Looks like the end of the road for mac pro

[filmak]

and you can add powerful external GPU boxes that connect via Thunderbolt

Unfortunately I'm afraid that this is not available yet, at least in a form of a proper functioning solution that is officially supported, perhaps in the future...

So it is upgradable just externally as Apple said

or it's upgradeable, but not in the "traditional" way we have been all following, till its launch in 2013 etc.

Anyway, imho, in present time the upgradeability of the GPU(s) is still a large question mark.

 

[apolloa]

Unfortunately I'm afraid that this is not available yet, at least in a form of a proper functioning solution that is officially supported, perhaps in the future...



or it's upgradeable, but not in the "traditional" way we have been all following, till its launch in 2013 etc.

Anyway, imho, in present time the upgradeability of the GPU(s) is still a large question mark.

According to this video you can

And this MacBook Pro video also shows it working

 

[handsome pete]

A combined one million sales a quarter is a niche market.

I never said it wasn't a niche market. Just that the trend of decreased desktop sales doesn't include the workstation segment.

According to this video you can

And this MacBook Pro video also shows it working

If I'm not mistaken, current eGPU solutions over TB2 come with a performance hit over the same card plugged into a PCIE slot. Also, you're on the hook for an external enclosure as well which jacks up the price significantly.

It's certainly probably the shape of things to come, but currently is not nearly as good of an option as the system it replaced.

 

[AppleDroid]

Would a Mini do the job?

Sure if they had 4-6 core models and a dedicated gfx card, which would make it as pricey as the Mac Pro.

 

[AppleDroid]

Funny: I do print/digital production and I've slowly become agnostic about screen quality. So long as it's calibrated to be near where it should then I know that whatever I see onscreen is only a guess until I run a proof. Until then all I'm really paying attention to are the numbers in Photoshop's info palette.

There are colors you don't see that make it into high-end prints, blues and greens especially. At the moment these variations in sRGB vs aRGB matter. That may change but right now it's a necessity.

You can still use any Apple product. Buy an external monitor to use as your main screen, and put your palettes and whatever else on the Apple monitor. It's what most of our designers do.

True but what's the point of buying an AIO if I don't use the screen? Having matching pairs is the best way to work, not one high-end matte screen + sRGB glossy.

 

[filmak]

According to this video you can

And this MacBook Pro video also shows it working

I think that all of these are just diy solutions.They may work and yes they give us hope for the future but they certainly are not " in a form of a proper functioning solution that is officially supported" and that's the reason they have limitations and half baked OS / drivers support. They work but also missing a lot in terms of functionality and easy setup. (I'm not even commenting about the "elegant" extra PSUs and the cable mess).

Imho all these may be good for hobbyist and gamers but for more serious work - commercial use - offices, are not an option, this kind of solutions, in present time, are an IT nightmare.

 

[zephonic]

Correction:

Oh no... the Mac Pro has been removed from one picture on the Mac Store website!!! Yes folks, Apple have leaked a major, top secret and controversial change to their product line by being too cheapskate to risk having to re-do one photoshop composite in a few months time.

...but it gets worse! The 13" MacBook Pro, the 11" MacBook Air and the 27" iMac are also missing from that photo, so are clearly for the chop, too, which is a bit of a shaker. However, I'm sure that people will be relieved to see the 13" Air will be with us for posterity...

Finally.

And it only took until page 5 of this thread for someone to point out this glaringly obvious fact.

Much wailing and gnashing of teeth here. The MacPro has been EOL'd since 2011. if we just keep on pining for the cMP and not buy the current one, it will eventually come to pass and the prescient ones here can thump their chests and boast about how they saw it coming.

 

[zephonic]

Apple partnering with a workstation hardware company would be the ideal solution. Have one dedicated builder of custom systems that support OSX. Even if it was HP or Dell, they make crap PCs, but their workstations are top notch. OSX certified HP Z800 series workstation would be pretty sweet!

When the IBM partnership was announced I wondered if this would be a viable scenario. It sounds good, but I don't think so.

 

[deconstruct60]

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True but what's the point of buying an AIO if I don't use the screen? Having matching pairs is the best way to work, not one high-end matte screen + sRGB glossy.

If going to have a two screen system anyway, one of those screens being in an AIO doesn't necessarily bad. Allocating a aRGB matte screen to email/palette/browser is a waste of resources. It doesn't particularly make a difference.

If the work needed to span two screens ( a large layout page on each screen) then yes, but if not what is all that extra gamut buying you on stuff that doesn't require it?

 

[deconstruct60]

When the IBM partnership was announced I wondered if this would be a viable scenario. It sounds good, but I don't think so.

IBM doesn't particularly make anything with an x86 processor in it anymore. ( there are some oddball x86 sidecars for some of the big iron models but no primary x86 CPU systems anymore. ). There are fundamentally no ARM based products either ( IBM is probably going to sell a decent amount of iPad Pros ). That is the fit between IBM and Apple. They don't overlap in physical products at all anymore.
So no.... IBM partnership isn't going to bring any new x86 products. IBM is a reseller and manager of Apple products; a very high end value added reseller.

P.S. As a major bulk buyer of Macs, IBM will probably get private, confidential(NDA) , briefings on upcoming Mac products and probably some opportunity to ask for features/specs that will be taken more seriously than random "If I was Steve/Tim I'd make a Mac do xxxxx" comments from random single system buyers. But dictate to Apple something they generally don't want to do... not going to happen.

