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With all due respect, I have shared exactly why I don't believe security and repairability are necessarily trade offs with regards to this particularly issue,

You have.

and to share again briefly why this is the case, I'll present the Mac Studio and the Mac Pro. Both of which allow SSDs to be replaced (in the Mac Studio's case, only with the exact same configuration, but in the Mac Pro's case, they will even sell you upgrade kits). Apple allows you to use Apple Configurator to re-pair the new storage modules to the device (which allows the device to recognize the new storage modules and to be able to use standard hardware encryption and everything else that goes along with it).

These are on the most expensive devices they sell, and these are the devices that professionals (and by extension, some of the users with the highest profile use cases who will often need security the most) are going to use. Let me ask a question: Do you think Apple would cut corners on security for the most expensive and most professional devices that they sell? If not, then why would it then be an automatic inherent trade off between security and repairability, in which case improving repairability must be at the expense of better security?

If these two things are mutually exclusive, then why has Apple has given the worst security to the Mac Pro and the Mac Studio, where they do allow these SSDs to be repaired or replaced (and where professional users are going to need security the most)?

My original point about not meeting your own stated standard still stands.

You believe security and repairability don’t represent tradeoffs…but you don’t know they are not tradeoffs. That means you are not speaking only to “the facts themselves”—you don’t have the facts. What you have, instead, is speculation.

All of your questions carry the implication that Apple is limiting repair capability for non-technical, design, and/or security based reasons—which itself is speculation about Apple’s intentions for limiting repair capability.

Is it fine for you to speculate? Of course!

…but then you can’t dismiss every other counterargument on the basis of, “lets only talk about facts, speculation of intentions is is a diversion and distraction from the facts”.
 
My original point about not meeting your own stated standard still stands.

You believe security and repairability don’t represent tradeoffs…but you don’t know they are not tradeoffs. That means you are not speaking only to “the facts themselves”—you don’t have the facts. What you have, instead, is speculation.

All of your questions carry the implication that Apple is limiting repair capability for non-technical, design, and/or security based reasons—which itself is speculation about Apple’s intentions for limiting repair capability.

Is it fine for you to speculate? Of course!

…but then you can’t dismiss every other counterargument on the basis of, “lets only talk about facts, speculation of intentions is is a diversion and distraction from the facts”.
So you have speculated that it is a trade off between security and repairability. In that case, Apple themselves has made that trade off to the detriment of better security on the Mac Pro (the most expensive Mac that they sell), where they have offered user replaceable and upgradable SSDs.
 
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To be honest, this guy actually is reason why I sold my 2k19 MBP in 2020 and never ever thought about MacBook anymore. In my honest opinion, it was one of the best decisions I've made in many years…
 
This is what makes it even more surprising that A2141 SSDs drop at the rate that they do. I would be curious to see what the temperature of those NANDs were on that machine. I might check with my thermal camera when I am at the office again.

When you use the thermal camera, remember that what you’re seeing isn’t representative of a closed system. The mistake you made when you went off about Apple putting in a “placebo” fan just to make noise is forgetting that the case is a fundamental part of the ducting so removing it disrupts air and heat flow.

I still have no statistics on how often the A2141s "drop". I doubt anyone does but Apple. Leaving aside that I don't think it's the SSD that's failing in the units you've showed so far (which isn't to say the SSD may not have been damaged by whatever did fail), saying that half the units you see have bad SSDs doesn't mean they're failing at an unusual rate. The fraction of units you see isn't an indication-- it can also mean that there are fewer types of other failures or that you're seeing more units because people are more aware of your shop.

Seeing tiny solder balls near a failed or shorted capacitor is common. It's a hint I look for because very often it's next to something that is either strained or dead.

Sometimes, those solder balls are just there because of bad manufacturing and do not indicate a failure. it has to be taken in context with the rest; this is a hint that by itself, isolated, isn't proof of something. When we are trying to figure out what happened, or what died, we usually follow clues because the board isn't going to tell you what is wrong.

