M1 Macbook Pro 2021 "120 hz" mini led display very slow, 120 hz are fake, old lcd technology!

[Broko Fankone]

500 nits for SDR was already known from the XDR display.



Okay.



In 2021, we don't have cameras that record 24fps and 30fps videos anymore, right? Because... oh wait...



And absolutely nobody using a MacBook cares about 24fps or 30fps videos. Got it!

Ooooh, right, it was IMPLIED because a different Apple product existed. And so they can completely overlook it during the presentation, and present as if the screen reaches 1600 nits in HDR, and 1000 nits in non-HDR. Oh, wait... Okay. (You are becoming more and more hilarious with every following comment btw, thank you for this entertainment).

24fps cameras? Right, the Macbook is meant for those 100 film studios, not for consumers who... put videos on Youtube on... 60fps? Nah, the film studios are larger in numbers. Oh, wait...Maybe they... aren't? Okay.

"And absolutely nobody using a MacBook cares about 24fps or 30fps videos. Got it!" Is that your argument about how your 24fps stutter test... stutters... on my slow screen MBP from 2020? Okay. Slow macbook screens have existed for ever and 24fps looks just as bad on them as it does now. This whole argument is kinda full of it.

Not even going to comment on your "Okay" about failing to apologise for literally quoting other users when referring to me.

Please, cut it out. You've expressed your abilities and knowledge already and we've seen what it is. I don't have anything else to say to you.

99% of Apple consumers are film makers working with 24fps for the cinema, we got that right! Don't worry. You totally understand their demographic.

P.S. 24fps movies look fantastic on my 1ms monitor. I guess it's that end credits full of text where there could be stutter? Shame, I hope I have a 3500$ machine with 60ms response times one day so I can enjoy the credits more.

 

[ASX]

Everyone can rate the hdr advantage of the macbook pro 2021. How many times do you use hdr content?

I use it max. 1 - 2 times a month, for a movie, how important is this for me then? Would i take all negatives because of this 1 positive for my daily usage?

The hdr is a nice to have gimmick, but nothing which is dominating my decision.

I use the Ipad Pro 2021 12.9" very rare. For my daily video watching etc. i use a Xiaomi Mi 11. Because the Oled screen looks much better. Even my iphone 13 Pro is mostly used for photos. It's sitting the the most time in a drawer.

 

[Ploki]

From a reasonable distance there is no difference, and my eyes aren't old, im wearing no glasses. 109 ppi are very good. Nothing bad about. I don't think you have ever seen such a monitor.

My smartphone has over 500 ppi, how bad the macbook is? Who will use such useless arguments? Only people who have none.

sorry but 109ppi is ****.
I can tell the difference between 220ppi of my 21.5" ultrafine and a 27" 4K 163ppi philips my gf has in the other room.
I could work with 27" 163ppi, looks good @2x, but 108ppi, no. You'd need to be 1 meter away to look as good as 163 or 220ppi.

Everyone can rate the hdr advantage of the macbook pro 2021. How many times do you use hdr content?

I use it max. 1 - 2 times a month, for a movie, how important is this for me then? Would i take all negatives because of this 1 positive for my daily usage?

The hdr is a nice to have gimmick, but nothing which is dominating my decision.

I use the Ipad Pro 2021 12.9" very rare. For my daily video watching etc. i use a Xiaomi Mi 11. Because the Oled screen looks much better. Even my iphone 13 Pro is mostly used for photos. It's sitting the the most time in a drawer.

I absolutely despise pentile displays and they will never ever look better than RGB to me. I never liked them on iphones. Can wait till they switch iphones to minileds

 

[ASX]

You must have superman eyes to see one single pixel on a 109 ppi monitor on a distance of 70 cm.
I have seen a lot (nearly all 2560 x 1440, 3440 x 1440, 3840 x 1600, 3840 x 2160, 5120 x 2160, 5120 x 1440 pc monitor models from 2015 - 2021) monitors (up to ~250 ppi, laptop displays ) and can only smirk about your comment. Because im so deep in monitor technology. It's my favourite matter. Haven't seen anyone who has this overall experience. But maybe nobody is so crazy and testing nearly every new monitor and selecting it to get the best homogenity, less blb and without any qc issue . Im since years on the search for the best monitor. So i bought the Macbook Pro and Ipad Pro 2021 12.9" mostly for hdr experience. I had tried PG32UQX 11 times but the qc was to bad for me. Every unit had bad homogenity or/and dust/dirt inside the screen and some on top pixel failures. The Macbook Pro needed only 4 trys. But only 2 because of the screen uniformity.

