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Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much.

To wit, nowhere in my post did I question your sanity. Nor did I criticize you for not liking the iPad. I did, however, take you to task for your reasoning or lack thereof. However, you appear to have adopted the position that there can be no reasonable disagreement with you.

Whine all you want. This future iPad owner will take you to task when if you say things that are illogical or untrue. Don't like it? Too bad.

I've read shakespeare too, my friend. however, there's no comparison between Gertrude and my feelings on the subject at hand.

u can take me to task over FACTS. Don't argue about MY OPINION.
 
I've been saying essentially the same thing for weeks now--that the lack of Flash is due to Apple not wanting to damage the itunes/app store revenue stream. It's not about battery life and CPU cycles. IT'S ABOUT MONEY!

They seem to be rather good at it, no? Make 10x what Dell do for similar revenue...
I think anyone who says words that seem to not be nuanced - e.g. saying "everyone" "everything", "solely" seem to lack a certain balance.

Money's part of it. I'd imagine Apple want to make money through making a decent product. They're perfectionists. They mess up, but don't we all.

It seems there are multiple reasons - a thread can argue the balance - but to say it's only one factor is missing the point.
 
They seem to be rather good at it, no? Make 10x what Dell do for similar revenue...
I think anyone who says words that seem to not be nuanced - e.g. saying "everyone" "everything", "solely" seem to lack a certain balance.

Money's part of it. I'd imagine Apple want to make money through making a decent product. They're perfectionists. They mess up, but don't we all.

It seems there are multiple reasons - a thread can argue the balance - but to say it's only one factor is missing the point.

You think Apple is "perfectionistic"? You GOTTA be kidding. go spend some time browsing the apple website support forums if that 's your idea of reality. OMG!!!
 
You think Apple is "perfectionistic"? You GOTTA be kidding. go spend some time browsing the apple website support forums if that 's your idea of reality. OMG!!!

To strive for perfection does not preclude screwing up. As the poster you quoted stated.
 
To strive for perfection does not preclude screwing up. As the poster you quoted stated.

I already know they screw up. what I don't know is that they are "perfectionists". what I DO know is they prefer form over function, which is not my cup of tea. Function always comes first for me.
 
I already know they screw up. what I don't know is that they are "perfectionists".

If you don't know, why did you mock t0mat0's opinion without any evidence to the contrary?

Perfection is one of those things that you can chase forever. Eventually, you have to ship the product.

what I DO know is they prefer form over function, which is not my cup of tea. Function always comes first for me.

Your are not a designer, are you? In most cases Apple is one of the best examples of form following function. That "form over function" claim is one of those overused claims that people throw out with no understanding of the concept.
 
If you don't know, why did you mock t0mat0's opinion without any evidence to the contrary?

Perfection is one of those things that you can chase forever. Eventually, you have to ship the product.



Your are not a designer, are you? In most cases Apple is one of the best examples of form following function. That "form over function" claim is one of those overused claims that people throw out with no understanding of the concept.

u missed the point. he was making the case that Apple is perfectionistic, to which I say "rubbish", given their track record. Apple loves to make things "simple" to the point where the first touch had no volume controls or speaker. that's not perfectionism, that's minimalism taking to the extreme and it shortchanges the consumer.
 
u missed the point. he was making the case that Apple is perfectionistic, to which I say "rubbish", given their track record. Apple loves to make things "simple" to the point where the first touch had no volume controls or speaker. that's not perfectionism, that's minimalism taking to the extreme and it shortchanges the consumer.

None of what you said has anything to do with perfectionism. One who is perfectionistic strives to create something that they consider perfect. Whether they ever achieve it or whether you agree with their vision has nothing to do with it.

Over 100 million people have bought an iPod without a speaker, so it doesn't seem like consumers have felt too shortchanged. The lack of volume controls on the first iPod touch likely had very little to do with any extreme minimalist philosophy that pervades the company as evidenced by the fact that the iPhone shipped earlier with that feature.
 
The lack of volume controls on the first iPod touch likely had very little to do with any extreme minimalist philosophy that pervades the company as evidenced by the fact that the iPhone shipped earlier with that feature.

and how did you arrive at that odd conclusion?? If I really need to trot out a laundry list of the minimalist features that Apple products are famous for, I feel like I'd be discussing this topic with someone too uninformed to make it a "fair fight". You think Apple doesn't design products with thinness, sleekness, and "sexiness" in mind, rather than consider function as the primary goal? WOW! I'm shocked that you could make such a statement, which flies in the face of what the public thinks of Apple's products.
 
Hey, the YouTube HTML5 Beta won't even work on Firefox yet. Not supported. Not supported on Camino either. And the iPad is new hardware, so what chance does it have?
 
and how did you arrive at that odd conclusion??

You quoted the evidence that I used to arrive at that conclusion.

If I really need to trot out a laundry list of the minimalist features that Apple products are famous for, I feel like I'd be discussing this topic with someone too uninformed to make it a "fair fight". You think Apple doesn't design products with thinness, sleekness, and "sexiness" in mind, rather than consider function as the primary goal? WOW! I'm shocked that you could make such a statement, which flies in the face of what the public thinks of Apple's products.

You seem to think that thinness and sleekness do not address the function of the device. Portability is a function. How it feels in your hand addresses function. Minimalism is not ignoring function at the expense of form. It is about optimizing form to follow the function.

Hey, the YouTube HTML5 Beta won't even work on Firefox yet. Not supported. Not supported on Camino either. And the iPad is new hardware, so what chance does it have?

Mozilla does not support H.264 through the HTML5 video tag. Only some open source codec. Safari and Google Chrome do.
 
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