It’s worth studying what causes solder balls. You have the cause and effect reversed. The solder balls weren't caused by the failure, there's no way to determine the root failure from the video but it's possible that the balls caused the failure by coming loose and bridging somewhere they shouldn’t be. Or you may just find that they’re coincident with the failure because they’re a sign that the reflow process didn’t meet quality guidelines.

There’s no “stress” or “tension” that will cause them to form.

When I remove the inductor that sits inbetween the TPS62180 and the NANDs, it is going to be one of the capacitors, or the NAND. When you inject voltage and no capacitors are warm, it's the NAND.

You didn't check temperature or inject a voltage except whatever voltage your ohmmeter operates at which won’t warm anything up.

My point is just that we don't see the problem reduced to a single variable indicating the NAND shorted and particularly nothing indicated that a NAND short is the root cause of the failure. The Macbook wasn't working when you started and it wasn't working when you finished. If you pulled a corpse into the lab and replaced the heart, the lungs and the brain and they don't wake up, you can't just say "it was kidney failure that did them in".

The fact that this firmware sits on the NAND you are writing to everyday that will stop functioning if it dies is the valid detail. This is senseless nitpicking but more importantly, proving of the point that you end up with a machine that is functionally useless if the NAND dies.

It's not nitpicking-- it's a link in the chain of arguments you make to explain why the SSDs aren't just "engineered in the worst way possible", but that it's even "worse than [we] thought". More than 100,000 people got that message. Clearing up the details is the right thing to do.

And it's not as simple as whether the machine is useless if the NAND dies-- you're continually making the point that the NAND is a wear part. And it is-- but does it "die" when it reaches its erase limit and leave the machine functionally useless, or does is simply stop accepting new writes to the user data partition?

Do you know? I don't. It's not self evident that it would prevent boot, and it's such a rare event that I've never seen it documented.

Semi true. A modular SSD doesn't have all the NAND rails created by the motherboard, the SSD is powered by PP3V3_S0. It doesn't have all of the subrails made by the main motherboard.

I've been looking for a clear shot of that module but can't seem to find one. You might be right though-- the Studio NAND module does have what looks like a shielded inductor and some other chips I can't identify. It could be filtering or PCIe conditioning, or it could be a step down converter. For all the talk those little modules have gotten, I'm surprised how hard it is to find a clear picture of one.

But let's say that wasn't true - this would be a chicken & the egg situation, and a fun one!

If the failure mode is that the NAND dies, the SSD is shorted, this is fixable. You'd unplug the SSD, plug in a new one, and you're good - because any subrails if they were necessary are being created on the SSD, not the main logic board. A modular SSD would be beneficial here only if

a) The PSU is made in a way that it can turn off QUICKLY enough after detecting a short that it doesn't die in a nasty fashion when given a sudden extreme load(aka sending input voltage straight to output)

b) The user removes the faulty component before the PSU DOES die from trying to send unlimited power into a shorted-to-ground output.

If the failure mode is that the NAND PSU died, sent 12v to the NANDs, and killed them... well, now you're screwed regardless of whether your SSD is modular. Your SSD will expect 3v and get 12v. Ouch! A modular SSD would NOT be beneficial here.

So which did it? The NAND shorted and killed the power supply, or the power supply died and killed(then shorted) the NAND? That's a question we don't get an answer to here :(

I agree with most of this. The other detail you're overlooking though is that if the SSD fails catastrophically due to a power supply problem it impacts whatever is connected to its data pins as well: in this case the SoC at the heart of the system.

It's just hard to have a catastrophic failure in a system this miniaturized and complex without it having a fairly large blast radius. This is part of the reason most system repair has moved toward swapping boards rather than parts.

I agree that people should back up their data.

I also think that it sucks that this machine is designed in a way where, if the main SSD dies,
a) You cannot replace it
b) You cannot boot off an external/turn it on & have it POST properly

I read those points and think, "yeah, but that's true about the SoC, the RAM, all the power supplies, the old BIOS chips, and most of the rest of the system."

