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it limits the lifespan of the entire machine to its fastest wearing component. When pressed Apple gave the excuse that it was required for the highest speed performance, though that was slower than plenty of non-soldiered drives outside the PR bubble.

The fastest-wearing component is the battery by a huge margin and then the RAM and then the LCD backlight. I've got an SSD taken out from a 2011 MacBook Air that had RAM failures – now the SSD is in a USB 3 housing and still works fine at 70% health (as per DriveDX).

So, I'd still vote for easy-enough (and cheap-enough) replacement batteries than SSD.
 
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The SSD failing is not the issue, a board-level component is, rendering the data inaccessible. If it was separate it could be popped into an external enclosure and backed up, just like the 2015 Macs.
Apple has a variety of reasons I am sure. I doubt it is inherently driven by profit, but the stars align so it works well.

I would guess the primary driver is security and privacy. Macs now encrypt the drive to protect user data. A portion of the encryption key is pulled from the Apple SoC. This ensures the data can’t be read outside of that Mac. Protecting your data if the Mac is lost, stolen, recycled, repaired, etc.

The back door profit win is it may motivate the buyer to get a bigger drive upfront. But I don’t see it motivating brand loyalty if it were a common failure point.
 
leman, bold claims. Only minority? Checkout mac market share with current apple policy. But i also don't want to say who is minority here, since i don't have any stats. Maybe you have?
Modular components e-waste is worse than full motherboard / laptop in trash? I don't think so. Yes, there is additional cost in ~0.50 cents for M2 slot, good thing to pay for me, if it saves world from another laptop in dump.

You missed point about privacy. What does soldered ssd solve here, if there is data encryption? There is can be other pros in soldered ssd, like speed or consumption, but this need to be proved with other laptop comparisons, if you want to show facts.

Apple extended warranty does not cover all things, are you living in parallel universe, or work on Apple support? Maybe you want to check this thread then, as tiny example https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252794122

And i'm also don't know, how realistic is component-level repair today. How much effort it needs instead of swapping ssd in slot, how much it cost, how many things will be moved to trash after such repair, and then be fired or dumped anyway. Apple does not repair motherboards and recycle it instead. Maybe we already living in magical world, where motherboard recycling is easier and cheaper than ssd replace with component recycling. Without context, this sound more like a dream, while other people can save money and worked devices with tiny slot already.

Btw, Apple recently moved ports from being soldered to motherboard. Now you guys are unsecure to ports hijacking, be aware! =)
 
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He goes into M1/2 macs using NANDs that are different from any other computer, how they short to ground, and if your SSD dies, you can't fix it unless you're willing to spend around $1,000 on a repair. He gets really detailed on the engineering, and it's pretty crazy what Apple is doing, to save a few bucks during the manufacturing process.
This guy has it in for Apple.
 
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There’s a very clear security reason for it, but for whatever reason nobody really wants to talk about how much machines are targeted by governments all over the world.

Apple Configurator requirements, from my perspective, is one of Apple’s answers to intelligence agencies intercepting shipments to install hardware exploits.


This is apple’s approach to making it harder for things like the TAO division of the NSA to do what they do.





You act as if there aren't other ways to encrypt data.

This is Apple nickel and diming

It's indefensible
 
Better question is, when is the last time someones SSD died? Outside of anomalies most will last longer than the life of the machine especially in Apple’s case when it can’t be moved from computer to computer.

I don’t mind Louis but he obviously has an agenda and as someone who grew up building pc’s I just don’t care anymore about swapping parts but I do expect them to last. If I felt strongly about it I simply wouldn’t buy it.
My 3 Apple laptops (one Pro, now onto my second Air) never died - I just got bored of them and wanted to upgrade. Speed wise I didn’t have an issue with them either.

It’s the same with my Apple TV, HomePods, iPads - I’ll upgrade them when I get bored of it. The iPhone I upgrade every two years just because 😏. I’m in my first Apple Watch but I suspect I’ll feel the same about that too.
 
Typically by the time your SSD dies in a modern machine there's a very large chance that the rest of the machine has been out of support for several years (in terms of OS), is missing support for modern standards of IO, lacks CPU instructions for modern codecs, etc.

See my 2015 MBP 13".

If I could upgrade storage on it, I still wouldn't because it would be throwing good money at a machine that is very much out of date and outperformed by a modern iPhone in basically all respects.
 
Although I agree with the sustainability argument. I've yet have a Mac fail due to a bad drive and have put some serious hours on some of them as in decades. I like a lot of what Louis has to say, equally he clearly has a personal issue with Apple which I think he should tame.

