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Looking ahead on the 2010 iMac

Eidorian said:
I don't see any price reductions for this month. :confused:
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sorry i meant to say: NO price reduction (and mistyped it).

with the new socket, i doubt EOL cpus will get any price reduction from intel, but we might see them from retailer to clear the inventory for new socket.
 
hi Eidorian,

is there any ATI 5XXX benchmarks out yet?

also looks like Clarkdale implementation of DMI implementation different from Lynnfield because of integrated GPU.
 
shanmugam said:
hi Eidorian,

is there any ATI 5XXX benchmarks out yet?

also looks like Clarkdale implementation of DMI implementation different from Lynnfield because of integrated GPU.
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The only comparison I've seen is the Mobility 5870 vs. GTX 280M.

Otherwise the remaining Mobility HD 5000 is line compared in bar graphs against the previous HD 4000 models.
 
Did anyone notice that there are allot of refurbs on the Apple store, and that they reduced the price by 100 on all refurbs. The 27 is now selling for 1449!

Last time they did this was last Sept and early Oct, and early last year in Feb.

Could the release of the i3's and i5's be cause of a early refresh? I think it is too early, but the signs are there. Maybe we might be surprised in a few weeks.
 
iamthedudeman said:
Did anyone notice that there are allot of refurbs on the Apple store, and that they reduced the price by 100 on all refurbs. The 27 is now selling for 1449!

Last time they did this was last Sept and early Oct, and early last year in Feb.

Could the release of the i3's and i5's be cause of a early refresh? I think it is too early, but the signs are there. Maybe we might be surprised in a few weeks.
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That might be cool to have an update. Maybe an update could have them start meeting demand or something with more available components.
 
Quick revisions are not unheard of. And with Ati undoubtedly keen to push their 5000 series and Intels i5's gaining features we might see one early.

Still haven't received my i5 (ordered in Oct) so I'm canceling and waiting.
 
waitingonnov said:
Quick revisions are not unheard of. And with Ati undoubtedly keen to push their 5000 series and Intels i5's gaining features we might see one early.

Still haven't received my i5 (ordered in Oct) so I'm canceling and waiting.
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6 to 8 months are the normal time gap between iMac revisions, so we can expect a speed bump or revision any time from April.

you know it is going to be almost 3 months since the latest iMac relesaed ...
 
Seems odd to have less gpu ram on the 27" especially since it starts counting a lot more at higher resolutions


shanmugam said:
39 watts easily fit in 27" iMac, wonder apple will go all the way up 5870 (60 watts) or not.

21.5" - ATI 5670 1GB?
27" - ATI 5850 512MB?
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shanmugam said:
official price list i3-540 - $133.

http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...D5D-BD48-4877D2434C0E/Jan_03_10_1ku_Price.pdf

i750s and i860s low power CPUs also in there ...

and NO price reduction on Core 2 Quads

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/2010/20100107comp_sm.htm#story press release

and clever marketing strategy

http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/processors/ratings.htm

i7 - 5 stars
i5 - 4 stars
i3 - 3 stars and so on
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Just judging by the price list alone, we might see a tiered processor tied to a different model of imac. For instance the Mac mini will probably get the Core i3's and the imac 21.5's and entry level 27 get the i5's.

The 3.06Ghz in the i3 540 is not going to fly because that is what the current imacs run at. Even though they are not equal clock for clock they will avoid that for marketing purposes, hopefully. They will go above that mark. And the low end i5 hits that mark at 3.2Ghz. They might even go for the 3.33 i5.

Even though the price of the current Core 2 Duo is 133 and the high end core i3 540 is 133 I am sure that intel is giving Apple special pricing, Apple is not paying that price. Either way both are a improvement over the Current Core 2 duo and any version.

We also have the new ATI cards 5 series and I can see that Apple will have to go with a discreet solution because of the i5 and i3's intergrated GPU from intel will force their hand. It doesn't matter though as the ATI 5 series all support OpenGL and direct X11.

I can see them getting rid of Nvidia entirely. Ion 2 or the Geforce G310 is nothing but a 210M. Yes twice as fast as the current 9400M G but still no support for direct X11.
 
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3+M+330+@+2.13GHz

looking at this graphic i3M 330 (macbook bound) easily beats 21.5" iMac E7600 CPU.