You are coupling two conditions in sequence:
1) if you wear out your NAND it will "die"
2) if it "dies", you can't boot externally

This is why it's important to understand the behavior of an Apple SSD at the end of its program/erase life. The argument you appear to be making is that overusing it will short it to ground-- I don't know with complete confidence that it's wrong, but I see no evidence that it is true and it doesn't make sense to me logically.

If it doesn't short out, does it lock out reads in the boot partition when the user data partition reaches end of life. Again, I see no evidence either way, and it may, but I don't yet see a reason that it must.

What I do see is a ton of evidence that Apple designed these systems very carefully as I tried to document in the post you're quoting. So while it's perhaps not the way you'd like it to be engineered, it certainly is not engineered in the worst way possible. There are plenty of worse ways it could be done.
 
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If you present an argument, before you get to the merit of the argument itself, you need to qualify why the argument is brought to the table. You see to claim a rational argument, it has to be free of bias and that is not the case when the arguer stands to gain from one outcome of the argument.
I agree with most of what you've said in this thread, but I don't agree with this. An argument stands independent of the arguer. Whether someone stands to gain from something doesn't change whether it's fundamentally true or not. The basis of many judicial systems is that having an interest in the outcome is the best way to ensure a thorough examination of the facts.

Where that changes is when the argument is an appeal to authority: the arguer becomes the argument. If a fact or opinion is supported by evidence or a logical analysis, you examine the evidence or the logic. If it is supported by someone's authority-- fame, position, education, experience-- you examine that authority.

I think this is basically what you meant, but I think it's an important distinction to make. The person making the argument isn't relevant to the argument itself-- unless that person essentially is the argument.
 
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I am not an engineer, I am not a designer. I'm a repair person. I wish I could say "XYZ in the ABC is why this product has a higher failure rate, and why it is bad design." I can't say that, and I'm not going to try to pull something out of my ass to explain why it is the case.

What you did say though is:

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And then went on to throw a bunch of specious reasons together for why it has a high failure rate and why it is a bad design.

If you’re not an engineer, then I’m not sure why you get your back up when people point that out. There’s nothing wrong or invalidating about not being a trained engineer, and it frankly doesn’t matter past your mid-twenties. All an engineering degree means is you sat in a classroom for a concentrated exposure to engineering. If you’re curious and motivated you can learn all that stuff on your own.

At what point can you look at your post and be honest with yourself that this is an insane level of detail to put into character assassination?

For someone who talks with so much certainty and irreverence online, you're quick to play victim...

Look, it's not character assassination. I don't go around finding random repair shops to study and criticize. In this case, you are claiming expertise in repair, you're asking us to trust your conclusions based on that expertise, and you claim to be putting the good of the customer above all else. That's simply not what I see.

I saw it, I raised it. For all your talk about customer focus, you're not taking care of the equipment they entrust to you by doing the most basic of things. Even that might get swept under a caveat emptor, but you're also professing to teach-- so you're propagating these bad habits to others. Don’t. Teaching a joy in repair and electronics is a service, don’t undermine it with the disservice of teaching bad technique and a disregard for long established procedures.

I suggest you read up on what standard static control practices are and the consequences of not following them. Then I'm happy to keep arguing it if you'd like. Or leave it. Your choice.


In terms of static, I regularly touch a grounded object near my desk while working. No, I do not wear an ESD strap and honestly if that's the point we're at now to nitpick at criticisms of my workmanship... I give up.

The items going into a plastic bags are screws and screwcovers. Are you going to honestly tell me that putting screws into a metal baggie is something you are going to complain about?

Not screws and not a metal baggie.

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And you're missing the whole point. Unless that's a Ziploc brand Klein bottle it has an inside and an outside. If you put screws inside a balloon and rub it against your hair it'll still stick to the wall. Have you thought about why?

