True, but it’s also Apple’s desktop chip in the Mac Studio that is currently the best replacement for the 27” iMac.
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M series chips are still slow... Are they gonna solve it?
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Wow, you somehow ignore the fact that RTX3000 series and soon RTX4000 series that require a separate PSU just for the higher end GPU so that score can go higher? I'm sorry, but any gamer living in Australia right now would like to trade some performance over a much lower power bill because of the rising electricity price.
>uses Cinebench R23 when it’s known that Apple Silicone always underperforms in it.M1 Max compared to an i7 (that could have made it to the 27” iMac) it looks quite disappointing:
Intel Core i7 12700K vs Apple M1 Max: performance comparison
We compared Intel Core i7 12700K (3.6 GHz) against Apple M1 Max (3.2 GHz) in games and benchmarks. Find out which CPU has better performance.nanoreview.net
>no SPEC which is more reliable.
Trash metrics.
>benchmarks done in OpenCL and Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Despite Apple's claims, M1 Ultra GPU is not as powerful as RTX 3090 - VideoCardz.com
No, Apple M1 GPU is not as powerful as RTX 3090 Apple may need to reconsider its M1 silicon marketing. The company was claiming that their newest chip called M1 Ultra equipped with 64-core GPU is as good as high-end desktop GPU while consuming 200W less power. As proven today, this claim...videocardz.com
Apple’s charts set the M1 Ultra up for an RTX 3090 fight it could never win
Better performance per watt doesn’t equal better overall performance.www.theverge.com
M1 series especially M1 Ultra still suffer its GPU performance and it turns out Apple lied about the performance. Yes, the optimization is still a problem but people still believe that M1 series are still performing poorly. Do M1 Ultra really perform just like RTX 3090? How about now? If this continue in 2022 and later, it will be a huge problem. I'm still seeing videos of poor M1 series performance due to lack of optimizations.
Power per watt is the only advantage for M1 series so far but dont we really care more about the performance? At this point, I'm already worrying about the future of M series.
>only benchmarks shown
Good to know that if I’m running an outdated graphic library or the only game that exists on Macs that the 3090ti will outperform it.
Do you have any unbiased benchmarks where M1 Max outperforms i7 12700K? (Or at least closer in performance?)
This is gonna require some guesstimation on my part, but I can’t find comprehensive tests on the 12700k specifically, so I’m gonna try and estimate the performance as -10% of the MT of the 12900k (which I feel is generous), and just say that ST is within the margin of error.
From that you can see that the ST performance manages to squeak a win against the M1 Max, (of course, we already knew this.) The MT performance falls behind, not by a devastating amount but not a win for Intel either. If you want for the sake of argument, I’ll call it a draw even though the M1 Max has an extreme performance per watt advantage, and it’s own gpu.
Speaking of which, your original point being that it looks “disappointing” because the 12700k could’ve appeared in the iMac, also ignores the necessity of a dedicated gpu, which would double the power requirements of said iMac for comparable performance.
The OP is actually right. M-series performance is so disappointing, it doesn't even rank in this list:
www.rankred.com
23 Fastest Supercomputers In The World | In 2025 - RankRed
We have curated a detailed list of fastest supercomputers in the world. They all are non-distributed computer systems running on Linux.
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The OP is actually right. M-series performance is so disappointing, it doesn't even rank in this list:
23 Fastest Supercomputers In The World | In 2025 - RankRed
We have curated a detailed list of fastest supercomputers in the world. They all are non-distributed computer systems running on Linux.
) and the fastest Fugaku is based on arm and not x86...so whats the future?! I may buy an M2 Max Studio when they come out.
Even if you could build an Alder Lake i9 System with a 3090 and run MacOS.
It still costs a lot cheaper for the M2 Max Studio. The cost alone of the 3090 video card will kill you.
Great system if your in an apartment in Europe where electric is generally more.
And A PC like above is a major power draw.
Even if you could build an Alder Lake i9 System with a 3090 and run MacOS.
It still costs a lot cheaper for the M2 Max Studio. The cost alone of the 3090 video card will kill you.
Great system if your in an apartment in Europe where electric is generally more.
And A PC like above is a major power draw.
I run scientific computations. I upgraded from a 2019 Intel MBP to an M1 Pro. The CPU single-thread performance doubled, and the multi-core performance increased like 3 times. Also machine learning performance increased by magnitudes.
