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Lots of HTML5 content not working on iPad
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True, but still.. is this why half the HTML5 content on the web still doesn't work on it? and some does?
Your definition of decent may be different than others.
Yes. Did you read about how watching video via Flash reduced battery life by 50% over native video? And were there any examples of how it affected other applications while running in the background?
Ah - perhaps Dave's "decent" remark is a definition in question. But when Apple markets the iPad as the BEST way to view the web - that's a bigger "leap" as far as marketing spin. If anything, Dave is underplaying the limitations people are responding too in his last post.
And maybe you didn't see this video of how Flash Video barely effects the battery at all. THIS IS PROOF.. not some person just SAYING that it drains the battery.
http://gizmodo.com/5479523/flash-player-101-and-the-nexus-ones-battery-life
No, that's because it's beta software, as I explained earlier. If you really have issues with it, file bug reports.
And see my post above, the simulator doesn't have hardware decode of video and hasn't fully implemented emulation of the hardware decode.
If you don't understand this, you honestly have no business having the BETA SDK
But it DOES play the video. And the BETA SDK goes to whoever paid for membership.. so what is your point? That was a crazy comment.
You are a serious piece of work.
The iPhone and iPad offload HTML5 rendering to the GPU. I've heard *ahem* that the simulator doesn't have full support yet for GPU emulation, hence issues with full HTML5 rendering.
If you paid attention to your paperwork, Apple recommends all new apps be tested on a hardware device for this reason.
Second, everything you are posting violates the terms of the NDA you agreed to by signing up for an account.
If you aren't aware of any of theses details, nor the fact that it is a beta SDK with certain features incomplete for various reasons, then I will reiterate that you have no business downloading the SDK. Moreover, you definitely should not be posting any details about the SDK in direct violation of the non-disclosure agreement to which you agreed.
Honestly, it is people like you who ruin it for developers who are making real software with the SDK, instead of downloading the beta and pissing and moaning about incomplete API's and hardware emulation.
you can go cry about all that to someone who cares... HTLM5 doesn't need GPU rendering to do half the stuff in webkit that CURRENTLY doesn't work on iPad.
So your point is moot! ... NEXT!
I think the iPad should have a flash option that you can turn on or off from the settings. Why not let us choose if we want to drain out battery fast or not?
Apple designed mobile safari's version of webkit to offload a lot of rendering (including HTML5) to the GPU. GPU *emulation* is incomplete in the iPad SDK.
Why is it incomplete? Because it is hard to write a 1:1 emulator in software for a hardware rendering and not worth the time in a BETA sdk.
Test your software on a hardware device to make sure it works, the simulator is for getting your software working first.
All other uses of the simulator are not supported.
Until these are found to be problems on the hardware itself there is nothing to discuss. Moreover, there is nothing to discuss because you are bound by a NDA *not* to discuss it. Why are you under NDA? So that morons like yourself don't go onto forums such as these complaining about incomplete implementations of the emulator, or API's that are not fully implemented.
Prone to hyperbole much?
rather than being pissed, I'm going to get "even". that means I simply won't buy a crippled iPad. sorry Apple lovers, but that's the best way for me to deal with a device that doesn't provide what I want--I just pass. I'm not at all happy that the iPad isn't the cool device I thought it was going to be.
That's one of the more sane approaches I've seen yet from a nay sayer. What a refreshing development.
Amen. Thank you for injecting realism.
The degree to which you get hung up on marketing copy is frankly bizarre. I don't recall Apple saying "the iPad does Flash" and in fact they've explicitly claimed to the contrary. And in any case "Best" is subjective whether it does Flash or not. Maybe some people place a higher priority on things like, oh I don't know...stability, smooth momentum based scrolling, pinch to zoom, or other features and capabilities than they do others? If you disagree, move on.
Precisely. Why so many get hung up on the words 'best' or 'magical' or 'revolutionary' as if they matter at all in our experience with the device is completely beyond me.