Proper grounding is not nitpicking. There is a reason any company that is serious about electronics invests so much money into rework areas that nobody ever sees. It’s not for show, or any kind of virtue signaling, it’s actual science.


The metal screws go on a magnet, the magnet goes onto the hinge.

I don't see a magnet, and I don't see a hinge. You can hear the individual pieces fall onto the board.

Do you even understand the point I was making there? Explain it in you own words. I want to see.

I ignored the point you were making because it was irrelevant to what I was saying and I think you figured out you were wrong along the way. When you're surprised to see the solder bridge and say "This chip may simply need reballing.", you stop short of saying it directly but it sounds like you were surprised to find a solder bridge under the part, it hadn't occurred to you that you created the bridge when you pulled the part as the solder was cooling, and you think you can just clear the bridge, reball the part and reinstall it.

Did you understand the point I was making? You have an example right in front of you of how solder can bridge under a BGA and your solution is to load the pads up with way too much solder, flood the area with flux so the solder flows easily, and then putting a BGA which also has yet more solder on its pads, onto that heap so you now have two convex grids forcing the part to try to balance precariously or more likely slip between grids then you blindly heat it because you can't see under the part and hope that none of that solder secretly bridged while also hoping that every pad has an equal amount so they all make contact.

Again, it is simply bad technique and likely to cause problems for you and anyone learning it from you.

This is for a data line - more importantly, the chip going on is expecting 3.3, and it is receiving 1.8. The opposite would be an issue. I think you misunderstand big time here, but let's be real, that's been what you've done from the beginning. You don't understand any of these issues, the same way you fumbled the discussion on error 53 with a complete lack of awareness of what it actually was. You're making it up as you go. Anything to get a jab in.

So you don't understand CMOS logic levels even when they're written down for you. And you have two parts with no spec other than the pin names and think that fully defines the part. You install the wrong part on the pad and think it’s going to magically be fixed by “programming”. But somehow I’m the one making it up as I go along… Ok. Explain to me the issue I'm not seeing.

And do you really want to go back over the Error 53 discussion? We can if you really, really, want to... Just pick it up where you decided to leave it off. If you can’t address the last points in the conversation, don’t bring it back as a zombie thinking you’re right.

And yes, I do blame Apple for that chip being unavailable. There are written records of Renesas saying they cannot sell this chip to us because who they supply it to, doesn't want them to.

The written records don't add any weight to the story... Apple paid for the custom part, they control its distribution. Nobody’s surprised by that. Renesas is essentially a foundry in this relationship.

As far as why Apple doesn't want it distributed, it's quite likely that they think their proprietary parts give them a competitive advantage and/or don't expect or don't want people playing with their circuit boards at the component level. That's just not how things are done anymore. I know you enjoy it, and I agree it's fun for people to learn how things are put together, but from a business perspective it doesn't make sense to spend time doing repair at the component level when you can't trust the results.

These must be flicked off, removed, and then the board thoroughly looked through after an ultrasonic cleaning to ensure they are OUT of there. Why would you leave them there? Why would you leave solder balls that can be flicked loose with minimal effort on a customer device? That's insane. Get that **** off of there so it doesn't wind up coming dislodged and shorting something down the line if the machine is on.

Again, you're missing the point. Removing the solder balls isn't the problem. The problem is flicking them around the board where they can get lodged between and under things. Remove them with a hot iron, or an iron and wick. Not by jabbing them loose with tweezers or a multimeter probe.

My agenda is to make up a problem for a video that gets 90,000 views. At the expense of the credibility of my business, my livelihood, and my personal time.

I will leave other people to judge what they think of this.