The problem about your high pixel density is the upscaling to have big enough text and icons. If the text or icons are to small the native resolution is for nothing.

Because of this a 109 ppi display isn't much a difference compared with 163 ppi.

Also the coating is relevant for sharp image. You can have a very high pixel density if the coating has to much haze, the image will not be sharp . And finally the pixel rendering. If this has artifacts your will have a bad sharpness. Examples are Samsung sva or bgr subpixellayout.

 

[warfed]

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So, turns out I play games at 120hz and I know, guys.

Might be helpful to also add the comments from the source of those response times

"Subjectively, we can say that ghosting is not as noticeable as on Windows laptops with similarly slow response times. Maybe the ghosting is somewhat reduced by the 120 Hz refresh rate."

and

"The new display is really amazing, and it is definitely one of the best panels you can currently get."

Apple MacBook Pro 14 2021 M1 Pro Laptop in Review: How much "Pro" do you get with the base model?

Notebookcheck reviews the brand-new Apple MacBook Pro 14 with the M1 Pro CPU, 16 GB RAM, Liquid Retina XDR-Display with 120 Hz and improved speakers.

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[Broko Fankone]

Might be helpful to also add the comments from the source of those response times

"Subjectively, we can say that ghosting is not as noticeable as on Windows laptops with similarly slow response times. Maybe the ghosting is somewhat reduced by the 120 Hz refresh rate."

and

"The new display is really amazing, and it is definitely one of the best panels you can currently get."

Apple MacBook Pro 14 2021 M1 Pro Laptop in Review: How much "Pro" do you get with the base model?

Notebookcheck reviews the brand-new Apple MacBook Pro 14 with the M1 Pro CPU, 16 GB RAM, Liquid Retina XDR-Display with 120 Hz and improved speakers.

www.notebookcheck.net

There is no comment that can sugar coat these response times. They are, simply put, what they are.

The panel is beautiful and the 120hz capabilities help. Overall, the machines look impressive. The CPUs beating top of the line intel and AMD processors in single core is very impressive. Those are desktop models and this is a laptop. The whole thread became much more than it really is - a statement that the slow response times are not a good thing, and such premium machines will only benefit from faster screens. If the screen is so beautiful, has high refresh rate, and is also fast, it would be much closer to perfect. But it's not - due to the slowness. I found it funny that certain users are so misguided, that they would go as far as to defend these slow response times.

But none of that will change the facts - the timings are very high (close to 60ms gray to gray is extremely slow). This doesn't mean it's impossible to enjoy the screen. It's just a technical aspect of it which is what it is.

Personally, I purchased my first MBP to force myself to spend more time on music and be more creative and productive, since having a specced-out PC kind of invites to you spend a lot of time gaming. For the same reasons, I might even consider buying the new Macbook 14, although first I'd like to see it in person at the store and see how I feel while using it for a while there. This doesn't change the fact that it would've been so much better if these beautiful screens were actually decently fast. Like 10-15ms would've been so much better. Not even asking for 1ms or anything close to it.

 

[carl varley]

I prefer 30, 60 fps videos much more than 24 fps. We are living in 2021 not in the area of dvd's.

@bill-p

How do you would do color accurate work if you can't disable the fald? Calibration on a fald screen, have fun.

The vast majority of movies are shot at 24fps still in 2021. Same as DVDs.

 

[carl varley]

There is no comment that can sugar coat these response times. They are, simply put, what they are.

The panel is beautiful and the 120hz capabilities help. Overall, the machines look impressive. The CPUs beating top of the line intel and AMD processors in single core is very impressive. Those are desktop models and this is a laptop. The whole thread became much more than it really is - a statement that the slow response times are not a good thing, and such premium machines will only benefit from faster screens. If the screen is so beautiful, has high refresh rate, and is also fast, it would be much closer to perfect. But it's not - due to the slowness. I found it funny that certain users are so misguided, that they would go as far as to defend these slow response times.

But none of that will change the facts - the timings are very high (close to 60ms gray to gray is extremely slow). This doesn't mean it's impossible to enjoy the screen. It's just a technical aspect of it which is what it is.

Personally, I purchased my first MBP to force myself to spend more time on music and be more creative and productive, since having a specced-out PC kind of invites to you spend a lot of time gaming. For the same reasons, I might even consider buying the new Macbook 14, although first I'd like to see it in person at the store and see how I feel while using it for a while there. This doesn't change the fact that it would've been so much better if these beautiful screens were actually decently fast. Like 10-15ms would've been so much better. Not even asking for 1ms or anything close to it.