Oh, and Sam, before you respond by continuing to beat your "normal people won't care why a site doesn't work, they will just be mad at Apple/iPad" dead horse, let me simply say - most of the people will be extremely satisfied with the iPad most of the time. And that's more than enough for it to kick ass in the marketplace, and in daily use. If it doesn't work for you, then again, move on.
What are you - a traffic cop now? Isn't it time consuming enough producing movies
I'm not "hung up" on Apple's marketing and their great spin and word use. But I am in the Communications field and am a student of semantics. I never said normal people wouldn't love the iPad. Nor that the iPad isn't a kickass device.
People will care that some of the sites or functionality they expected aren't there. And if they know about it - I do think that some MAY decide to wait before buying or be more cautious. I don't think that overall sales will be hurt by lack of function/etc.
But to ignore the simple premise that some people do care is ignorant. And you are NOT ignorant.
Vimeo already has HTML5 video working perfectly fine on the iPhone, even though their HTML5 support is in beta and only about 3 weeks old! Did you ever think that they just might not have had a chance to test it on a device that doesn't exist yet, in order to tweak it to make it work? I'm not even sure if it detects the iPad browser as one that is supposed to support HTML5.
This is why they usually limit beta SDKs to professional developers, who aren't going to start forum threads about what does or doesn't work on a simulator for a currently nonexistent device.
Since there are developers on this thread I've got a dumb question. When you develop an app for the iPad, how do you transfer your program to the iPad hardware (when you get one) for testing (if this info is not part of the NDA). Simply a curiousity question.
I can't say about the iPad (no one has one yet anyway, obviously).
But for the iPhone or iPod Touch, XCode (Apple's main development environment) installs it for you over the regular dock cable. It allows you to debug it (peek at what's going on behind the scenes) while the app is running on the device. Once the app is installed, it also works fine when unplugged from XCode and the computer, too. I would assume the iPad will work the same way.
Not sure if this is what the poster of the flash comment meant but basically it's the iPad's fault that the HTML5 version of certain sites don't work the same as the desktop version. The last example of an HTML5 site that the OP posted for instance is just something that relies heavily on mouseovers which the iPad and iPhone both don't really support right now. The notion of a tap equaling a click works out fine, but what about content that requires you to click and drag, like a video scrubber? This is the reason that most HTML5 (h.264) video today opens in the iPhone Quicktime player rather than embedded in a page.
What the poster of the Flash comment meant (I think) was that HTML5 is not a solution to the "no flash" problem because there are still limitations in the iPad's touch interaction model or in the crafting of webpages primarily for keyboard and mouse interaction that HTML5 doesn't solve.
Now whether anyone was talking about Flash or not in teh first place is a different story...
So no flash and poor HTML5? I understand this isn't the real thing, just the simulator but Apple had better iron out these things if they can call the iPad the best way to surf the internet
It's almost as if HTML5 is some kind of new technology and web developers haven't figure out a way to make it work perfectly on a touch screen device they don't have yet. Oh wait...
If you don't think overall sales will be affected, why even bring it up? Of course there are always a percentage of potential users who find one or more functions they need/want missing from a product and decide not to buy it. In another thread, someone said that the lack of traditional Chinese input on the iPad is a deal breaker for them. We can't go around acknowledging every possible feature that may be a deal breaker for someone, somewhere, sometime. Nor can Apple or any other company build a device that has all possible features that everyone could ever want. They have to aim for the combination of features that hopefully will have the widest appeal. The interesting question, for me, is whether of not Apple has hit that target with the iPad. And we won't know the answer until the iPad hits the market and the sales figures are in. But there's some fun in speculating on the outcome beforehand. Why else would betting on sports be such a popular pasttime?
I think you're being a bit excessive with your tone with the guy. He's done nothing worse than most people do all across the Apple dev forums. He's also not even asking for Flash - he hasn't mentioned it once in any of his posts. He's just concerned about HTML5 development on the iPad browser, and I think that's fair to post about.
Because every average joe & mary will end up turning it on anyway, and will end up complaining to friends, and the Genius bar, about their crappy battery-life of just 1.5 hours when they play farmville.