You don't get 90,000 views. You're closing in on half a billion total views at a run rate that looks to be north of 3,000,000 views a month by issuing a steady stream of provocative content like this. By steady stream, a rough count suggests about 25 videos a month averaging maybe 15 or 20 minutes each coming out to roughly 10 hours a month of what looks like largely unscripted content. You have 1.8M subscribers versus the 1.1M members here at MacRumors. An unscientific sampling indicates most people are watching your videos to see rants like this, not to watch your repair technique. You monetize the videos, take paid comments while you create them, sell merch and have affiliate links for everything from your microphone to your comfy chair. As you point out, a significant amount of your repair traffic finds you through your videos though all this suggests that it’s the repair business that lends an air of credibility to the channel, not the other way around

So driving agendas like these as brashly as possible drive your business and livelihood. That’s fine, and in itself that doesn’t invalidate your statements, but it doesn’t validate them either.
 
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Define "serviceable" from an engineering perspective. It's quite difficult to nail that one down. Is changing the logic board serviceable? Is swapping the NAND chips serviceable? Undefined.

The whole right-to-repair legislation is quite stupid in this respect. All it does is let manufacturers get away with short warranties still and pass the costs down to customer to throw at the repair industry. Probably why iFixit and Rossman are happy.

Make the manufacturers supply a 5 year warranty and mandatory buy-back at material costs for recycling afterwards. Watch things get suddenly get orders of magnitude more reliable and more recyclable overnight. Forget repair!
This is part of why I don’t generally buy AppleCare…. I expect what I buy to be reliable, and if it shows itself to be less reliable than the alternative I’ll look to the alternative. Push for better warrantees and tax ewaste. Attack the problem you want to solve. Don’t have government make technical decisions, that just leads to a drag on improvements.
 
This is part of why I don’t generally buy AppleCare…. I expect what I buy to be reliable, and if it shows itself to be less reliable than the alternative I’ll look to the alternative. Push for better warrantees and tax ewaste. Attack the problem you want to solve. Don’t have government make technical decisions, that just leads to a drag on improvements.
I buy AppleCare because I want them to fluff my balls when something goes wrong. And they do that.
 
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apple is pretty much a disgrace compare a Mac mini to a lenovo m70q

you can install the cpu from a g7400t to an i9-12900t
you can install 8gb to 32gb ram
you can install a 4tb ssd sata
you can install a 4tb nvme ssd

the real key is you can be not in the cloud and easy peasy back up gear. all in one box.

they have the models that allow discrete gpus the p3 tiny is a great piece of gear.

starts with intel I-3 13100t up to intel I-9 13900t
8gb to 64gb ram
a nvidia t1000 8gb discrete gpu
one 512gb nvme ssd two 4tb nvme ssds
multiple psu choices

all customer installable.

Sooner or later this is going to hurt apple just like they now use a c-usb cable.
 
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"Handled accordingly to me means, if you paid $3k for a device with a known design flaw, the manufacturer fixes it for free for a period of time way longer than 1 year post-purchase, irrespective of you buying Applecare."

Sort of like how automobiles have different-length warranties on different components, e.g., a 5 year, 40K mile warranty on the vehicle, but a 10 year, 100K mile warranty on the transmission.
Like this, but, if a vehicle is found to have a specific defect that is bad enough, it is covered under a recall program even if you are outside the 100k mile mark. Many of the repairs I do, I feel good about - but the ones where I am fixing what Apple should be fixing for their customer for free, I do not. There is one playlist on my channel going over design defects. Those ones, should be Apple fixing.


Not screws and not a metal baggie.
I put an SSD inside of a bag prior to sitting it down flat in a device that sat in a desk prior to being put in a slot on a shelf dedicated for it.

Here's the problem; false equivalence. You are comparing soldering 4 year old NANDs with 50 terabytes of write cycles onto a customer's board with putting that SSD, inside of that bag.

This level of false equivalence makes your post absurd. You actually think the two are within the realm of comparison - and you're thirsty enough for a gotcha to post that false equivalence to a public forum & sign your name to it. This is false equivalence along the lines of comparing stabbing someone to tripping over their foot, and saying "you hurt them in both cases, so clearly it's the same." It's the dune meme quote, Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. You have done violence to him, consumed his energy.

