M1 Macbook Pro 2021 "120 hz" mini led display very slow, 120 hz are fake, old lcd technology!

[Ploki]

that is pretty bad ghosting tho.
Reminds me of the first gen retina screen issues that had image retention and ghosting issues - but only LG's. Samsung panels were fine.
Both my 13" M1 MBP and 21.5" UltraFine 4K have less @60Hz (Ultrafine 4K has less than MBP), but they're both 220ppi

 

[ASX]

The macbook is using a lg panel. But a very slow lcd layer. They should order nano ips panels with the newer pixels which can switch faster. But maybe its more expensive in mass production and apple want save money to get more revenue. Or the apple engineers have simple no clue about panel technologys. I mean i have tested nearly any wqhd - uhd gaming monitor and all mile stone non gaming monitors on the market since 2015. I doubt any apple employee has this experience .

On macbook displays there is no overdrive. Which is leading to such insane response times. They made two mistakes. Wrong lcd and no overdrive .

Look how long the ramp of the mbp 14" 2021 is, the rise times are insanely high:

https://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/Notebooks/Apple/MacBook_Pro_14_2021_M1_Pro_Entry/bw_new.png

For comparison faster Eizo graphical monitor without overdrive:

https://www.prad.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/0717/eizo-cg2730-monitor-60Hz_gtg-336x235.jpg

There is 0 overshoot, indicates no overdrive applied.

 

[Ploki]

gotta agree with you. For a 120Hz display that's an abysmal response time - it's less than on 60Hz displays they use in older MacBooks and older LG Ultrafines that are "semi official"

 

[Ploki]

The macbook is using a lg panel. But a very slow lcd layer. They should order nano ips panels with the newer pixels which can switch faster. But maybe its more expensive in mass production and apple want save money to get more revenue. Or the apple engineers have simple no clue about panel technologys. I mean i have tested nearly any wqhd - uhd gaming monitor and all mile stone non gaming monitors on the market since 2015. I doubt any apple employee has this experience .

On macbook displays there is no overdrive. Which is leading to such insane response times. They made two mistakes. Wrong lcd and no overdrive .

Look how long the ramp of the mbp 14" 2021 is, the rise times are insanely high:

https://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/Notebooks/Apple/MacBook_Pro_14_2021_M1_Pro_Entry/bw_new.png

can you 3840 pixel speed and 240px separation?
This is my ultrafine 4K 21.5"

 

[ASX]

https://abload.de/img/950gu2k2e.jpg

LG 34GP950G

I think you have focused the ufo on your photo to much. Normally 60 hz are not so sharp, its massive blurry. Your sharp ufo looks like it shown on an oled with 120 hz.

Even on a fast ips panel which yours isn't 60 hz looks like this:

https://forums.blurbusters.com/download/file.php?id=1297

 

[Ploki]

https://abload.de/img/950gu2k2e.jpg

LG 34GP950G

I think you have focused the ufo on your photo to much. Normally 60 hz are not so sharp, its massive blurry. Your sharp ufo looks like it shown on an oled with 120 hz.

Even on a fast ips panel which yours isn't 60 hz looks like this:

https://forums.blurbusters.com/download/file.php?id=1297

You're absolutely right, i screwed up shutter speed. 1/15 now (4 times 60hz as per instructions)

 

[Ploki]

looks worse than the 120Hz on the macbooks. But still, i think they should've matched screen response time to refresh rate of the system. Makes no sense to not do so. Kind of wasted frames that way.

 

[DMG35]

This has to be the most time anyone has ever dedicated to a laptop that they don’t like and returned for a refund.

 

[ASX]

I consider to buy a M1 Max. Maybe it can handle my browser tabs better. The delay of the pro model when using more than 20 tabs was insane.

I liked some aspects of the m1 pro, the noise, the static image of the display (especially hdr), the speakers and the battery life.

It would be a suitable backup office/movie notebook for me. But if m1 max has the same problems in terms of web browsing like the m1 pro and scratches out of the box + pixel failures iam really done with it. But i consider to sell it to an Apple fan boy. In Germany this laptops have shortage, you cant get it before january, without a crawler. So i can make some extra money with it .

 

[nightoftune]

Here is a new Test from Notebookcheck (Pretty good reviewers).

Seams like response time is super slow (Slower than 99% of all tested devices) but ghosting is not that bad. Also they say that competitors are also not good. I think we have to stop thinking that this is a 120HZ gaming monitor but thats no excuse. Its still a slow panel but a good display and i would love to hack it to 1000 nits sustained brightness.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...-do-you-get-with-the-base-model.576665.0.html

@ASX please do not post things that are not true. In germany Apple delivers on 07.12 ATM if you buy now, the big retailers like jensenlenz are also delivering and on kleinanzeigen (classifieds) there multiple 14 inch base models that are available for under price. I really dont know why (i think there all bought on finance and now they are trying to liquidate it).

 

[leman]

High end displays all have slow response time. You have to trade something for color accuracy and overall image quality. These new displays are top notch. And yes, they are "real" 120hz. It's not Apple's problem that OP does not understand how displays work.

