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J.Gallardo

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Me too. Which in this case is you. I have literally written none of what you claimed I have about the statistic. I only posted the screenshot of the averaging out.

I also really can't stand obnoxious people who make presumptions, for some reason thinking they know who they are talking to personally. Which again, would be you.
We can not know what you posted, as you have edited your post after I commented it. :rolleyes:
And yes, I am I. Sorry about that.
Forget my bad education, please; (I’m not native English speaker).

Accept the challenge?: please, a screen in a laptop with better global specs would be wonderful to know.
 
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Broko Fankone

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We can not know what you posted, as you have edited your post after I commented it. :rolleyes:
And yes, I am I. Sorry about that.
Forget my bad education, please; (I’m not native English speaker).

Accept the challenge?: please, a screen in a laptop with better global specs would be wonderful to know.
My post that you claim I edited "after your post" was made at:
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My edit:
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Your post:
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Conclusion? Clumsy at reading and math?

On your last comment, again you are confused it seems. This thread is about the specs of the new Macbook lineup. Not about comparing it to other products. Maybe you should make your own thread given that you are having such a hard time finding your way into this one and so far have contributed nothing but confusing posts with faulty claims and accusations which I have now proven wrong.
 

J.Gallardo

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If I ask for better specced laptop screens, is just because I’m interested!

Forget the persons, please tie to the subject: MacBooks have slow response time screen. And we could suppose the technology is chosen favoring other specs, as resolution or brightness (the subject: screen specs).

I would like to know if faster screens loose in other areas, and how much. I found interesting to know about this “slow response” thing… but the logical question could be, What screen should Macbooks equip? What’s in the market?

I don’t mind who answers, at all. I’m asking for a comparable or better screen.
Really.
 
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hefeglass

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Besides gaming what exactly do you need a fast response time for? I get that these are horribly slow panels for gaming, but they are great for viewing HDR content and doing video editing and other productivity tasks. Last I checked apple didnt make gaming laptops..so why would they have a gaming display? And if you want to take advantage of the power in the new laptops and do some gaming, you can always attach it to a nice fast external monitor. I think apple made certain choices based on their customer base.
 
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bolognese

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Besides gaming what exactly do you need a fast response time for? I get that these are horribly slow panels for gaming, but they are great for viewing HDR content and doing video editing and other productivity tasks. Last I checked apple didnt make gaming laptops..so why would they have a gaming display? And if you want to take advantage of the power in the new laptops and do some gaming, you can always attach it to a nice fast external monitor. I think apple made certain choices based on their customer base.
hey, it's not about you need fast response times to complete tasks. It's just a matter of comfort, pleasantness of usage. The smearing I've experienced today reminded me of some of the early LCDs after the CRTs era. The panel is really bad in this department for today's standards. The smearing irritated me even when I was just moving windows.
Anyway, why you guys are putting the issue down to just gaming? It's just sad to use a panel as blurry as this when in motion.
 

Broko Fankone

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If I ask for better specced laptop screens, is just because I’m interested!

Forget the persons, please tie to the subject: MacBooks have slow response time screen. And we could suppose the technology is chosen favoring other specs, as resolution or brightness (the subject: screen specs).

I would like to know if faster screens loose in other areas, and how much. I found interesting to know about this “slow response” thing… but the logical question could be, What screen should Macbooks equip? What’s in the market?

I don’t mind who answers, at all. I’m asking for a comparable or better screen.
Really.

They should use FALD screens. There you go.

Here is an example description of one new gaming FALD monitor:

Gaming displays with full-array local dimming (FALD) backlighting based on Mini LEDs have traditionally been very expensive since such a backlighting module is hard to make. But sooner or later almost every premium technology becomes cheaper and this is where it gets wider adoption. This week AOC introduced the industry's first gaming monitor with a Mini LED FALD that will be priced below $1000.

As its model number implies, the AOC Agon Pro AG274QXM measures 27 inches diagonally and has a QHD resolution of 2560 x 1440 pixels. The LCD uses an IPS panel with FALD backlighting via 576 LEDs that provide up to 600 nits luminance typically and up to 1000 nits in HDR mode to achieve VESA's DisplayHDR 1000 certification. To make the monitor more appealing to gamers, it supports a 1ms GtG response time as well as dynamic refresh rate between 48 Hz and 170 Hz enabled by Adaptive-Sync variable refresh rate technology with AMD's FreeSync Premium Pro with low latency and low framerate compensation (LFC) on top (needs to be AMD certified).

The panel used by the Agon Pro AG274QXM can display 1.07 billion colors and covers 98% of the DCI-P3 color space. The LCD also supports the AdobeRGB, sRGB, and NTSC color gamuts. To ensure fine colors in overly lit rooms and to keep prying eyes off your screen in LAN tournaments, the monitor can be equipped with a special hood.

You think there is nowhere to go? That you can't get any better than these XDR screens?

