M1 Macbook Pro 2021 "120 hz" mini led display very slow, 120 hz are fake, old lcd technology!

[ASX]

You don't understand what a refresh window is, i understand monitor tech better than most, because i have so much experiences with displays, i tested so many from 2015 to 2021, you could not imagine. I see instantly when a screen has bad behaviour . Better watch the video in #13, maybe you understand the relation between refresh rate and response time better.

And not every mini led display is slow. There are very fast. Like the Samsung G9 Neo. But also a slow PG32UQX which is still faster than this slow macbook display. I tested both. PG32UQX and G9 Neo.

"Otherwise, it's best to have a device with slower response time so that contents with low fps (like movies!) won't look too jarring."

On my fast LG 34GP950G nothing looks jarring. A smeary mess like the mac book or ipad pro display is producing in term of motion is real pain for my eyes.

 

[bill-p]

You don't understand what a refresh window is, i understand monitor tech better than most, because i have so much experiences with display i see instantly when a screen has bad behaviour . Better watch the video in #13.

Yeah, sure. You understand displays better than RTINGS? Have you seen the video I linked? Here it is again:

 

[ASX]

Rtings. Lol. There reviews are many times wrong. The measurement is ok, but their subjective ratings are laughable.

The oled judder, is nothing you are experiencing on a lcd . Everybody knows this expect you.

 

[bill-p]

Rtings. Lol. There reviews are many times wrong. The measurement is ok, but their subjective ratings are laughable.

And your subjective gaming perspective matters to professionals how? Can you please elaborate?

Or are you just trying to say the new MacBooks are not good devices for gaming? If that's the case, I do agree.

These new MacBooks are for professionals to do color-accurate work, not for gamers to measure response time. If you honestly need response time, it is better to look elsewhere. Maybe a gaming laptop? For us who want to watch 24fps and 30fps movies without judder, we would actually prefer a device with slow response time. Haven't you ever wondered why certain monitors have a switch for response time in the menu even though they are capable of pushing for faster response time?

 

[ASX]

The LG 34GP950G is also color accurate. Apple ordered the wrong lcd technology. Fast wide garmut Lg nano ips has been released in 2018. Nothing new.

When you are scrolling and the display is producing so much ghosting, smearing and stuttering it doesn't matter of course for a multiple thousand Euro/Dollar laptop. You are only watching static images on a mac. And motion within videos or games is not important for professionals .

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

And your subjective gaming perspective matters to professionals how? Can you please elaborate?

Or are you just trying to say the new MacBooks are not good devices for gaming? If that's the case, I do agree.

These new MacBooks are for professionals to do color-accurate work, not for gamers to measure response time. If you honestly need response time, it is better to look elsewhere. Maybe a gaming laptop? For us who want to watch 24fps and 30fps movies without judder, we would actually prefer a device with slow response time. Haven't you ever wondered why certain monitors have a switch for response time in the menu even though they are capable of pushing for faster response time?

Don't bother with ASX, guy is a grade A troll. These screens are fantastic. Going back to my previous 16" was incredibly jarring. Promotion with the local dimming is a massive jump and its so good that I went through my entire 30k+ photo library and re-edited a lot of my favorites. Such a nice experience on this computer. Best laptop I've ever owned so far.

Anyone reviewing the MacBook screen as a gaming monitor needs to reevaluate a lot more than just their laptop screens.

 

[bill-p]

The LG 34GP950G is also color accurate. Apple ordered the wrong lcd technology.

When you are scrolling and the display is producing so much ghosting, smearing and stuttering it doesn't matter of course for a multiple thousand Euro/Dollar laptop. You are only watching static images on a mac. And motion within videos or games is not important for professionals .

Uh... what sort of professional gets a computer or a monitor just to watch how... sharp it is while it's scrolling? That makes zero sense to me.

Don't bother with ASX, guy is a grade A troll. These screens are fantastic. Going back to my previous 16" was incredibly jarring. Promotion with the local dimming is a massive jump and its so good that I went through my entire 30k+ photo library and re-edited a lot of my favorites. Such a nice experience on this computer. Best laptop I've ever owned so far.

Yeah, I agree. The new screens are fantastic for the resolution, PPI, color accuracy, contrast ratio, and support for up to HDR 1600! I'm honestly very happy with my purchase, and it's the perfect compliment to my LG 34WK95U!

Heck, I honestly can't even look at my LG CX TV the same way. It's pretty insane how bright my new 14" MacBook gets.

 

[ASX]

@cap7ainclu7ch

Yep, right. You owned so far. Bravo.

@bill-p

It makes no sense for you, because you are used to slow screens. LG 34WK95U is a very slow, flickering (pwm), color tinted mess. Tested it also.

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

Uh... what sort of professional gets a computer or a monitor just to watch how... sharp it is while it's scrolling? That makes zero sense to me.



Yeah, I agree. The new screens are fantastic for the resolution, PPI, color accuracy, contrast ratio, and support for up to HDR 1600! I'm honestly very happy with my purchase, and it's the perfect compliment to my LG 34WK95U!

You mean you don't edit photos and videos while scrolling around vigorously at the same time?! Clearly not a professional user like ASX is! He/she edits on a 360hz TN 1080p panel for maximum effectiveness and "fastness".

/s

 

[ASX]

There is no 360 hz tn panel out there. It's ips type (ah-va => Advanced Hyper Viewing Angles from AUO).