Well argued! Good to hear it put in such an accessible way. I just feel the the OP although may have a valid argument, in this thread and another his statement appear to just be trolling these new machine to get a rise out of some excited Mac users. These new computers are after all what we have been looking forward to since 2016.

I also believe that these screens and computers as a whole are brand new tech which will improve year on year like all tech does.

 

[ASX]

It will improve year on year?

Im not trolling, only telling the truth. If some users are blind for the truth and whitewashing their purchase, it's not my fault .

You have not be friend with some strangers. All matters to tell what is going on with this machines. If it's in someones favour or not.

If another manufacturer would release such a slow panel and its not in a Apple product, everybody would cry. The apple brand defenders closing their eyes because it's from Apple.

When you would say: "I don't care about response times, motion blur, smearing, stuttering and 120 hz." It would be fine, it's your choice. But whitewashing of problems is not ok.

Im not fanboy of any company. That's the difference. I would never buy a brand because of the name. Apple is for me no status symbol. For me it's all about performance.

 

[Broko Fankone]

Yeah, those are fair points @ASX. And they mirror what I was trying to say about subjective and objective statements. Someone claiming they can enjoy a game at 24fps is subjective - their own experience is their own and they have a right to that experience. Someone claiming 24fps is enough for gaming is objectively wrong - it does not apply to anyone else besides the person claiming it. Imagine if video cards stopped getting better because one guy thought we don't need more fps. Imagine if they didn't make 300+ Hz monitors because one guy thought 60Hz, or even 30Hz is enough. Quite absurd, and gladly not the case in the actual reality.

The same thing goes for the response times of a screen. Many - if not most - don't care about it and are used to slow screens if they have been heavily using slow screens in the past until now. You need to go out of your way to look for fast screens when picking a monitor, or a laptop (fast screens are usually on gaming models - and that's not always the case! Plenty of gaming laptops have slow screens). And you also need to know that you actually want a fast screen to begin with (best achieved by using one for a while and getting used to it).

But Apple did move to 120Hz, which is the right direction. I see a big improvement there and a very welcome change. Users that think 60Hz is enough are hopefully going to be reduced to a silent minority soon enough, and then be completely nonexistent, as they should be. These are major quality of life improvements. Not "on the side" upgrades that you don't really need, but objectively great improvements. Like a car with smooth suspension feels better than a car with a rigid one where you feel each bump on the road as a punch to your body. I simply believe response times are also more on the major side of improvements and hope Apple will start working on that with the future generations. It will really push the laptops that much further into the top.

Currently, there is no argument that the new models are a huge upgrade compared to the Intel models. If you are an exclusive Apple user, then the new models are the best you can get, hands down, no argument there. Or the 2020 M1 models if you prefer battery over performance. I'm a hybrid user and can always lean into either Windows or macOS, but despite of that I still want to see Apple products improve and be really good. I also want to see Intel succeed and catch up - more on that below.

There are numerous upsides to Macbooks. And, of course, there could be even more in the future. It's important for consumers to know that asking for more, or asking for the very best is in their favour and best interest. Defending any kind of drawback as if you are advocating for a trillion-dollar corporation is a phenomenon, one that is inexplicable logically if you ask me. Really weird and nonsensical. Trust me, Apple do not need your defense. They have trillions of dollars to defend themselves with. Defend yourself and your interest, don't settle for almost best, instead strive for the actual best, and maybe you will get it one day.

Undoubtedly, the M1 generation has opened the doors to a new era and has already resulted in Intel creating their first modern, hybrid CPU with power + efficiency cores. And we are already seeing the 12th gen i5 surpass the current price-to-performance leading models from AMD.

Understand that all of these brands doing good is also good for the consumer. If Intel does good, or even better than Apple, then Apple is pressured to outdo themselves in order to be competitive. If Apple is doing good, then Intel and AMD are pressured to do better, and so on. Do you get my point? Loving one brand and hating another brand is ridiculous, mostly because it's doing you only harm. The best thing is for these brands to all do good and really, really compete hard with each other with the sole purpose to win you as a customer and to produce the best technology available. Don't defend Apple blindly over anything they ever do, it's only doing harm. (By you, i'm not targeting anyone, just using it generally, this applies to anyone)

 

[ASX]

Apple is only intersting as a standalone device for people who are only working with their tools. For others who have a wider usecase it's defintely the wrong device. I bought it only because i needed a silent mobile device with longer battery life @ office. I wouldn't think about mostly or only using macos.

