My experience has been basically same as what @xraydoc described. I have 32" Dell display and my Mac mini has 16GB of RAM. Never seen any issues with font rendering at 3008x1692.
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M1 Mac External Display - Fuzzy Fonts & Colors - YPBPR vs RGB
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Personally it's fine but I prefer 1440p. Ideally I would use something in between both haha
Yeah, I gotta see myself when I get my new 27" display but based on my calculations some resolution between both probably would be the best for me too. I currently have 25" 2560x1440 panel running at full native resolution, so 27" panel at the same resolution result larger fonts but 3008x1692 smaller...
Currently I find font size just perfect for me, so maybe I can tolerate a bit smaller too, not sure yet.
Hey folks. I happened on this post trying to figure out why my monitor and/or M1 Mini would not sleep. Doubt this issue has anything at all to do with the YPbPr, but it got me looking since I recently replaced my MBP with a M1 Mini. My Dell P2715Q (connected to TB3 dock via DP cable) was indeed stuck in YPbPr mode and if I tried to change it in the OSD the screen went all crazy purple.
On a whim, I looked at the settings in the OSD for MST (under display) and it was set to OFF. I recalled having another issue a while back and I had to set this to Secondary. Can't remember what the heck that was, but it obviously selected either. So I changed it to Primary and as soon as I selected it the display changed and it's no longer in YPbPr mode. The colors on screen did shift slightly as well. I'll have to recalibrate the thing to make sure it's all good.
To be sure this stuck I rebooted and checked the OSD. Still holding on RGB.
Anyone out there care to try this as well? Hoping it helps this issue. Now I need to get back to figuring out the sleep issue.
On a whim, I looked at the settings in the OSD for MST (under display) and it was set to OFF. I recalled having another issue a while back and I had to set this to Secondary. Can't remember what the heck that was, but it obviously selected either. So I changed it to Primary and as soon as I selected it the display changed and it's no longer in YPbPr mode. The colors on screen did shift slightly as well. I'll have to recalibrate the thing to make sure it's all good.
To be sure this stuck I rebooted and checked the OSD. Still holding on RGB.
Anyone out there care to try this as well? Hoping it helps this issue. Now I need to get back to figuring out the sleep issue.
Good info. On Dell PQ2721P I have the YPbPr/RGB mode setting in mine but nothing for MST otherwise I would try it. Yea mine turns purple/green if I switch to RGBHey folks. I happened on this post trying to figure out why my monitor and/or M1 Mini would not sleep. Doubt this issue has anything at all to do with the YPbPr, but it got me looking since I recently replaced my MBP with a M1 Mini. My Dell P2715Q (connected to TB3 dock via DP cable) was indeed stuck in YPbPr mode and if I tried to change it in the OSD the screen went all crazy purple.
On a whim, I looked at the settings in the OSD for MST (under display) and it was set to OFF. I recalled having another issue a while back and I had to set this to Secondary. Can't remember what the heck that was, but it obviously selected either. So I changed it to Primary and as soon as I selected it the display changed and it's no longer in YPbPr mode. The colors on screen did shift slightly as well. I'll have to recalibrate the thing to make sure it's all good.
To be sure this stuck I rebooted and checked the OSD. Still holding on RGB.
Anyone out there care to try this as well? Hoping it helps this issue. Now I need to get back to figuring out the sleep issue.
For me, MST is under the display settings. Weird I have it and you don't. Another mystery.
Easier to use plist trick. You cannot change this from monitor menu (it will only result odd colors since Mac is still sending yPbPr).
Yea must be a firmware thing. I just have Aspect Ratio, Sharpness, response time and reset
I tried the above script and even after rotating my monitor several times I still get an error at the end that LinkDescription isn't found and to rotate again. Changing the MST setting to anything when it's in the wrong mode puts it into RGB mode, but if I change MST again it reverts back to yPbPr. weird.
Forget about scripts and do it manually.
Just read this thread previous page and see my post of example what you need to edit in plist file. Also you find links to other people's videos about what commands and how to use them for editing plist files. It is really just couples simple commands you type in command prompt. But as always it is wise to make good backup of your system just in case but for what I have tested myself I did not have any problems and those plist files seem to recreate by themselves if you delete them and then reboot and go to display settings and change some settings like resolution or rotation once, so this should put them back to OS defaults too (but again it is always wise to make backup of system and those files).
Just read this thread previous page and see my post of example what you need to edit in plist file. Also you find links to other people's videos about what commands and how to use them for editing plist files. It is really just couples simple commands you type in command prompt. But as always it is wise to make good backup of your system just in case but for what I have tested myself I did not have any problems and those plist files seem to recreate by themselves if you delete them and then reboot and go to display settings and change some settings like resolution or rotation once, so this should put them back to OS defaults too (but again it is always wise to make backup of system and those files).