I dont see Apple being particularly good or bad, they are just doing what others would in the same position...

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Typically by the time your SSD dies in a modern machine there's a very large chance that the rest of the machine has been out of support for several years (in terms of OS), is missing support for modern standards of IO, lacks CPU instructions for modern codecs, etc.

See my 2015 MBP 13".

If I could upgrade storage on it, I still wouldn't because it would be throwing good money at a machine that is very much out of date and outperformed by a modern iPhone in basically all respects.
That's my logic, I purchase the minimum spec I need for the task at hand and replace/repurpose the older system. Especially with Apple as the base models tend to offer fair value, while the upgrades are clearly priced egregiously...

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New account created JUST to post this YouTube video? Hmmmm…

Searching the name brought up this.
“https://rossmanngroup.com/”

I would actually EXPECT that someone who makes money via repairs would prefer that companies make their systems more repairable. Rather than, you know, see that the business is trending down and get into another line of business.

Not a conflict of interest AT ALL. :)
See, him saying good for customer, “conflict of interest”, him not defending Customer, “he should know more than this. Why he doesn’t spearhead the whole process”. He just can’t win regardless, so he picked his side and moved on.
Rossmann's entire schtick is to sell outrage and hyperbole to an undiscerning audience of mostly young men for YouTube engagement. He skirts the line between a YouTube reactionary and a self-help huckster and it's very successful.

Time Machine has been built into the system since 2007 and can do hourly, daily, weekly or monthly backups automatically.
Unless you run what I call “real-time backup”, meaning every single I/O operation performed by the machine is backed up exactly to a replica, exactly when it happens, there will always be a gap between current data and yesterday‘s backup. What happens if your critical data falls into that gap?

Cloud storage? Same argument applies: your machine dies before you can upload files to the cloud. What gives?

Apple is not doing customer’s favor by soldering the storage to the board and tie it to the board. What if some capacitors/resistors fail and board is not operational anymore, yet those SSD flash chips remains unharmed? “Buy a new computer, spend another $9000” instead of trying to recover the data before throwing the board away?

If you are comfortable buying a new computer every time something bad happens to the hardware, good for you.
 
Exactly!! Are we really having this discussion about data loss in 2023? If you're doing "up to the minute" work on a Mac that would be catastrophic to lose in an SSD failure and NOT using Time Machine and DON'T have a 3-2-1 backup strategy in place then I really don't feel bad for you. Somewhere Steve is rolling his eyes.
So I guess you have a live backup system that replicates every thing your machine is doing, with only a few seconds of delay. If something bad happens, you would only have a couple second to lose, not hours if not days.
Apple makes it ridiculously simple to back up your files. iCloud Backup saves all of my files, photos, and music. iCloud backups make it possible to take a hammer to your computer, get a new computer, and restore from it without losing any files. You may have to reinstall apps, but your files will all be there.

Just in case, I have an external drive that runs TimeMachine every hour. I have never needed to use it when I've replaced my computer.
Time Machine really isnt the best backup system out there imo (very difficult to expand capacity without losing previous backup is one of them), but that’s a separate issue.
What truly matters is there will always be a gap between disaster and last backup. Depending on how long it is, the loss can be huge. By soldering SSD to the board, Apple practically eliminates any easy way to retrieve the data in case bad things happen, while preventing skilled people outside Apple to save data when bad things happen.
You're correct on everything you mentioned on your comment, however it's closer to 10,000 writes per block. Enterprise-class drives might have even higher numbers.

Operating systems will definitely attempt to spread wear evenly across the disk via TRIM. You can generally retrieve SSD health / wear through some tools, I recently sold a 2017 iMac with factory-fitted SSD and it reported 98% health and I used that system A LOT.

I think the biggest risk to data is more electrical component failure or data / controller corruption. Keep your backups safe, folks! Time Machine really is a plug-in and forget solution.
Nobody knows if Apple is using TLC or QLC for their NAND flash. The more bits a cell would store the quicker SSD die during daily use. Especially QLC‘s write speed can be as slow as mechanical hard drive if SLC cache is filled (though daily use this should never happen). 10,000 writes can go away faster than most people realise.
There are a lot of great reasons for Apple's products to be more serviceable, sustainability being very high on the list.
But at this point if you're losing data, you're being reckless. Between cloud sync services like iCloud, Dropbox, Google -- and dead-simple Time Machine backups, it's easier than ever to maintain redundancy.
Again, there will always be a time gap between disaster and last backup. Unless the backup happens in real-time (meaning at most a couple seconds of delay), it is infinitely better to have a way to save data when disaster happens, so the loss can be minimised. Apple has effectively shuts down that data recovery chance.
 