I don't think there is a real competition between apple, amd and intel. Apple is not producing universal hardware. Only for me and other consumers boring use cases, mac os with it's cutting and rendering programs. But some consumers use this devices really as a status symbol . For me they are no status symbols. Usual mass production hardware. In my opinion Apple devices have a negative touch. Because it's a golden cage, many are associating Apple with something for people who are arrogant and have not enough it knowledge so they need this pre-chewed operating systems .

I use my iphone 13 pro only for photos. Would never run around with this phone. It's embrassing for me. Same for this macbook. Would only use it alone, not in public. I like understatement, im no bogan.

 

[Ploki]

I prefer 30, 60 fps videos much more than 24 fps. We are living in 2021 not in the area of dvd's.

@bill-p

How do you would do color accurate work if you can't disable the fald? Calibration on a fald screen, have fun.

u wot?
60fps movies look horrible. Who the hell watches that. there was an outrage when hobbit was released at 50fps because it looks weird. cinema look and all that. i even record my iphone at 24fps by default.

The mbp 2021 is also stuttering when slowly scrolling with the up and down keys. And he complains about possible stuttering of 24 fps videos.

Read this.

it's a first gen. when i bought first gen retina mac (2012) it had a few glitches and kinks and couple of months in it was perfect - and had it for 7 years then, and it still works flawlessly.

 

[J.Gallardo]

Apple is only intersting as a standalone device for people who are only working with their tools. For others who have a wider usecase it's defintely the wrong device. I bought it only because i needed a silent mobile device with longer battery life @ office. I wouldn't think about mostly or only using macos.

I don't think there is a real competition between apple, amd and intel. Apple is not producing universal hardware. Only for me and other consumers boring use cases, mac os with it's cutting and rendering programs. But some consumers use this devices really as a status symbol . For me they are no status symbols. Usual mass production hardware. In my opinion Apple devices have a negative touch. Because it's a golden cage, many are associating Apple with something for people who are arrogant and have not enough it knowledge so they need this pre-chewed operating systems .

I use my iphone 13 pro only for photos. Would never run around with this phone. It's embrassing for me. Same for this macbook. Would only use it alone, not in public. I like understatement, im no bogan.

Ok.

I finally understand: this thread is not an analysis about new MacBooks screen specs.
This is some “psychology thing” and the description of personal attitudes and ideological positioning… It’s ok for me.
But I miss a pair of posts from someone(s) who works with video or animation… some posted possible alternative portable screens that would do better in a laptop, some use comparisons with external fast screens… When I read here some “superb monitor” naming, I check it and it’s NO RETINA! E.g. Or gives 300nits! E.g. It’s a waste of time.

Ok. , we know, now, that this is not an ideal machine for gaming (oh, Apple, what a missed opportunity!!) but I guess the specs of these new screens are a calculated compromise to offer a productive machine; I imagine these laptops can cope with professional exigencies. (But a lot of noise makes difficult for me to form a clear idea).
The essence of the mourning seems not too serious, and it looks like you have to play Fortnite to discover the evil in these screens.
Ok then.

 

[Sheepish-Lord]

Want to start by saying I'm a big fan of ProMotion especially on the iPhone as I feel it's even smoother than on an iPad Pro most likely due to the OLED response times vs miniLED/lcd.

Sadly I was at a store today that had both new MBP sizes and the old MBP lined up in a row. I already knew the ProMotion issues that existed in Safari but I **** you not, the non-ProMotion display was actually better than the ProMotion one presumably due to the issues. So I scrolled in the Music app which is supposed to work and honestly it was extremely hard to tell and I'm pretty sensitive to motion especially with my ProMotion phone in hand. Lastly, I manually put it in 60hz and it was more fluid similar to the old MBP but when in ProMotion it was a juddering mess. Personally I felt ProMotion was broke in the entire UI not just Safari. Will definitely be curious if Apple acknowledges this.

 

[ASX]

It's stuttering because Apples "ProMotion" is setting the wrong refresh rate. It's out of sync with the refresh rate of the app. Seen this also for some Android apps. Buts it's far less stuttering. The "promotion stuttering" of the macbook pro 2021 is very frequently. Every few seconds while scrolling.

Also drops in hz from one moment to another will cause stuttering. Apple is pretty incompetent releasing a product with this bad adjustments.

