I have it installed as a VM and am not enjoying the look. Feels more thrown together and unrefined. Beta so lots of time for them to change things. Not sure how much normally changes in the overall look of an OS in the beta stages, but I am hoping there is some sever alterations to the UI. Even the icons remind me of the ones you would replace the default ones, they looked ok but never as nice as the default ones. That is subjective of course. This would be the first Mac OS version since 10.0 that I don't think looks better then the predecessor.
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Loving Liquid Glass—but macOS needs to catch up
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I don't always love every UI change but usually get used to it enough by the time of release that I stop thinking about it
never has it been this much of a mess though. terrible aesthetics aside, losing screen real estate in service to visual gimmicks is just insulting
this may be the first time I don't upgrade solely because of the UI. it's not like there is anything else compelling to upgrade for here. and if the big sell is the UI, and the UI is worse, then I can see staying on Sequoia as long as it works
Here's an active finder window with everything enabled in sequoia
Here's the identical window in tahoe
notice how squeezed in the actual content is
the sequoia window fits 4 more entries and 2 extra columns
edit: both windows are the same size. this is one quarter of the screen as tiled by amethyst with 10 pixels of window padding, dock hidden, menubar enabled, 1728x1117.
Here's the identical window in tahoe
notice how squeezed in the actual content is
the sequoia window fits 4 more entries and 2 extra columns
edit: both windows are the same size. this is one quarter of the screen as tiled by amethyst with 10 pixels of window padding, dock hidden, menubar enabled, 1728x1117.
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The way the column edges extend into the toolbar area is 24-carat sh*te.
I'm not a big fan of the liquid glass look. Maybe it will get better as it's refined and nears final candidate. Either way, I will always update to stay as up to date as possible.
I really dislike the floating buttons, the subtle drop shadow just make them look out of place and seems chaotic to my eyes like they are all individual buttons on their own hovering there. The current view looks refined and less childish.
I think I’m the only one who loves the liquid glass. However, Apple should fix the reduce transparency functionality for those with vision issues. DB1 is too soon to judge though
Anyone who looks at these two pictures and says the bottom is fine is brain dead. This looks absolutely atrocious. What in the **** are those gigantic scroll bars everywhere? And those “popped” up buttons everywhere just kill it with fire.
Edit: Also, look at how retarded those round corners are and how the search button sits right next to the upper right hand corner LOL I swear I don’t think anyone at Apple even works on macOS anymore until a few people last minute. They are all busy jerking off over iOS and iPadOS and visionOS and macOS gets left behind.
I don’t have a problem with bubbly interfaces. I have a soft spot for winxp and the original macOS aqua. The issue for me here is that the aesthetics are infringing upon legibility. And they don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
They’ve over-engineered this system of overlapping panes with curved and straight edges intersecting, and having to constantly be calculating what contrast, tint, blur and drop shadow they should be using depending on the content underneath. (I watched some of the wwdc developer talks - the system is doing an absurd amount of stuff to fight the optical qualities of a realtime glassy material that they imposed on themselves)
Good design should just flow naturally from the motivating concept, not require copious amounts of workarounds and still fail to hold together in edge cases.
That said, I’m sure plenty of people will say “I don’t care it’s a cool 3d effect”, and if you’re fine with that, cool, but just don’t pretend it’s some usability or accessibility improvement.
They’ve over-engineered this system of overlapping panes with curved and straight edges intersecting, and having to constantly be calculating what contrast, tint, blur and drop shadow they should be using depending on the content underneath. (I watched some of the wwdc developer talks - the system is doing an absurd amount of stuff to fight the optical qualities of a realtime glassy material that they imposed on themselves)
Good design should just flow naturally from the motivating concept, not require copious amounts of workarounds and still fail to hold together in edge cases.
That said, I’m sure plenty of people will say “I don’t care it’s a cool 3d effect”, and if you’re fine with that, cool, but just don’t pretend it’s some usability or accessibility improvement.
The referenced post was talking about Windows Phone 7, not Windows 8. Big difference. Windows Phone 7 and Zune used typography as main elements for the UI. I will agree that Windows 8 was not good at all.
I'd like wider scroll bars, for a larger target for my pointer. Don't know yet if I like the overall design, though.
Only by reverting to Sequoia, which is something you should always be prepared for whenever running beta software.
This is what bothers me the most. The half baked pass they get away with. No one there to stomp on the alpha creators to make sure the beta looks good, and then polish from there. The way resources are managed at is absurd given their profitability. Instead this will be years of snail pace refinement to look to. iOS 7 all over again. They learn nothing from their worst history, and retain nothing from the best aspects of their history. Garbage leadership attributes are really shining through now.
I was hoping Tahoe would end the Ives ego destruction of software that started with iOS 7, but as soon as I saw Alan Dye in the keynote, that hope was dashed. A see through monolith. This could be so much better with more thoughtful considerations. What the hell are they working on at Apple Park all year round?
I’m all for trying new things, and I will adapt to this as many will have no choice but to, but I was hoping for some design ethos that the rest of the industry races to copy. We received a derivative half baked potato instead. The Mac is the damn foundation for everything that exists at product wise. Honour it for that alone and start there when designing software for it. Let it be itself at its best. Stop catering to the new user consistency nonsense. People are not stupid. They will figure it out. There are some good concepts and ideas with Tahoe. Make it Macified. I don’t want the windows recycling bin or a Finder with identity issues.
Glass should be a window to substance, and filled with the like. Make it happen. Instead we get sugar water UI that reeks of Scully management style and iOS “Pop” culture.
“You know, if the hardware is the brain and the sinew of our products, the software in them is their soul.” - Steve Jobs
Perfect opportunity to take the best of Aqua and put in the Liquid Glass!
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Apple devs forgot to redesign scrollbars in BigSur, this time they're begging to become glass and they're still Yosemite style.
In a nutshell, everything that is alpha has become beta at , and everything beta becomes a release candidate. Golden Masters are a fantasy. Scrollbars you would think would be an important element in this design concept. Nope. Timmy is not a product person. Sadly no one there when it comes to software is either.
I wonder, especially with iOS, how much better the effects look first-hand. (Or with a 5K monitor).Also, all screenshots shared here on MR are nowhere near what you see in the video in terms of quality and fidelity so hopefully things move in the right direction
Tahoe looked much better in their keynote presentation than it does on my M1 14" MacBook Pro. I was watching it on a 75" 4k TV through AppleTV.
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