Lion was absolutely 🔥
I would take this back in a heartbeat
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Loving Liquid Glass—but macOS needs to catch up
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I’m shocked of all places they didn’t bring back those shiny traffic light window controls.
IMO glassy UIs look prettiest when they are used strategically to make specific things appealing and clickable.
Overlapping panels of refractive visual noise everywhere just makes everything unwieldy. If they want to use the effect, it should be sparingly in nicely curated places for maximum visual impact.
With each redesign, they keep chewing up more of the content space with UI padding.
These designs are getting progressively worse.
These designs are getting progressively worse.
I sort of wonder why they have stripped glass from supposedly glassy update🤣 This Finder window should have been transparent at least, or is there some setting to increase transparency ?
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but I would say that since first dipping my toes in to the linux world about 20 years ago, and still peeking in from time to time, the cost benefit analysis still leans macOS
I don't care to spend too much time screwing around just trying to make everything work properly
With each redesign, they keep chewing up more of the content space with UI padding.
These designs are getting progressively worse.
to be fair, in sequoia you can at least do this
sadly no longer though
Did you watch the wwdc “video keynote” or whatever that commercial was called
They kept showing people sitting at tables moving chunks of “glass” over top of the table
I knew we were in trouble then
You certainly would never do that on a real physical spread sheet on a table
Let alone a bunch of documents crammed together on your physical desktop
It’s seems that they really wanted to make the UI look “cool” or whatever and could care less about usability
It seems that they’ve forgotten that the point of the desktop metaphor as a computing interface was to make it easy to get work done
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I guess they want all their OSs to look similar, but I don’t think that’s necessary
Use the phone UI to have all the fancy gimmicky effects, that’s the “toy” in the lineup
let the “desktop” UI be usable for work
But by that I don’t just mean work.
For me computers are still toys as much as tools. My first c64 was certainly a toy for me as I didn’t need a tool as a child.
I guess I want a refined desktop computer UI that serves me well for both work and play
I actualy think Sonoma/sequoia are pretty damn good once I tweak things to my liking. Perhaps peak OS X/macOS
I certainly don’t want a cartoon version of a “futuristic” UI that steals all of the screen real estate with padding for gimmicky effects
The tablet? I dunno, Apparantly people use that as a desktop computer now?
Blah blah blah
I guess I’ve reached shaking my fist at the clouds age
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Look at how much clearer and more legible the toolbars used to be also:
I'm just not convinced, at all, that any of this is going in the right direction.
I'm just not convinced, at all, that any of this is going in the right direction.
Same same for Windows too, unfortunately.Look at how much clearer and more legible the toolbars used to be also:
I'm just not convinced, at all, that any of this is going in the right direction.
Since shareholder value rules, usability dies. Today an OS is just a mean to force you into consuming more.
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You guys seem to have inordinate amounts of spare time to post your endless complaints on here. Grow up, really. The OS isn't even out yet, and your current one still works. Plenty of time to decide. And there are always other systems if MacOS bothers you too much. Computers and their UIs really aren't that important.
Also, send feedback, especially if you're a shareholder. Point that out.
Also, send feedback, especially if you're a shareholder. Point that out.
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I guess 'flat' is the only major change I do regret. How Apple got away with it still beats me.
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I'm not convinced SFSymbols were a good decision either, icons are blurry everywhere, compare that grid icon under close button.With each redesign, they keep chewing up more of the content space with UI padding.
These designs are getting progressively worse.
It is out right now.
It will soon be “the current one.”
Yes there are other OSs, thing is this has been the best one for many people for quite some time and still is.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to complain when a tool that they pay to use is altered to become less fit for purpose.
a lot of us do send feedback. and thats what betas are for, feedback and discussion, not just about beta quirks but design directions holistically.
didn't realize that being interested and caring about the direction of software is a cause for telling people to "grow up." i guess you're here just for big boy professional reasons.
It's out for us to test. I am looking forward to the next update. Let's see what they do. I do think they are putting most emphasis on the look instead of focusing on function. There are some things that are better. They finally gave us a sidebar icon to click to hide the sidebar in Photos. The best update I have ever seen on our Macs was 10.8 which focused on stability and function.
Well, - complaining, especially on here, won't change much. Flat redesign was met with massive pushback, yet Apple did nothing about it. So you either buy it, - or you don't.
I don't consider being interested a cause for doing that, but I do believe thinking about mobiles, computers, and other gizmos this much is one. Life isn't happening on a screen, and if it does, it ain't life (c). And yes, you're right, - I've dwelt on these topics for all too long. However, what I said above still applies. Forum grumblin' won't change nothin', or at least, it won't change much. Just look at all the past history of modern Mac OS. Users have complained since Yosemite and even before. Mostly to no avail, methinks.
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complaining here is cathartic, I suppose
feedback assistant is getting heavy use as well, whether apple cares about the feedback or not is an open question
I suppose you've never complained about anything on the internet. how very mature of you
On the contrary, - I've complained so much it's had a profound negative effect on my wellbeing. Alas, I'm speaking from experience here.
agreed, everyone needs to make sure they get out and touch grass and not become 'too online'.
but i don't think complaining/debating about some design choices on a apple enthusiast forum inherently or automatically pushes someone into that category. people can get passionate about something and still step away and not let it be harmful in their lives. i guess each person has to decide where that line falls for themselves.
anyway, going off historic data, every time these types of extremely opinionated design directions show up in software, they tend to only last a release cycle before taking a half step back from the most excessive usability problems. i'd chalk it up to marketing demanding the flashiest version possible to prioritize how well it shows off in an advert vs how usable/useful it actually is. then once its no longer 'new', they quietly pare back most of the noise.
if anything i just wish we could skip over this stage of 'we need to dangle something shiny in front of the tech influencer crowd so they'll promote us in a bunch of brand evangelizing content' and just make solid, thoughtful refinements. the number of youtube thumbnails i've seen for "check out these mind blowing features" and then its them looking at colourless transparent icons... oof.
I like that we are talking about it. That's what this forum is for. We aren't changing the world by giving our opinions but, getting to know what each other think about the updates. I'm still excited for the next update and always will be.
Craig is spot on here I think (unfortunately)
