My 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro is more quite as it doesn’t have this high pitch sound the Mac Studio suffers from.
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M series chips are still slow... Are they gonna solve it?
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My 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro is more quite as it doesn’t have this high pitch sound the Mac Studio suffers from.
If you want a silent PC, you can build one too.
Anyone that expects Apple Silicon to be anything other than “better than the last released Mac of that type” will be in for a long run of disappointments over the coming years.
It can be amazing yes. A friend of mine did it for his gaming rig, overclocked to hell, both CPU and GPU and used a passive radiator. Not a single fan in it, radiator was external, a bit smaller than 3'x3'x1' in size. No noise at all. Surprisingly he put it under the desk, was completely invisible until pointed out to visitors.
No ****, gaming benchmarks use ports running on OpenCL. You need to read past the headlines to get a full picture!
Every thread of this sort ends up with a focus on gaming performance being the benchmark of the system.
Which if that’s all one cares about, it’s valid. To oneself.
As a watermark of total performance? Not so much.
I’ve always wanted to do one of those huge heatsinks or external radiator builds, they look so industrial.
Even if the M-series chips are 'slow' and Apple lied about performance. They are still a **** ton faster simply by the fact they don't throttle like it's an Intel in previous Apple devices. I will take the rubbish performance of the M-series and lies about performance.
If apple advertise a product thats fast as an 3090, and i spend more than 2x of an 3090 price, i want that power even if i dont need it... What are u saying is: spend 4000bucks for that mac, but trust me, dont complain if its not so fast as Tim said. I assure u that u dont need that power so u dont have nothing to worry about
BTW, seems u dont know what is mining, as calling someone that have a 3090 a "very niche customer" its ridicolous...
Mining...If apple advertise a product thats fast as an 3090, and i spend more than 2x of an 3090 price, i want that power even if i dont need it... What are u saying is: spend 4000bucks for that mac, but trust me, dont complain if its not so fast as Tim said. I assure u that u dont need that power so u dont have nothing to worry about
BTW, seems u dont know what is mining, as calling someone that have a 3090 a "very niche customer" its ridicolous...
...that serious approach to turn electricity into heat? Electricity powered in most parts of the world by fossil fuels?
Ok, I see, a typical Mac use!
not a typical mac use of course, but the reason its only cause mac dont have such power
They never compared the M1 Max to the RTX3090, they compared the Ultra.
FYI there are many areas where the the Ultra is faster than RTX3090 - this includes video editing and photo editing and quite a lot of other creative apps.
True for gaming, the Ultra won't be as fast as the 3090.
I remember reading an Ars article that stated Frontier uses room temperature liquid cooling, which reduces a lot of the energy required to cool the entire setup. Not sure what the Fugaku setup uses to cool itself, but likely it is the traditional cold room setup, which uses a lot of energy.
Slow. That's hilarious. The M1 Air, the cheapest laptop you can possibly get from Apple these days, is so fast the machine feels like it's controlled by your thoughts. It's so fast the hardware removes itself from the experience.
Add the perks that it does so without heating up, and with such good battery life that I charge mine once every FOUR DAYS...
Apple Silicon chips are the future and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to pull their head out. There is nothing else like this on earth from any other company. AND this is only the beginning.
Add the perks that it does so without heating up, and with such good battery life that I charge mine once every FOUR DAYS...
Apple Silicon chips are the future and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to pull their head out. There is nothing else like this on earth from any other company. AND this is only the beginning.
Metal and the Mac devices that use the Metal API DO support Raytracing and can perform Raytracing task just like any another device.
I think you maybe confusing hardware that is made to accelerate Raytracing like RT core from Nvidia. No M1/2 Mac have RT cores, but all Macs support Raytracing.
I have no skin in the game as I don't own an Ultra, but what test is Apple using to justify the graph? I've seen several videos out there where the Ultra is beating a 3090 in certain graphic task. Are you just concerned about the task where the 3090 wins, like gaming?
Blender renders are much slower on the Mac than they are on Windows. But Blender didn't even support GPU rendering on M1 hardware until March 2022. It's nowhere near optimized yet, and it may never be as optimized as it is for Nvidia. That's just how it goes. Apple's marketing graph wasn't saying, "At 100W, the M1 Ultra GPU is faster than a RTX 3090 in every task you can throw at it." Apple will put that graph up if it can find even one test where the Ultra beats the 3090. And you know what? There *are* tasks where the Ultra is faster, like in Adobe Premiere Pro and other video rendering tasks.
There are no other chips out there at 100W that can find even a small number of tasks to beat the 3090 at. This is literally Apple's first desktop CPU/GPU, and it can already beat a GPU in a few tasks, made by a company that's been making GPUs for nearly 30 years. And you're worried about what Apple achieved in year one.
Don't forget Apple hasn't released its M-variant Mac Pro yet. Don't you think the Mac Pro is going to have significantly better GPU performance than the little Mac Studio? GPU performance has been called "embarrassingly parallel" because you can throw more and more cores at GPUs to make them faster. Apple will certainly put in a GPU that uses more power and has more cores when it builds the Mac Pro. In nearly all cases, Apple is trying to delivery the best performance per watt (and I haven't seen any Nvidia GPUs that beat the M1 in the sub 100W category). When Apple builds the Mac Pro, it will be building a machine where using additional power is acceptable and encouraged.
The M1 Ultra is the beginning of Apple's GPU prowess, not the culmination of it. I'm sorry that the Ultra's performance isn't acceptable to you. Feel free to use a Windows computer with an RTX 3090 for your work. You should use the tool that best meets your needs. But don't pretend that Apple is in trouble five years down the road.
There are no other chips out there at 100W that can find even a small number of tasks to beat the 3090 at. This is literally Apple's first desktop CPU/GPU, and it can already beat a GPU in a few tasks, made by a company that's been making GPUs for nearly 30 years. And you're worried about what Apple achieved in year one.
Don't forget Apple hasn't released its M-variant Mac Pro yet. Don't you think the Mac Pro is going to have significantly better GPU performance than the little Mac Studio? GPU performance has been called "embarrassingly parallel" because you can throw more and more cores at GPUs to make them faster. Apple will certainly put in a GPU that uses more power and has more cores when it builds the Mac Pro. In nearly all cases, Apple is trying to delivery the best performance per watt (and I haven't seen any Nvidia GPUs that beat the M1 in the sub 100W category). When Apple builds the Mac Pro, it will be building a machine where using additional power is acceptable and encouraged.
The M1 Ultra is the beginning of Apple's GPU prowess, not the culmination of it. I'm sorry that the Ultra's performance isn't acceptable to you. Feel free to use a Windows computer with an RTX 3090 for your work. You should use the tool that best meets your needs. But don't pretend that Apple is in trouble five years down the road.
This is still alive? this op shows graphs from months ago....living in the past
Thank god is not showing us the graphs from the first ever Macbook Air to make a point
IF apple made a graph and that graph is real in 1 out of 1 millions scenarios, then by the law, is not false, Apple just chose what makes them stand out...And everybody is making this, its marketing business 101 for decades
Thank god is not showing us the graphs from the first ever Macbook Air to make a point
IF apple made a graph and that graph is real in 1 out of 1 millions scenarios, then by the law, is not false, Apple just chose what makes them stand out...And everybody is making this, its marketing business 101 for decades
That graph feeds the myth that Apple is better at marketing than hardware manufacturing.
Has Apple published the software they used for that benchmark? Has anyone else been able to reproduce the benchmark on that graph?
Do those tasks use the GPU or another part of the SoC?