 

[aohus]

The vast majority of movies are shot at 24fps still in 2021. Same as DVDs.

movies in 24hz doesn't imply ghosting however. i have an OLED that does 24p with little to no judder/ghosting. response time isn't the same as refresh rate. response time has to do with GTG/MPRT response times, and with this generation of MBP's its pretty bad, confirmed via notebookcheck using equipment to measure it.

even when watching 24p / 30/60fps content on youtube the ghosting/smearing is noticeable and cannot unsee it, panning /action scenes in particular.

i will wait for a higher nit SDR and improved response times. I will most likely return the MBP. I just can't justify the price for a display that has faults in it.

i'm hoping next year's panel will have improved response times.

 

[skripter888]

Just for your info: Some apps do not support 120Hz yet (Safari included).
Just try some Hz tester online website and you’ll see these 120Hz in action.
Regards.
Nika.

 

[neeeeeek]

I'm not trying to defend apple, I have lots of problems with them and don't use their products exclusively. I just honestly don't understand why the small number of people who actually notice/care about higher than 60hz displays assume everyone needs to live in 120hz+ land. Honest and accurate criticism is a good thing. But claiming that a slow response rate makes a panel have a lower refresh rate is inaccurate. The new Panel is absolutely capable of 120hz, but it also will ghost if you wildly drag around a window like the above reviewer. Both can be true. It's more than ok to mention that you're disappointed by the slow response rate and call for an improvement and more awareness of the issue. But to pretend that it therefore invalidates the monitor's refresh rate and attack anyone who points out that you're factually incorrect is not helpful or constructive. Even with the potential for ghosting, these panels are almost certainly the best on any laptop on sale today for almost every use case. I'm sorry the ghosting comes up in your everyday life and is a problem, I guess you should wait for the Mac Mini Pro and use a super fast response gaming monitor.

As for gaming fps needs, it depends so much on the game, and I'm not one to play an online competitive shooter, more likely some sort of strategy, simulation, or tycoon style game with the occasional 1st/3rd person action or role playing game thrown in. All of those work perfectly well at frame rates well under 60fps and only the more action oriented games suffer any playability issues in the teens and 20s (seriously, tell me how something like Civilization is harder to play at 22fps than 122). I still target 60fps, but I'd prefer 4k 50-60fps to lowering quality and resolution to hit rock solid 60 or 120 or 144hz when I grew up playing games at 15-30 fps. It's not that more fps isn't better, it's that it's not enough better to be worth the cost and quality downgrades to make it happen.

I can make my Mac's screen ghost. I can also make my ">5ns" external displays driven by a windows machine ghost just as badly. There's only a few people doing work/gaming that actually makes this apparent in day to day use. I'm not saying that's a reason not to make better displays, or hold a manufacturer accountable when they make something subpar, just that in 99% of workloads the new MBP's display will be the best display on any laptop bar none. We can acknowledge that the response time is slower than ideal, while still saying it doesn't actually matter and the screen is still great overall. Nothing about a slow response time limits the refresh rate of the panel. There's a kernel of valid criticism here, but you really do come off as a troll just ******** on everything and everyone else unless they are 100% in agreement. I have seen plenty of fast OLED displays, including the one I use everyday on my iPhone13 Pro, and in my use, I don't see it as any better than my new MBP display. Notice I said "in my use," I can force scenarios where you can tell the differences, but they don't come up in what use the machines for. And, the new panel is without a doubt miles ahead of any other LCD I have ever used. Should a pro Gamer us it? No, probably not. And it's worth noting that in case it helps someone make the right call for themselves, but it doesn't make everyone else 'sheep' or 'idiots' or 'blind' for not having a workflow or use case that makes the slow response rate an issue.

Lmao, or you could just not use safari! Pro motion is NOT SUPPORTED. yet....

ProMotion is not fully working out of the box in e.g. Safari, Chrome etc.

This is so bizarre. I just got my new high-end 16" MBP, and yep - ProMotion is not fully working out of the box. It's on MacOS 12.0, so will be updating to 12.0.1 to see if it fixes it. Now, before anyone says anything, yes, - ProMotion IS working when moving windows around etc. It's super...

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[HylianKnight]

I want to chime in here. First, does anyone know of a display panel that has the specs of the new Liquid Retina XDR on these MacBooks (1,000,000:1 contrast, P3 color gamut, etc.) AND fast response times?
When creating a display, I think a company needs to decide who the display is meant for and then determine what features are most important to that group. These computers have never really been marketed to gamers or people that typically care about fast response times.