See, him saying good for customer, “conflict of interest”, him not defending Customer, “he should know more than this. Why he doesn’t spearhead the whole process”. He just can’t win regardless, so he picked his side and moved on.

Unless you run what I call “real-time backup”, meaning every single I/O operation performed by the machine is backed up exactly to a replica, exactly when it happens, there will always be a gap between current data and yesterday‘s backup. What happens if your critical data falls into that gap?

Cloud storage? Same argument applies: your machine dies before you can upload files to the cloud. What gives?

Apple is not doing customer’s favor by soldering the storage to the board and tie it to the board. What if some capacitors/resistors fail and board is not operational anymore, yet those SSD flash chips remains unharmed? “Buy a new computer, spend another $9000” instead of trying to recover the data before throwing the board away?

If you are comfortable buying a new computer every time something bad happens to the hardware, good for you.
My Mac cost four figures, my data >six figures. While I dont overly care for the lack of modularity I do firmly approve of the increased security. Most cloud solutions worth their salt backup in real-time, have versioning and p2p encryption or they would be useless for any professional purpose.

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You better buy a few backup cars, for the next times when somebody cut in your tires.
No, you carry backup replacement TIRES, not cars...and a weapon to smack the people who cut your tires. How this relates to computers is simple, the car is the computer, the replacement TIRES are replacement parts like ssd, ram, and the weapon is sending a message to the Manufacturer that you're still rocking one of their 15 year old computers perfectly fine, and bypassed their planned obsolescence😂
 
See, him saying good for customer, “conflict of interest”, him not defending Customer, “he should know more than this. Why he doesn’t spearhead the whole process”. He just can’t win regardless, so he picked his side and moved on.

Unless you run what I call “real-time backup”, meaning every single I/O operation performed by the machine is backed up exactly to a replica, exactly when it happens, there will always be a gap between current data and yesterday‘s backup. What happens if your critical data falls into that gap?

Cloud storage? Same argument applies: your machine dies before you can upload files to the cloud. What gives?

Apple is not doing customer’s favor by soldering the storage to the board and tie it to the board. What if some capacitors/resistors fail and board is not operational anymore, yet those SSD flash chips remains unharmed? “Buy a new computer, spend another $9000” instead of trying to recover the data before throwing the board away?

If you are comfortable buying a new computer every time something bad happens to the hardware, good for you.
Yep, that’s Apple finest green washing.
 
No, you carry backup replacement TIRES, not cars...and a weapon to smack the people who cut your tires. How this relates to computers is simple, the car is the computer, the replacement TIRES are replacement parts like ssd, ram, and the weapon is sending a message to the Manufacturer that you're still rocking one of their 15 year old computers perfectly fine, and bypassed their planned obsolescence😂
Apple Car will have weld tires, better buy three Apple Cars(Winter, Summer, and an AllSeasons backup). You will have to decide upfront if you want to drive during the Winter or Summer and buy corresponding the Apple Car with weld tires. 🤣
 
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Quite frequently actually, especially if you have to deal with Apple Support.
They say over and over again to make sure your device is backed up.
If you use any of Apple’s beta programs, you’re warned to back up.
Plus iCloud and TimeMachine being built in.
And here:

”To keep your files safe, it's important to back up your Mac regularly. The easiest way to back up is to use Time Machine—which is built into your Mac—to back up your apps, accounts, settings, music, photos, movies, and documents.”

 
And here:

”To keep your files safe, it's important to back up your Mac regularly. The easiest way to back up is to use Time Machine—which is built into your Mac—to back up your apps, accounts, settings, music, photos, movies, and documents.”

Never been easier to backup important date, those that dont have no room to complain in the event of HW failure. Is rare and price does not exclude such events. If this system was to go down now, I'd simply resume on another that mirrors it both on macOS & Windows...

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I'm confident Apple informally guarantees the SSD to outlast the logic board. Or should I say SoC nowadays?
Ya…….Apple only guarantees anything to last a year….3 if you pay more for the guarantee. Beyond that they hope it dies so they can sell you a new Mac. When they pick the SSD vendor they sort by “price low to high” just like you do.

Don’t try and establish Apple virtue out of your desire for them to have it. That’s where the Apple Kool-Aid addictions start. We all want Apple to have these values as it respresents us well as a user of the product. The problem is Apple is just another greedy empire concerned only with profit that happens to have a good design aesthetic and a killer marketing department. Most of the things we think are virtuous are just marketing to sell more things.
 
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