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DeanL

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Because the only things I store on my external NVMe SSD are:
- Photos Archives that I never access
- Backups.

I don't want the hassle of having to carry an external drive for things that I use frequently. My MacBook Pro is my main computer so I like travelling with everything.
 
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Heatboy

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@pugxiwawa The Samsung X5 is as fast as my 256GB internal one. But everyone has to decide. I only store stuff that I don't need regularly for me 16GB RAM is more important but that's just my opinion.
Is this tested on an M1? What speeds are you getting? Presumably AFPS, right?
 

Spudlicious

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Nov 21, 2015
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Why not save with say a $240 2TB external SSD with read/write ~1GB/s?

It's better value than going from 256GB to 512GB.
I have the 512GB Air in case I need the headroom. Also because the M1 chip in the 256GB version is essentially a reject with failed graphics cores, isn't it? Although I use an external SSD for CCC backup, that's only a weekly thing, I like my laptops to be absolutely complete as they are, all-in-one, and I've always refused to use a mouse with my MacBooks. Sure the 512GB costs a little more, but only a little, and at my time of life why would I care about money? If people are OK with always having an external drive attached then that's fine, but it's not for me.
 
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Stephen.R

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Has anyone done benchmarks comparing the SSD speeds in relation to sizes? In the 2018 Mini, the larger sizes were faster (presumably due to more chips used in parallel). It'd be surprising if that's not the case in the M1 variants.
 

mi7chy

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Oct 24, 2014
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256GB feels slow like eMMC rather than NVMe. For example, OS recovery takes forever with estimate of ~1hr while on other systems with NVMe it feels like 5 to 10 minutes. Also curious to see if OS recovery time is shorter/faster on bigger 512GB, 1TB and 2TB.
 

darngooddesign

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Jul 4, 2007
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Because I have 285 GB of music and a 100 GB photos library and leaving an external rive connected all the time defeats the purpose of a laptop. However, if you're only talking about the Mini then I see your point.

That being said, I remember from one of the big '8 vs 16' or 'Air vs Pro' threads that the 256gb drive is a lot slower than the 512 and 1TB.
 
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johnhackworth

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Aug 5, 2011
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I haven't bought an M1 Mac yet. However when I do (probably in the next few months) I'll go with a 2Tb SSD. I have lots of lossless music (around 1TB in total). iTunes doesn't handle external media/NAS very well - if it can't mount the external drive immediately it reverts the library location to an internal disc. Much easier with internal storage,
 

JeepGuy

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Sep 24, 2008
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Why not save with say a $240 2TB external SSD with read/write ~1GB/s?

It's better value than going from 256GB to 512GB.
Went with 1TB I like to not have to carry an external drive when I go out, and It's not always about saving money, if I wanted to save money I'd buy an acer or some other cheap computer. Plus I have the Samsung T7 (2tb) for time machine backups anyway.
 

Bob_DM

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Nov 26, 2020
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I used to have 128GB and that’s not enough for me, even if you use iCloud and external SSDs (as I do). For example, to install Big Sur I had to have 35GB of free disk space. That's ridiculous if you have just 128GB in total.

256GB should be all right for most people. If you get 512, you pay for convenience and for speed. Price per GB isn't great. But you won't have to worry about running out of storage nearly as often as when you have 256. It's also much easier to have all your iCloud photos and data on you main drive as well.

1TB is even better. But few people should get more than 1TB in my opinion, because above 1TB the prices really start to skyrocket. In that case you're off much better with external storage.

My next computer will have 512GB by the way, which I think is very convenient while still being affordable.

One thing to note is that, if Microsoft will ever enable ARM Windows to run on Boot Camp, you'll want to run it on your internal drive as well (running it on an external drive isn't possible without tricks anyway). In that case even 256GB will be small if you need to divide it between two partitions.
Where is the time I bought a MacIntosh 7300 power PC with a whopping 2 GB drive ?
 

Krevnik

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Sep 8, 2003
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If you buy the Sandisk extreme pro you get the same speed as the internal one. I also got the 16 256 because i have a external ssd and i wont pay 240€ for 250 GB. For this amount i can get 2TB with the same speed and use it also on my other pcs

As long as it is a USB3 drive that supports USB-A ports, there’s little chance it’s as fast as a TB3 NVMe enclosure or the internal SSD. Looking at Western Digital’s page on that drive, it’s limited to 1050MB/s. Yet, the 256GB M1 Air is doing 2.6GB/s read, 2.1GB/s write when doing larger transfers. We need drives that support USB-C’s 20Gbps mode to really get close to the internal SSD. (EDIT: I see I replied to a fairly old post, sorry about that)

But at the end of the day, I can see many users fitting in 256GB fine. For me 512 is about the bare minimum to handle all the caches from Xcode/etc, and give me a little room to have scratch space for projects locally before pushing things back to the NAS. Having to have an SSD attached for scratch space while working on projects from the NAS isn’t a great experience.
 