If that's where we're at here, I don't think I have much chance of getting you to understand my perspective.

We do treat customer devices with respect - I do repairs I expect to outlast the lifetime of my business - and this shows in our customer service record, online review record, and the work that we do, that existed and can be seen on review sites via archive.org from before the first video was uploaded to the company youtube channel. We maintain that reputation that we've worked for, for over 12 years - and part of why we have that reputation is that we make a conscious decision to not perform repairs that we have reason to believe will not last. That includes soldering NANDs with high write cycle counts onto customer PCBs.

I don't see a magnet, and I don't see a hinge. You can hear the individual pieces fall onto the board.
Jesus christ. you can't even tell that the magnet went onto the empty fan section without touching the board.

Again, either you are above & beyond ignorant, or you know it never touched the board but are making things up as a poorly veiled attempt at character assassination. I can't tell. Prior to going into a slot, the magnet is placed onto a hinge. Prior to me putting it on the hinge, I placed the magnet in the machine... that is not moving... on a stationary flat desk.

Look at the shape of an A2141 or A1990 motherboard - then look at where I placed the magnet. That is where the fan would go in the machine, if it were installed. That magnet never touched the board.

But that doesn't matter. You don't care about this, nor do you care about the truth. You care about winning. I've extended you every possible olive branch, and every possible bit of courtesy & understanding. You have extended every possible nitpick & gotcha, many based on false pretenses or logical fallacies.

For someone who talks with so much certainty and irreverence online, you're quick to play victim...
Your posts throughout this thread have been direct insults at worst, passive aggressive jabs at best. Read your own posts; I'm not a victim, but that doesn't mean you engage in good faith either.

You claim it's virtue signalling for me to say I do not use used NANDs because I put an SSD in a bag. You are completely ignorant of what will happen in reality if we were to use 50 TB write cycle A2141 NANDs in 1000 repairs vs. that SSD being put in that bag 1000 times. One will result in many customers coming back for warranty service, and one will not. It's fine that you don't know that, because you don't do this for a living. You don't repair. You don't talk to other repair shops that repair.

So you don't understand CMOS logic levels even when they're written down for you. And you have two parts with no spec other than the pin names and think that fully defines the part. You install the wrong part on the pad and think it’s going to magically be fixed by “programming”. But somehow I’m the one making it up as I go along… Ok. Explain to me the issue I'm not seeing.
I understand it fine and mention the differences. You assume I do not understand because it supports your narrative.

If you’re not an engineer, then I’m not sure why you get your back up when people point that out. There’s nothing wrong or invalidating about not being a trained engineer, and it frankly doesn’t matter past your mid-twenties. All an engineering degree means is you sat in a classroom for a concentrated exposure to engineering. If you’re curious and motivated you can learn all that stuff on your own.
I do not need to be an engineer to realize a machine that regularly sends 12v to a device that operates below 3v, that holds your data, and all the necessary information for POSTing is bad engineering. This is like that parenting fallacy that you must be a parent to point out that someone who beats their children is a bad parent.

Did you understand the point I was making? You have an example right in front of you of how solder can bridge under a BGA and your solution is to load the pads up with way too much solder, flood the area with flux so the solder flows easily,
No because it's nonsensical - the amount of solder added by me is minimal, and is often a better alternative to risking pulling a pad via wicking, especially on the newer boards where the pads pull easier. If this were a regular concern every ISL9239 or LP8550 soldered on using this method would have bridges, and they don't. Further, the amount of flux here has nothing to do with solder's inclination to flow to the pad next to it.

Again, you're missing the point. Removing the solder balls isn't the problem. The problem is flicking them around the board where they can get lodged between and under things. Remove them with a hot iron, or an iron and wick. Not by jabbing them loose with tweezers or a multimeter probe.
So you think applying heat to the board unnecessarily makes more sense than flicking it loose and guiding it off the board manually? and you're lecturing me about best practices? I jab them lose and then remove them from the board. You assuming they just get left there is another bad faith argument. Again, you're going for cheap nitpicks to score cheap points.

