Apple will use these processors in the next iMac revision. They are too "geeky", too high-end for a Mac.
But it would still be nice!
True, maybe I'll be able to pick up a Q9550 for ~$150! That'll be a welcome upgrade from the Q8200
Positive thing about this is that Core 2 Duos and Quads will be even cheaper in future so we might see 999$ iMac
I really think you should look at the price of an E8400 last year and the price today.
The Core 2 parts are going to be EOL for Lynnfield and Clarkdale. Celeron and Pentium Dual Core are the remaining new Core 2 parts for 2010. Then again Apple has ended up with EOL parts before.
i think price is not a real issue here
At $196 i5-750 Quad Core CPU possible at $1499 machine if not at $1199 machine.
two factors deciding what goes on 21.5"
and another note prices from intel differs on common upgrade cycle CPUs versus EOLed CPUs. Intel is first one wants to see EOLed CPUs go away and promote the new one. They will be happy to see customers to pickup i5/i7s than a Core 2 Quads.
At $196 i5-750 Quad Core CPU possible at $1499 machine if not at $1199 machine.
two factors deciding what goes on 21.5"
- Heat and thermal problems
- apple differentiation between products
and another note prices from intel differs on common upgrade cycle CPUs versus EOLed CPUs. Intel is first one wants to see EOLed CPUs go away and promote the new one. They will be happy to see customers to pickup i5/i7s than a Core 2 Quads.
Open more than 7 files in PS and you'll get an OpenCL limit message. The 256MB of video ram just doesn't cut it.