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rui no onna

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As long as it is a USB3 drive that supports USB-A ports, there’s little chance it’s as fast as a TB3 NVMe enclosure or the internal SSD. Looking at Western Digital’s page on that drive, it’s limited to 1050MB/s. Yet, the 256GB M1 Air is doing 2.6GB/s read, 2.1GB/s write when doing larger transfers. We need drives that support USB-C’s 20Gbps mode to really get close to the internal SSD. (EDIT: I see I replied to a fairly old post, sorry about that)

But at the end of the day, I can see many users fitting in 256GB fine. For me 512 is about the bare minimum to handle all the caches from Xcode/etc, and give me a little room to have scratch space for projects locally before pushing things back to the NAS. Having to have an SSD attached for scratch space while working on projects from the NAS isn’t a great experience.

Similar situation albeit not for coding. 256GB just isn't enough space for me once I start addiing data I need locally. For me 512GB is minimum but even that doesn't allow for much breathing room.
 
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pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
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I wanted a 16 GB model and didn't want to wait five weeks for it so a local store had the 16 GB/1 TB in stock. I ordered it and had it in four hours. The machine was requested by my daughter and she loves it. This laptop is always used in mobile mode - never at a desk or plugged into any peripherals. So external storage would be inconvenient. She can use the home NAS if she wants stuff where latency is higher than the local SSD.
 
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guzhogi

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Aug 31, 2003
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In my experience was an IT professional, as others have said, many people don't want to carry around both a laptop and a hard drive. Add in the extra clutter on the desk, having to use one of the precious TB ports. Plus, not having the ability to upgrade the internal drive later is a hassle.

Yes, people can use a NAS, but most, if not all, of the people I work with don't know what a NAS is, much less how to set it up.

Just because an external hard drive is a better option for you doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
 

rui no onna

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Why would I want to carry another box around with my portable laptop? I went with 1TB.. I really hate running out of room.

I actually do carry externals. However, I tend to have 512GB-1TB internal SSD + 4TB portable HDD. Programs and program data, full copy of iCloud and Dropbox, Calibre ebook library, etc. go into the internal SSD. Large media or pretty much a mobile-friendly copy of my Plex Media Server/NAS goes into the portable HDD.

I don't store videos on the internal drive apart from using it as scratch space for transcoding/conversion. However, I do need all essential data available so I can use the laptop standalone even when there's poor/no internet without anything dangling from it.
 
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richinaus

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Oct 26, 2014
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I have a 2tb ssd in my 16" MacBook Pro. I ran out of space on my previous 1tb.
This is used professionally and I have. a 1tb Bootcamp partition. So really am running 2 os's on 1tb ssd's. It works perfectly.
I would never operate off external ssd, as I find it a PITA.
 

kevinleecutler

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This is just a short video explaining why for me I made my choice of going for full capacity in my M1 Mac mini
 

09872738

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Feb 12, 2005
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Why not save with say a $240 2TB external SSD with read/write ~1GB/s?

It's better value than going from 256GB to 512GB.
Because its a mobile device and having to attach an external drive does not bode well with the idea of mobility.
In general I just hate dongling everything onto my computer just to be able to use it

Plus the internal drive is quite a bit faster.
 

Lord Hamsa

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Jul 16, 2013
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Thankfully they invented laptop cases that you can put that stuff in. I get minimum storage for laptops usually. However if it was my only pc or Mac I might pay the apple tax for more.
See, I'm the exact opposite. Laptops are designed for portability - you want the computer itself to be as self sufficient as possible. For a desktop rig, I'm more than happy to hook up external storage since I don't have to lug it around and deal with hooking up and unhooking cables and connections.
 

gank41

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Mar 25, 2008
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See, I'm the exact opposite. Laptops are designed for portability - you want the computer itself to be as self sufficient as possible. For a desktop rig, I'm more than happy to hook up external storage since I don't have to lug it around and deal with hooking up and unhooking cables and connections.
That's exactly why I got the M1 MBP with 2TB/16GB to max it out, knowing that it's not upgradeable and that I'll probably have this thing for at least another 5+ years like my older 2015 MBPr (rip). I tend to mostly keep my MBP connected to a dock/hub, but it's great to use on the go and not worry about bringing extra external drives and cables. I keep everything like that connected to my dock at home.
 

mgymnop

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Dec 17, 2020
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I travel often and taking an external hard drive on a plane or train is just not efficient. Not to speak about internet connections on planes. I have a MBP with 16 MB and 1TB. I like also to store music and photos on the laptop.
 

abhi182

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Apr 24, 2016
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Depends on what you use it for I guess?
The base OS takes about 20 odd, productivity and other apps perhaps another 20.

My user data is around 80GB - and it does not grow much as I practice moving photos older than 5 years into cold storage and google drive.
The day I feel that my icloud drive is running short with a 200GB plan is when I will think of an upgrade I guess.
In the interim, the 256 with more than half its space empty has enough headroom for my needs.

Added advantage with base model is lower depreciation when selling for upgrade.
I felt 256/8 should be adequate for at least 3 years for me - if I feel short, I’d rather sell and upgrade to the newer gen devices then..

Of course, the above does not apply if you are say a professional photographer or work with videos etc
 
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