And do you really want to go back over the Error 53 discussion? We can if you really, really, want to... Just pick it up where you decided to leave it off. If you can’t address the last points in the conversation, don’t bring it back as a zombie thinking you’re right.
You demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding and could never sufficiently answer my questions I proposed to you. It isn't a zombie, it is here for anyone to read. It demonstrates that while you are good at writing essays, you don't understand the concept.

You don't get 90,000 views. You're closing in on half a billion total views at a run rate that looks to be north of 3,000,000 views a month by issuing a steady stream of provocative content like this. By steady stream, a rough count suggests about 25 videos a month averaging maybe 15 or 20 minutes each coming out to roughly 10 hours a month of what looks like largely unscripted content. You have 1.8M subscribers versus the 1.1M members here at MacRumors. An unscientific sampling indicates most people are watching your videos to see rants like this, not to watch your repair technique. You monetize the videos, take paid comments while you create them, sell merch and have affiliate links for everything from your microphone to your comfy chair. As you point out, a significant amount of your repair traffic finds you through your videos though all this suggests that it’s the repair business that lends an air of credibility to the channel, not the other way around

That video made it to about 90k views at the time of my post. I was referring to the video regarding the NAND failure, not the entirety of the channel, because the entirety of the channel is not about one NAND flaw. This is disingenuous trolling.

You are either completely disconnected from reality to make this comparison, or just on some very well done trolling. Honestly, the point at which every post included clear cut insults was the point at which I should've muted you.
 
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So you have speculated that it is a trade off between security and repairability. In that case, Apple themselves has made that trade off to the detriment of better security on the Mac Pro (the most expensive Mac that they sell), where they have offered user replaceable and upgradable SSDs.
Except they haven’t. Technician replaceable raw modules that still need to be paired via Apple Configurator is not what I’d call “user replaceable”.
 
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In terms of analogkid's 16 page wall of text, you caught me. I put an SSD inside of a bag prior to sitting it down flat in a device that sat in a desk prior to being put in a slot on a shelf dedicated for it, and nothing else. That's totally comparable to replacing a customer's NAND with a used, wear part that has 50 terabytes of write cycles and calling it a repair.

You are either completely disconnected from reality to make this comparison, or just a troll with nothing better to do with their time than write walls of text without context or understanding of the industry or processes you're discussing.

I'm going to have to agree, AnalogKid is being totally bad faith and obstinate in order to win points and troll.
 
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Except they haven’t. Technician replaceable raw modules that still need to be paired via Apple Configurator is not what I’d call “user replaceable”.
And see, that's fine as far as I'm concerned. The point I'm making is that there is no reason that soldering the SSDs to the board is necessary in order to prevent significant trade offs from being made for security. If those trade offs do in fact exist, Apple themselves has determined that they are okay to make on their most expensive professional machines.
 
And see, that's fine as far as I'm concerned. The point I'm making is that there is no reason that soldering the SSDs to the board is necessary in order to prevent significant trade offs from being made for security. If those trade offs do in fact exist, Apple themselves has determined that they are okay to make on their most expensive professional machines.
Security is just one of the reasons. DIMMS do really take up a ton of space. So much so that a new slot has been designed to address the problem and will actually replace the SO-DIMM in 2024.

 
apple is pretty much a disgrace compare a Mac mini to a lenovo m70q

you can install the cpu from a g7400t to an i9-12900t
you can install 8gb to 32gb ram
you can install a 4tb ssd sata
you can install a 4tb nvme ssd

the real key is you can be not in the cloud and easy peasy back up gear. all in one box.

they have the models that allow discrete gpus the p3 tiny is a great piece of gear.

starts with intel I-3 13100t up to intel I-9 13900t
8gb to 64gb ram
a nvidia t1000 8gb discrete gpu
one 512gb nvme ssd two 4tb nvme ssds
multiple psu choices

all customer installable.