 

[bill-p]

It makes no sense for you, because you are used to slow screens. LG 34WK95U is a very slow, flickering (pwm), color tinted mess. Tested it also.

Yeah, I'm only used to "slow displays" including this one?

 

[ASX]

And why did you not notice the bad motion handling of 34WK95U and the mac book pro display then?

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

There is no 360 hz tn panel out there. It's ips type (ah-va => Advanced Hyper Viewing Angles from AUO).

Sorry to hear that, hopefully for your use case they come out with one. IPS must be too laggy for your fast switching between 30 internet tabs. TN handles motion better right?

 

[ASX]

This ips type panel is faster than tn's . Good you are not knowing what you are talking about.

TN XL2546K:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/products/tvvIDW1A/benq-zowie-xl2546k/tables-max-large.jpg

IPS PG259QN:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/products/0Ii3CczX/asus-rog-swift-360hz-pg259qn/tables-max-large.jpg

 

[bill-p]

And why did you not notice the bad motion handling of 34WK95U and the mac book pro display then?

I do notice how motion is handled but I wouldn't classify it as bad because... reasons given. Again, I know these devices are not for gaming. It's clear you keep talking about gaming as if it's gospel. It's not. Perhaps it's time you recognize people who do certain things as professionals have different needs than gamers?

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

This ips type panel is faster than tn's . Good you are not knowing what you are talking about.

TN XL2546K:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/products/tvvIDW1A/benq-zowie-xl2546k/tables-max-large.jpg

IPS PG259QN:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/products/0Ii3CczX/asus-rog-swift-360hz-pg259qn/tables-max-large.jpg

Glad to hear it, I was worried. 360hz IPS it is for you. Ultra fast web browsing. Only the best for ASX.

 

[ASX]

@bill-p

Professionals never have motions within their work flow .

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

ASX shoots iPhone video at 240fps 720p and plays it back at normal speed in order to minimize ghosting.

 

[hagjohn]

Youtube used as proof... ?

 

[bill-p]

@bill-p

Professionals never have motions within their work flow .

Here's a better question: can you think of any type of profession that requires sharp displays in motion? Aside from gaming?

 

[TinyMito]

Don't like it, don't buy it. I'm happy with mine, old tech or not, it looks good better than any display I have seen.

 

[Broko Fankone]

Why does this response time thing matter then? Because of gamers. They think by seeing the next frame immediately, they can better see their targets in motion and can better predict their next move or something like that.

I'm sorry but I just found that hilarious. I can paraphrase it like this:

"Why does wearing glasses matter then? Because of people with bad sight. They think by seeing the world sharper, and less blurry, they can better see what's in front of them, and can better predict their next movement or something like that."

The amount of gaming memes in this thread is nothing short of amazing.

You found a single use case for slow response time though! That you get detrimental blur (which does not exist in the reality of what is being rendered and is a byproduct of a slow screen), that helps watching 24fps videos by smearing them harder than a 1ms monitor would. That's funny, I've not experienced this jarring effect on my 1ms monitor while watching movies.

You know what's funnier? People freaking LOVE OLED TVs. And those types of TVs can have response times a couple of milliseconds.

I'm sensing a trend here - low response time is good particularly for Apple users... Perhaps because that is all that Apple is offering them in the world of computers? The rest of the world prefers to see what is actually being rendered and meant to be seen, and like the low input lag of a snappy and responsive machine.

 

[bill-p]

You found a single use case for slow response time though!

My question stands: can you point out one profession where it is absolutely necessary to have a perfectly clear clear picture while scrolling?

Please don't bring "reality" in here. You know as well as I do that video games try to create per-object "motion blur" in order to simulate "reality." Also you're telling me TVs in 2021 do not ship with motion compensation (framerate upscaling) turned on by default, regardless if they're OLED or not?

 

[J.Gallardo]

I believe MB Pro 2021 users when they affirm the superb sensation about screen quality.
I understand “refresh rate” and “(pixel)response speed”. I find logical and interesting trying to describe how the screen responses to actual variable frame rates… This thing deserves some attention at least!

A practical question: (apart from gaming), what’s your opinion, or what should we expect?:

if I wanted an external monitor (similar pixel density, variable refresh up to 120Hz, same color gamut…), should we go for a “fast pixel response speed” one? Would it behave noticeably better or worse? Would it be a nice upgrade, to have a portable superb screen plus a wonderful desktop monitor, or just a waste of money? Would a video producer obtain some benefit of such a set?​

I’m not sure if there’re monitors that can use M1 variable rate specification… but I think the question is quite pertinent and we could learn something about these new machines in a constructive sense.

(I would like to know as I’m getting a M1 Max).​

 

[ASX]

You should go for all, fast pixel response time, pixel response times, color garmut and hdr at 1000 nits sustained brightness with full array local dimming.

AOC Agon AG274QXM is good monitor which is fusionating it all. This monitor could use Vesa adaptive sync over displayport together with M1 soc's.

As a producer is much easier for you to work on a bigger screen. Faster response times are much more comfortable for your eyes.

When i work on my LG 34GP950G im satisfied. There is no ghosting, smearing or stuttering, which i hate on the mbp 2021. It's butter smooth.

But consider, you will hate the motion of your mbp screen if you see this insanely fast response time combined with 180 hz . You get used to it.

I have also a AW3821DW (also a very fast monitor) on another table and i dislike it because it's noticeable slower than my LG monitor. The macbook is up to 6 times slower than the AW3821DW and up to 12 times slower than LG 34GP950G.