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For anyone still having problems with the ypbpr vs rgb probem.
I managed to get it stay on RGB. I tested restarting the computer, shutting down and opening again, disconnecting the usb-c cable that connects the computer to the monitor and connecting again, then waking from sleep. All worked.
I'm on 12.0 Beta (21A5284e). Display is a 4k Dell P2721Q connected with a USB-C to USB-C cable to a M1 Macbook Air baseline.
Search for DDC/CI option in the OSD of your monitor and turn it off. Let me know if that works for any of you!
Thanks!
P.S. If you want to replicate close to my own situation, before doing the procedure with the OSD I opened the lid of my Macbook and from Display Settings I changed to Mirror on the settings for my external display. Then I switched the color to P3 and back to the display's default color profile, and after that I did the OSD thing.
For anyone still having problems with the ypbpr vs rgb probem.
I managed to get it stay on RGB. I tested restarting the computer, shutting down and opening again, disconnecting the usb-c cable that connects the computer to the monitor and connecting again, then waking from sleep. All worked.
I'm on 12.0 Beta (21A5284e). Display is a 4k Dell P2721Q connected with a USB-C to USB-C cable to a M1 Macbook Air baseline.
Search for DDC/CI option in the OSD of your monitor and turn it off. Let me know if that works for any of you!
Thanks!
P.S. If you want to replicate close to my own situation, before doing the procedure with the OSD I opened the lid of my Macbook and from Display Settings I changed to Mirror on the settings for my external display. Then I switched the color to P3 and back to the display's default color profile, and after that I did the OSD thing.
Unless 12.0 beta fixes not staying in RGB mode by nature, I don't think procedures like you described are permanent solution to this.
It used to be the same case with 11.x and sometimes doing something seemed to put it to RGB mode but it eventually went to YPbPr. The only thing that made staying RGB mode for me permanently with my M1 Mini was doing plist trick (which I find much more easy than pulling cables and doing all kinds of "rain dance" tricks trying to put it to RGB).
It used to be the same case with 11.x and sometimes doing something seemed to put it to RGB mode but it eventually went to YPbPr. The only thing that made staying RGB mode for me permanently with my M1 Mini was doing plist trick (which I find much more easy than pulling cables and doing all kinds of "rain dance" tricks trying to put it to RGB
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I think it was obvious my potential solution isn't meant as a "permanent solution". But I think it's better to try to solve the problem now if one can, than wait for Apple to fix it. I will watch and see the following days if it goes back to YPbPr. But so far, it's staying on RGB. Are you referring to the plist trick from Vladimir Kochkovski video on YT? If so it didn't work permanently for me. My potential solution might be just linked to the DDC/CI option in the OSD of the monitor. That's why people who are still having trouble with this issue, that tried other potential solutions and didn't succeed, maybe they will have luck with this. It's just flipping a switch in the menu of the monitor so really more easy than modifying plist files. Don't get discouraged people try this and see if it works!Unless 12.0 beta fixes not staying in RGB mode by nature, I don't think procedures like you described are permanent solution to this.
It used to be the same case with 11.x and sometimes doing something seemed to put it to RGB mode but it eventually went to YPbPr. The only thing that made staying RGB mode for me permanently with my M1 Mini was doing plist trick (which I find much more easy than pulling cables and doing all kinds of "rain dance" tricks trying to put it to RGB
It works if you don't change settings in MacOS display menu after that. It is that plist gets reset to defaults in some display menu changes, so probably any tricks will cause it to change eventually. Anyway I find it easier to type few characters in text file and do conversion between xml and binary than pulling cables and changing monitor settings in monitor.
Apple have definitely changed the font rendering in 12.0, just upgraded to the beta and its pin sharp on my 4K screen.
Interesting. Would that also give good fonts for QHD monitor at native resolution finally?
Not sure as I have only got a 4K screen. Marked difference for me though, gone are the fuzzy fonts.
I also just got 32" 4K monitor and I'm running it at 3008x1692 and fonts already look so much better than in QHD monitor in Big Sur. So if they improve even from this, I'm happy. Just wondering if they finally give QHD monitor user good fonts in Monterey. Those QHD monitors running at native resolution still have some benefits and probably if there was no issue with font look I would have kept it. These 4K monitors have their own issues.
I'm interested as well. I could update to v12 but it's my work laptop so things might brake
Besides black on white text having a shimmer causing eye strain over time, a faster way to see the problem is in the Stocks app in the price list where the white text on red looks terrible. Another place is the top 2 corners of the Calendar app icon in the dock. Also the Mail white text on red in the Mail badge is bad too.