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complaining here is cathartic, I suppose

feedback assistant is getting heavy use as well, whether apple cares about the feedback or not is an open question

I suppose you've never complained about anything on the internet. how very mature of you
It’s not just cathartic; it also provides an opportunity to receive and consider challenge on the object of one’s ire, and benefit from alternative points of view.
 
It’s not just cathartic; it also provides an opportunity to receive and consider challenge on the object of one’s ire, and benefit from alternative points of view.
Well, cathartic means purging, yet these complaints don't seem to ever end, do they? The desire to complain is insatiable.
 
Well, cathartic means purging, yet these complaints don't seem to ever end, do they? The desire to complain is insatiable.
Being a pedant for a moment, (as if I’m ever anything else!), “cathartic” doesn’t just mean “purgative”.

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I think most people use it in the first, most common sense.

There are other threads on this site, if this one isn’t floating your boat. No need to gatekeep.
 
Here're two more UI consistancy issue that have been around since Big Sur and still not fixed in Tahoe.

1. Lists views can lose their padding and rounded corners for no apparent reason. You can reproduce this consistantly in Activity Monitor by cycling though the tabs, it can also happen randomly in Finder while browsing in List view.
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2. Network shares still retain their Yosemite-era icon, and new to Tahoe the Connect As/Disconnect button is now misaligned too.
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It feels like the macOS implementation of Liquid Glass is a mere afterthought to Apple's design team in constrast with what they showcased on iOS/iPadOS.
 
Here're two more UI consistancy issue that have been around since Big Sur and still not fixed in Tahoe.

1. Lists views can lose their padding and rounded corners for no apparent reason. You can reproduce this consistantly in Activity Monitor by cycling though the tabs, it can also happen randomly in Finder while browsing in List view.
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This doesn't appear to be random. It happens whenever the scroll view requires a horizontal scroll bar.
 
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Honestly, it wouldn’t hurt if windows on macOS borrowed a bit more of that glassy-blurred, dimensional feel we saw back in the Windows Vista era—love it or hate it, it had a striking aesthetic that made UI elements feel more alive.
YES. MacOS' current implementation of glass is very flat, bland, and corporate. Where's the OS X 10.2 Aqua or Windows 7 aero?
 
It looks bad when there's not really any liquid *ss effects at all:

Here's a finder window - not the active window. "Show Status Bar" is enabled:

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To me, this is a dog's breakfast of UI design. Yes, it's the first beta, but...
Oh goddammitt! My eyes! What have they done to Finder, to macOS windows?

It seems they focused too much on iOS and iPadOS. They should rethink Tahoe’s Liquid Glass implementation and especially on system windows.

Yes, enabling the status bar and the route bar is among the first things I do on my Mac after a reinstall or a fresh start.
 
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Well, cathartic means purging, yet these complaints don't seem to ever end, do they? The desire to complain is insatiable.
"stop complaining!" he complained.

also everyone whined endlessly about the photos app, and guess what, apple rolled it back, literally acknowledging the community feedback in the keynote.

anyway, i'm off to spending 99.9% of my day not being mentally and emotionally damaged by my forum visits, hope you can do the same. :)
 
I was never a fan of Apple's recent macOS releases to begin with, but this is truly nightmarish. Laugable that someone at Apple is getting paid to come up with this nonsense.



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to me if they's nix the bubbled in elements then it would look really nice. plus elevating navigation over content seems to go against their whole message of making content shine.
 
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"stop complaining!" he complained.

also everyone whined endlessly about the photos app, and guess what, apple rolled it back, literally acknowledging the community feedback in the keynote.

anyway, i'm off to spending 99.9% of my day not being mentally and emotionally damaged by my forum visits, hope you can do the same.

Yet said community has barely ever managed to get anything serious rolled back, major UI changes included. Photos and other trivialities look more like Apple's lip service to their Mac user base commitment. And that's what we get for the pretty penny we pay them while they turn the Mac into a bigger iPad for their youngster iPhone addicts who mostly care about how cool their shiny new kit will look in their latest TikTok story.
 
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Yet said community has barely ever managed to get anything serious rolled back, major UI changes included. Photos and other trivialities is Apple's best lip service to the user commitment we can get for all the pretty pennies we pay them.

It's impossible to know what does or does not get impacted by protestations online.

Remember, everyone working on all this ... they are also "people who browse forums and socials" and they see the narratives out there.

It's extremely likely that things that get talked about, complained about, mentioned do get into the minds of those working on these things.
 
It's impossible to know what does or does not get impacted by protestations online.

Remember, everyone working on all this ... they are also "people who browse forums and socials" and they see the narratives out there.

It's extremely likely that things that get talked about, complained about, mentioned do get into the minds of those working on these things.
If Apple really listened to the vox pupuli on the forums, would we have things like Ventura+ Settings?
 
If Apple really listened to the vox pupuli on the forums, would we have things like Ventura+ Settings?

You're setting up a binary situation when something like this is really on a spectrum.

I'm saying that it's very likely the public "winds" are noticed and do impact what does and doesn't happen.

That doesn't mean it always does ... or that it does to the degree many of us out here might prefer.

Does that help better clarify what I'm saying?
 
It’s funny, ever since I heard “Liquid Glass” I can’t stop picturing this.

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But if we’re talking about visibility and accessibility, why not have some objects that are “illuminated from within”, or have some iridescence, sheen, the way bubbles do. Internal animation, sparkle, glow.. You could accomplish something like the “shake to enlarge” pointer feature now.
 
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