Once i3/i5 goes to MacBook and MacBookPro, they will be faster than 21.5" iMac desktop!!! ironic.

really apple needs to put the i5 750 into $1499 and up machines ...

$1199
21.5" iMac
Core i3 - 3.06Ghz
1TB HDD
4GB RAM
ATI 5670 256MB

$1499
21.5" iMac
Core i5 - 750 - 2.66GHz
4GB RAM
1TB HDD
ATI 5670 512MB

$1699
27" iMac
Core i5 - 750 - 2.66GHz
4GB RAM
1TB HDD
ATI 5670 512MB

$1999
27" iMac
Core i7 - 860 - 2.80GHz
4GB RAM
2TB HDD
ATI 5850 1GB
 
Certainly would be great to the 5800 series, and i3 in the low end. But I don't see the high end 21.5 matching the 27 that closely. Maybe a faster clocked i3

shanmugam said:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3+M+330+@+2.13GHz

looking at this graphic i3M 330 (macbook bound) easily beats 21.5" iMac E7600 CPU.

Once i3/i5 goes to MacBook and MacBookPro, they will be faster than 21.5" iMac desktop!!! ironic.

really apple needs to put the i5 750 into $1499 and up machines ...

$1199
21.5" iMac
Core i3 - 3.06Ghz
1TB HDD
4GB RAM
ATI 5670 256MB

$1499
21.5" iMac
Core i5 - 750 - 2.66GHz
4GB RAM
1TB HDD
ATI 5670 512MB

$1699
27" iMac
Core i5 - 750 - 2.66GHz
4GB RAM
1TB HDD
ATI 5670 512MB

$1999
27" iMac
Core i7 - 860 - 2.80GHz
4GB RAM
2TB HDD
ATI 5850 1GB
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waitingonnov said:
Certainly would be great to the 5800 series, and i3 in the low end. But I don't see the high end 21.5 matching the 27 that closely. Maybe a faster clocked i3
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Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but the quad cores are only available in the i5s and up, right? So do you think that the 21.5" models in the next refresh won't see any quad core upgrades?
 
The Core i5 750 is a quad core based on the 45 nm Lynnfield.

The Core i5 6xx line are dual core parts in 32 nm.
 
Eidorian said:
The Core i5 750 is a quad core based on the 45 nm Lynnfield.

The Core i5 6xx line are dual core parts in 32 nm.
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Got it. Thanks. Well I'm holding out for a 21.5" quad core, so I hope we see the former in the next 21.5", at least in the $1499 high end model.
 
Good call! In that case I could see i5 DualCore as a possibility.
I can't imagine Apple making the 21.5 a quadcore. I think we almost have a consumer/pro-sumer split, why would they blur the line and risk selling less w7s?
Eidorian said:
The Core i5 750 is a quad core based on the 45 nm Lynnfield.

The Core i5 6xx line are dual core parts in 32 nm.
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shanmugam said:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3+M+330+@+2.13GHz

looking at this graphic i3M 330 (macbook bound) easily beats 21.5" iMac E7600 CPU.

Once i3/i5 goes to MacBook and MacBookPro, they will be faster than 21.5" iMac desktop!!! ironic.

really apple needs to put the i5 750 into $1499 and up machines ...

$1199
21.5" iMac
Core i3 - 3.06Ghz
1TB HDD
4GB RAM
ATI 5670 256MB

$1499
21.5" iMac
Core i5 - 750 - 2.66GHz
4GB RAM
1TB HDD
ATI 5670 512MB

$1699
27" iMac
Core i5 - 750 - 2.66GHz
4GB RAM
1TB HDD
ATI 5670 512MB

$1999
27" iMac
Core i7 - 860 - 2.80GHz
4GB RAM
2TB HDD
ATI 5850 1GB
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Wow.I like that lineup. I if they do any thing like this I am going to buy another one. Sadly I don't think that a Quad i5 is going in any 21.5 mac.

I could see the high end i3 540 or low end dual core i5 650 as a upgrade in the 21.5's base. The dual i5 650 as the starting processor and the higher end 661 as the processor upgrade for the 1500 dollar 21.5. I doubt that the base will get a 1TB same as the 1500 imac, maybe 640GB or 750GB. I hope I am wrong though, and they do something along the lines that you posted.

The biggest bang for your buck is the i3 540. It looks like the base imac will be the biggest winner for the next refresh. Regardless.
 
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