Adding: and it does that without whining fans. My previous Intel MBP sounded like a leaf blower with just the slightest challenging computations.
Adding: and it does that without whining fans. My previous Intel MBP sounded like a leaf blower with just the slightest challenging computations.
An M1 Mac with 16 GB of unified memory and 8-core graphics has performance equivalent to a higher-end Intel Core i7 or i9 Mac also with 16 GB of RAM. It's a pretty startling but amazing difference, and I still remember how blown away I was by the speed, particularly the way my M1 MacBook Air renders video projects in just one third of the time as my 2012 quad-core i7 Mac Mini (also with 16 GB of RAM).
I'm convinced that's literally all turbineseplane thinks.
HPC SoCs seem to be different from desktop SoCs. I doubt people would argue that x86 is more efficient than ARM, although Frontier is almost 4 times more efficient than Fugaku.the fastest Fugaku is based on arm and not x86...so whats the future?!
The graphics of the M-SoCs is of course slower or can only keep up in certain scenarios. Furthermore, it lacks features like ray tracing. Nevertheless, the overall package is good in terms of energy consumption, even if Apple's marketing is not correct (or only in certain scenarios).
This. The efficiency and speed on my M1 MacBook Air is so awesome. It’s a truly total package and the only thing like it on the market especially at the price point.
Sorry no, the latest Intel and AMD stuff can never be better than mac as it does not run macOS. Windows is a no go!
Imagine if computers would need petrol to run.........M1 would become very popular!
A M1 Max chip is alot slower than a desktop RTX 3090. In some benchmarks, gaming laptops with a mobile RTX 3060 beat the M1 Max even, so probably also the M2 Max.
I actually am using my 2020 iMac, 10 core i9 and 16GB 5700xt for video production because of the graphics in it. I do not trust that the M1 platform can really replace it just quite yet.Despite Apple's claims, M1 Ultra GPU is not as powerful as RTX 3090 - VideoCardz.com
No, Apple M1 GPU is not as powerful as RTX 3090 Apple may need to reconsider its M1 silicon marketing. The company was claiming that their newest chip called M1 Ultra equipped with 64-core GPU is as good as high-end desktop GPU while consuming 200W less power. As proven today, this claim...Apple’s charts set the M1 Ultra up for an RTX 3090 fight it could never win
Better performance per watt doesn’t equal better overall performance.
M1 series especially M1 Ultra still suffer its GPU performance and it turns out Apple lied about the performance. Yes, the optimization is still a problem but people still believe that M1 series are still performing poorly. Do M1 Ultra really perform just like RTX 3090? How about now? If this continue in 2022 and later, it will be a huge problem. I'm still seeing videos of poor M1 series performance due to lack of optimizations.
Power per watt is the only advantage for M1 series so far but dont we really care more about the performance? At this point, I'm already worrying about the future of M series.
I do own a 2021 Macbook Pro M1 Pro, and it is plenty fast, but still have not been able to commit all my resources over to editing with it.
I am hopeful that the graphic wizardry they spoke about at the June 6th keynote on games can translate over to other graphical intensive applications.
Also, reading your replesi you appear to be a troll but i will feed you with this:Despite Apple's claims, M1 Ultra GPU is not as powerful as RTX 3090 - VideoCardz.com
No, Apple M1 GPU is not as powerful as RTX 3090 Apple may need to reconsider its M1 silicon marketing. The company was claiming that their newest chip called M1 Ultra equipped with 64-core GPU is as good as high-end desktop GPU while consuming 200W less power. As proven today, this claim...Apple’s charts set the M1 Ultra up for an RTX 3090 fight it could never win
Better performance per watt doesn’t equal better overall performance.
M1 series especially M1 Ultra still suffer its GPU performance and it turns out Apple lied about the performance. Yes, the optimization is still a problem but people still believe that M1 series are still performing poorly. Do M1 Ultra really perform just like RTX 3090? How about now? If this continue in 2022 and later, it will be a huge problem. I'm still seeing videos of poor M1 series performance due to lack of optimizations.
Power per watt is the only advantage for M1 series so far but dont we really care more about the performance? At this point, I'm already worrying about the future of M series.
IF YOU WANT TO GAME AND WANT THE PERFORMANCE OF A 3090, GET A WINDOWS MACHINE WITH A 3090.
Have you ever had a completely silent desktop computer? It’s AMAZING.