Sooner or later this is going to hurt apple just like they now use a c-usb cable.

Having dealt with a lot of Lenovo dekstop crap over the last few years, no thanks. The M70Q would only be suited to light duty work and AFAIK they dropped the higher end CPUs from them on the gen 4 because it seriously affects their reliability. Also have you ever tried ordering parts from Digital River from Europe? Nightmare. Takes weeks and sometimes doesn't even arrive and about 20% of batteries don't even work. They don't even respond to you so you have to charge back your credit card. My mother has a spare toilet full of Lenovo desktops she's killed as well o_O

To add insult to injury I just spent half the afternoon trying to work out why the hell Lenovo's USB recovery image tool craps out writing partitions to a USB stick so I can unhose a T14 gen 3 on which windows snuffed it.
 
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I put an SSD inside of a bag prior to sitting it down flat in a device that sat in a desk prior to being put in a slot on a shelf dedicated for it, and nothing else. That's totally comparable to replacing a customer's NAND with a used, wear part that has 50 terabytes of write cycles and calling it a repair.

No, it's not comparable. It's worse... Among the reasons why is that you'd probably disclose that you installed a used part but when those latent ESD failures happen in the future the customers won't know where the blame lies.

My point, again, is that you don't want to give the customer worn parts because you want to give them a reliable product at the end. Your ESD practices are wearing parts in that laptop that weren't even in need of repair. Just because you don't have a software tool that reports that wear level doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Which itself originally was a reference to my earlier point that repairability and reliability are often at odds with each other. This was just an example of that.

You've provided no support for a different view and simply call me one of ignorant or a troll, while complaining that my response to your f-bomb laden videos is somehow "barbed". I don't think you're intentionally harming people's equipment, all of your responses indicate that you simply don't understand the potential damage you're doing-- but you're also unwilling to think about it.

I do apologize for the length, but it's generally the result of spending a fair amount of time reviewing your comments, reviewing your videos, and providing support for my responses when I could just as easily have summarized it thusly:
You are either completely disconnected from reality to make this comparison, or just on some very well done trolling.

I commented to someone else in this thread that what I see in your videos makes me uncomfortable about how you handle customer equipment. Is it trolling to comment on videos you post publicly claiming to be instructional? Your response was to call it character assassination, and you only put screws in plastic bags. Was it trolling to point you to the part of the video I was referring to? Is it trolling to link you to a detailed discussion of ESD causes and mitigations? Is it trolling to document the low voltage CMOS logic levels when explaining that swapping unknown parts is likely to do more harm that good?

You keep saying things that are wrong and I keep replying in detail. Seriously, where's the trolling in any of that?

You claim it's virtue signalling for me to say I do not use used NANDs because I put an SSD in a bag.
Please quote where I said that.

That video made it to about 90k views at the time of my post. I was referring to the video regarding the NAND failure, not the entirety of the channel, because the entirety of the channel is not about one NAND flaw, you disingenuous troll.

You brought up the view count argument, not me. What's disingenuous is to act like that video stands alone.

you completely misunderstood error 53

It's kind of hilarious that you keep saying you're tired of discussing error 53, but yet keep raising error 53...

So tell me, and I'll link you back to the conversation, what did I say that was wrong.
 
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To be honest, this guy actually is reason why I sold my 2k19 MBP in 2020 and never ever thought about MacBook anymore. In my honest opinion, it was one of the best decisions I've made in many years…
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I buy AppleCare because I want them to fluff my balls when something goes wrong. And they do that.
Or, they don't. I've attempted to do battery replacements with and without AppleCare+ and, even when attempting to pay for the privilege, Apple has denied battery replacements to me because they are slightly above 80%. Only after escalating it did they go ahead.

Apple's bottom line is to get you to buy a new device. That is where the true money lies for them.

Why else would they deny this repair? Especially when I am willing to pay for it?
 
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