 

[filmak]

According to this video you can

Sorry but unfortunately in the first video you posted the monitors are working without an eGPU solution.
?

 

[wsc9005]

so no new macs ...

 

[filmak]

This is usually an ithing event.

so, yes, no new macs yet

 

[koyoot]

If El Capitan goes live on 30th of September - there is nothing to show in October. So probably no more presentations this year.

 

[apolloa]

Sorry but unfortunately in the first video you posted the monitors are working without an eGPU solution.
?

Yes but he explains that he set it up and tested it with the external GPU box. Also the MacBook Pro has a few videos on the web showing it running these external boxes and I'm sure whatever the MacBook Pro can do, the Mac Pro can also do.

 

[AppleDroid]

If going to have a two screen system anyway, one of those screens being in an AIO doesn't necessarily bad. Allocating a aRGB matte screen to email/palette/browser is a waste of resources. It doesn't particularly make a difference.

If the work needed to span two screens ( a large layout page on each screen) then yes, but if not what is all that extra gamut buying you on stuff that doesn't require it?

I understand I'm in the minority but I've been involved with a couple clients doing high-end retouching for various media and having as many representable colors while I work in Lightroom/Photoshop is very handy. If I ever transition to say more web design and/or wedding and portrait photography buying a wider gamut display would be overkill for 75% of the work.

 

[dpny]

There are colors you don't see that make it into high-end prints, blues and greens especially. At the moment these variations in sRGB vs aRGB matter. That may change but right now it's a necessity.

I do high end printing for money. No monitor, no matter how well calibrated, will give you a truly accurate representation of the final product. That's why we have GRACol proofs.

True but what's the point of buying an AIO if I don't use the screen? Having matching pairs is the best way to work, not one high-end matte screen + sRGB glossy.

Just giving you options.

 

[dpny]

I never said it wasn't a niche market. Just that the trend of decreased desktop sales doesn't include the workstation segment.

I disagree. If all of the manufacturers mentioned in that article can manage just over a million a year together, that's a declining market. I remember when big commercial/financial printers would have several hundred PowerMacs in use at a time.

 

[sigmadog]

I do high end printing for money. No monitor, no matter how well calibrated, will give you a truly accurate representation of the final product. That's why we have GRACol proofs.

I do print graphic design for money. Been in the business for 30+ years. You are 100% correct. That's why we require physical proofs and why we do press checks.

 

[handsome pete]

I disagree. If all of the manufacturers mentioned in that article can manage just over a million a year together, that's a declining market. I remember when big commercial/financial printers would have several hundred PowerMacs in use at a time.

That's over a million in the quarter, not year. The article also points out that sales are not in a steady decline like other desktops.

As for your memory, that's anecdotal. Workstations haven't gone anywhere in my industry.

 

[td2243]

I never bought a nMP. Not because I wasn't interested, but because Apple didn't seem interested.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

If El Capitan goes live on 30th of September - there is nothing to show in October. So probably no more presentations this year.

GM Candidate for everyone now available. Who is going to be first to check if the web driver still works. @flowrider?

 

[lexR]

I have a 2009 cMP and in my honest opinion I think they didn't realise what kind of machine they were building, it's now 6 years on, it's got PCIe SSD's with good read write speeds, large expansion, bluray drive, 48gb ram, 12 core 3.46 CPU's, it can run El Capitan (when nVidia release drivers) but most importantly it has a optical drive addition PSU and a GTX Titan which means I 'could' put whatever GPU (limitation do apply with compatibility) dual Titan X's?? 24gb of GPU ram all wrapped up in one aluminium crafted body (with 8TB of bay mounted HDD). It's also now running Windows 10 which it just another great plus for the machine that's 6 years old, I have a 4K screen too.

My point is they are going to have to go some to create a machine like the 2009-2012 CMP if they are going to want me to swap.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

I have a 2009 cMP and in my honest opinion I think they didn't realise what kind of machine they were building, it's now 6 years on, it's got PCIe SSD's with good read write speeds, large expansion, bluray drive, 48gb ram, 12 core 3.46 CPU's, it can run El Capitan (when nVidia release drivers) but most importantly it has a optical drive addition PSU and a GTX Titan which means I 'could' put whatever GPU (limitation do apply with compatibility) dual Titan X's?? 24gb of GPU ram all wrapped up in one aluminium crafted body (with 8TB of bay mounted HDD). It's also now running Windows 10 which it just another great plus for the machine that's 6 years old, I have a 4K screen too.

My point is they are going to have to go some to create a machine like the 2009-2012 CMP if they are going to want me to swap.

Only if they make an official OSX for PCs.

 

[deconstruct60]

I understand I'm in the minority but I've been involved with a couple clients doing high-end retouching for various media and having as many representable colors while I work in Lightroom/Photoshop is very handy.

This issue is not whether there is some window or panel in Lightroom/Photoshop that could use aRGB. The issue is whether everything in the workspaces/screens/menus used over a work day need aRGB. Full screen mode on Lightroom/Photoshop tends toward neutralizing colors of the application menus/palettes/etc.... not increasing the color dynamic range. There are the pictures you are working on and then there is the other stuff that is open and running The screen of the AIO doesn't have to be the "primary work" screen in a two screen set up.

Similar if need to do TV specific color work. One TV color space reference monitor would do for the work and a "normal" computer monitor could have the non-content containing other elements of the programs running.

If I ever transition to say more web design and/or wedding and portrait photography buying a wider gamut display would be overkill for 75% of the work.

right tool for right job.