If you only care about fast pixel response and not that much about color accuracy or color range, buy a gaming display. These are optimized for response times.

 

[ASX]

@nightoftune

I mean the M1 max model, which is no where available . When you sell it now, without any stock the Apple fans will buy it, regardless is 200 -300 Euros overpriced.

@leman

the lcd layer isn't high end. I compared the color output with my fast nano ips display. The colors are the same. Only the fald backlight is special.

They are "real" because it's set by the software from time to time ?. Please read the thread again. Maybe you understand the issue with this displays better then .

 

[carl varley]

@nightoftune

I mean the M1 max model, which is no where available . When you sell it now, without any stock the Apple fans will buy it, regardless is 200 -300 Euros overpriced.

@leman

the lcd layer isn't high end. I compared the color output with my fast nano ips display. The colors are the same. Only the fald backlight is special.

They are "real" because it's set by the software from time to time ?. Please read the thread again. Maybe you understand the issue with this displays better then .

Please do us all a favour and do not buy this Mac. You'll only come here and complain it's no good at gaming, is rubbish at making cups of tea and other irrelevant stuff. Get the gaming PC that you really want. It'll have a low latency high refresh screen you want, it'll play games and maybe, just maybe you'll be happy and not spend days upon days complaining.

 

[ASX]

I bought it 3 times. M1 Pro 14" 8c cpu 14c gpu, 500 gb ssd, M1 Pro 14" 10c cpu 16c gpu, 1000 gb ssd, M1 Pro 16" 10c cpu 16c gpu, 1000 gb ssd. I send all back.

If this gaming laptops would have the mini led backlight with 2600 dimming zones i would buy it straight away. As i said the only cool thing about this display of the m1 mbp 2021.

 

[Mockletoy]

This really bums me out, but it's about what I expected after seeing reviews of the new 12.9" iPad screen.

My workflow requires me to spend sometimes hours at a time scrolling through text, jumping back and forth, making edits and moving on. That eventually makes me super queasy on sluggish screens. It's like a (usually) milder form of being carsick, something else I've been blessed with my whole life.

I was really hoping Apple would finally release a machine with a snappy screen, but the response times on these new displays makes it feel like you're scrolling through mud.

 

[leman]

@leman

the lcd layer isn't high end. I compared the color output with my fast nano ips display. The colors are the same. Only the fald backlight is special.

With all due respect, I'd rather trust professional display reviewers on this. So far, all reviews I've seen appear to agree that the new Macs have color accuracy and contrast on par or better with some of the best workstations on the market (such as HP DreamColor laptops which are widely regarded as having the best laptop display). Again, all high-end professional laptop displays have slow response times. It's part of the package. If you don't like it, buy something else.

 

[ASX]

"Professional display reviewers" which are mostly influencers .I have tested so much displays, most of the reviewers haven't shown most of the obvious failures i and other users have noticed. They are incompetent or they are paid by manufacturers. The standard measurements are correct, but the reviews are incomplete. Missing out many keypoints.

And this mbp panel is only 8 bit + frc nothing professional.

 

[nightoftune]

The funny thing is that i have two high end gaming monitors with 165Hz and a good panel but also had an m1 air and was not bothered at all with slow response times. I also have old 60Hz monitors for my workstation. I know some people would cringe if they had a fast and a slow one side by side.

 

[ASX]

Which high end gaming monitors?

 

[nightoftune]

"High End" for me. MSI Optix MAG274QRFDE-QD. Maybe i am not that sensible.

 

[ASX]

Ok, this AUO panels are not as fast as lg ones. For me too much smear. Tested this panel and the 240 hz variant of the XG27AQM. My LG 34GP950G is faster. But it has the newest ips variant + native g-sync with variable overdrive which is making adaptive sync much smoother.

34GP950G:

https://www.rtings.com/assets/pages/7OpJdXMa/tables-max-fast-large.jpg

MSI MAG274QRF:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/JcqnLJuV/tables-max-fast-large.jpg

In my opinion the most annoying thing about this AUO panel variants is the coating. It has a soapy look (too much haze). Not nearly as sharp as lg's coating.

 

[UBS28]

Apple should switch back to Samsung. My Samsung 4K TV can do 120 hz at super low latency.

 

[ASX]

Samsung is not producing this newer miniled panels. They are from Innolux (ips/va) and AUO (va). In case of va they are not fast:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/products/6nHKy9gk/samsung-qn90a-qled/motion-blur-large.jpg

 

[alFR]

I have tested so much displays, most of the reviewers haven't shown most of the obvious failures i and other users have noticed.

I'm sure you'll be happy to post links to your published reviews to back that up, won't you? And I don't mean random forum posts, I mean actual editorial reviews. Otherwise you're just a random forum guy saying all the people who review screens for a living don't know what they are doing, but he does.

 

[ASX]

Thats the problem, they do it for their living (makes them very accessible for corruption, ads and patreon memberships are not enough) and they are also using limited tests which are not suitable for detecting all flaws of this monitors .