Then you get to cost. I honestly don’t know enough about the production cost of display panels, but I imagine that the specs of the display as is would still have a high retail price if made on its own, even by a different company. Adding in fast response times would likely have a noticeable effect on the price. I see some gaming monitors cost nearly as much as the base model M1 MBPs.

Buying a computer is a reasonably personal decision based on individual wants and needs. No computer is perfect, but perhaps there is a reason for this particular imperfection. In any case, I see no issue with calling out flaws. I think that we can all do so without degrading people for their buying decision.

 

[J.Gallardo]

I want to chime in here. First, does anyone know of a display panel that has the specs of the new Liquid Retina XDR on these MacBooks (1,000,000:1 contrast, P3 color gamut, etc.) AND fast response times?
When creating a display, I think a company needs to decide who the display is meant for and then determine what features are most important to that group. These computers have never really been marketed to gamers or people that typically care about fast response times.

Then you get to cost. I honestly don’t know enough about the production cost of display panels, but I imagine that the specs of the display as is would still have a high retail price if made on its own, even by a different company. Adding in fast response times would likely have a noticeable effect on the price. I see some gaming monitors cost nearly as much as the base model M1 MBPs.

Buying a computer is a reasonably personal decision based on individual wants and needs. No computer is perfect, but perhaps there is a reason for this particular imperfection. In any case, I see no issue with calling out flaws. I think that we can all do so without degrading people for their buying decision.

…After reading along this thread, and wanting to know about a similar display, RETINA display, as the overacted mourning included a lot of HALF resolution (fix: sit farther ), and searching around the web, I can’t find a similar superb screen other than LG 27MD5KL Ultrafine, though it’s not so bright, it’s “faster”.
But I think it’s almost impossible to find (in my country at least).
At the end, the truth is that these macbook screens are unique and top notch.

I’ve lost my time reading just to discover that some people are screaming because these sport cars are lower and can bump against curbs easier !!

 

[jtopp]

Good for you you are happy with a advertised 120 hz screen which is acting like a 20 - 60 hz screen if you paid 3850 Euros (minimum). Best apple customer. Im not this lemming buyer who will eat everything faulty i get served.

For example I bought my first apple iphone (13 Pro) when apple get rid of this crappy 60 hz screens. Before i never bought any iphone. Because it's hardware was not up to date. 60 hz for such a high price tag. They must be crazy.

Naw you're just a complainy little brat. Buy something, if you do not like it then return it. What level of OCD can a person have to have for it to be considered a mental illness? Which MacBook Pro did you have that you are setting such a high bar for perfection? Ive owned MacBooks since the switch from PPC to intel and yeah every model has some complaint from the 17", to the first rmbp to the butterfly keyboard fiasco but the jump between the first 16" to the M1 16" has been awesome.

You might want to go to have you're vision checked. At age 40 they say everyones vision declines dramatically.

The 16" M1 Max I'm typing on is pretty amazing especially coming from the old intel 16".

 

[jabbr]

I wonder if it's even currently possible to have an LCD display this good with lower response times? Is it really just a cost issue?

You can't compare it to OLED because it's a completely different technology. Can you have great color accuracy AND brightness AND a low response time? Is there a notebook with a better panel?

 

[cardfan]

Lmao, or you could just not use safari! Pro motion is NOT SUPPORTED. yet....

ProMotion is not fully working out of the box in e.g. Safari, Chrome etc.

This is so bizarre. I just got my new high-end 16" MBP, and yep - ProMotion is not fully working out of the box. It's on MacOS 12.0, so will be updating to 12.0.1 to see if it fixes it. Now, before anyone says anything, yes, - ProMotion IS working when moving windows around etc. It's super...

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Sounds strange. Why wouldn’t apples own browser support their own hardware?

 

[metapunk2077fail]

You never stop do you?

Why not just return for a refund?

There's nothing to refund.

He thinks people are so dumb that they don't know rapidly moving objects leave some ghosting. What happens when I shake my hand in front of my face? Ghosting. Should I go back to the hospital where I was born and ask for a non-ghosting hand? ?

External displays and televisions have faster response times because they are plugged in. Laptop displays usually have slower response times to increase battery life.

 

[leman]

I wonder if it's even currently possible to have an LCD display this good with lower response times? Is it really just a cost issue?

I’m sure you can, but not at this energy consumption levels, so not in a laptop.