I would absolutely sacrifice a little bit of HDR-only brightness for better specs in all other regards. Plus, these macbook screens are 600 nits when no HDR is displayed. How often do you think you use HDR? 100% of the time?

The FALD tech obviously allows for 1ms response times. I see no reason to pretend it's not possible for macbooks to have actually the best screens. They are already stupid expensive. They should have the very best screens.

And please, stop believing that quick response times are for gaming. They benefit the user in all other aspects. Simply scrolling this forum feels miles ahead better on a fast screen that it does on a slow one.

Why are you not making the same argument for 120Hz? Isn't high refresh rate best for gaming? No? You are loving it on your new macbook? Well, you will love faster response times too.

I am using an iPhone 12 Pro, for example. Apple have mastered the 60hz technology on iPhones. 60hz iPhones feel faster and more responsive than all Android 60Hz phones (partly due to the 120hz refresh rate of touch sensor). But I tried a 13 Pro once and the 120hz screen blew me away. It is not only 120hz, it is also very fast:
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It feels so good, that I want to sell my 12 Pro and get a 13 Pro just for the screen improvement.

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Does this roundup look better to you? Or you prefer the 100% one?

I want that in Macbooks too. Is it so hard to imagine?
 
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bolognese

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Why are you not making the same argument for 120Hz? Isn't high refresh rate best for gaming? No? You are loving it on your new macbook? Well, you will love faster response times too.
so true

WHAT DO YOU NEED 120Hz for guys? You shouldn't care! You don't need it, right?

I'm wondering why all of the sudden G4M3RS are so interested in the Macbook Pro? ?
 

hefeglass

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hey, it's not about you need fast response times to complete tasks. It's just a matter of comfort, pleasantness of usage. The smearing I've experienced today reminded me of some of the early LCDs after the CRTs era. The panel is really bad in this department for today's standards. The smearing irritated me even when I was just moving windows.
Anyway, why you guys are putting the issue down to just gaming? It's just sad to use a panel as blurry as this when in motion.
I can guarantee you are in the minority and apple doesnt build their laptops for the minority
I noticed it when I was flying in a drone sim game..it was not enjoyable but I could still play fine. But then again..I have a gaming laptop for gaming which has a great display, so I dont feel the need to come on a mac forum to complain about macs.
im assuming you guys all spend a lot of time in the notch threads too

at this point its just 3 people talking to eachother about how bad these screen are. You guys are a little echo chamber and nobody cares
 
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i9inkers

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This thread is garbage, the OP posts garbage and the responses are garbage.... The only person that needs to be happy with the purchase is the purchaser. I have had laptops and macbooks for the last 10 years and I tell you this now, this is the only device that has no weakness, brilliant all round performer and im glad that the ARM revolution is in full swing:)
 
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Broko Fankone

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This thread is garbage, the OP posts garbage and the responses are garbage.... The only person that needs to be happy with the purchase is the purchaser. I have had laptops and macbooks for the last 10 years and I tell you this now, this is the only device that has no weakness, brilliant all round performer and im glad that the ARM revolution is in full swing:)

Tons of proof shown about the weakness of the pixel response. And you go "this device has no weakness". Sure thing, buddy. :) Be happy with what you have. Don't dare ask for more. The perfect consumer. :)
 
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bolognese

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I can guarantee you are in the minority and apple doesnt build their laptops for the minority
I noticed it when I was flying in a drone sim game..it was not enjoyable but I could still play fine. But then again..I have a gaming laptop for gaming which has a great display, so I dont feel the need to come on a mac forum to complain about macs.
im assuming you guys all spend a lot of time in the notch threads too

at this point its just 3 people talking to eachother about how bad these screen are. You guys are a little echo chamber and nobody cares
Nah, I don't have a beef with notch, I even think it was a good design decision (more space on the screen). It will be gone in a few iterations though.

Anyway, you know what? I don't feel the need to come to a mac forum to act accordigly to some random user's expectations... I've spent enough money for 16" / Max-24 / 64GB / 1TB, to be entitled to voice my opinion on a forum dedicated to... Voicing opinions about Apple products! Wow, right?

If you can't stomach that some people prefer their pricey displays to act like pricey displays, maybe you should go on with your own advice and not mention your content in a thread obviously dedicated to discontent of 16" panel's performance?

PS. I'm deeply sorry that "minority" have been so brazen to spoke up. I bet you don't like democracy, huh?
 
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hefeglass

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Nah, I don't have a beef with notch, I even think it was a good design decision (more space on the screen). It will be gone in a few iterations though.

Anyway, you know what? I don't feel the need to come to a mac forum to act accordigly to some random user's expectations... I've spent enough money for 16" / Max-24 / 64GB / 1TB, to be entitled to voice my opinion on a forum dedicated to... Voicing opinions about Apple products! Wow, right?

If you can't stomach that some people prefer their pricey displays to act like pricey displays, maybe you should go on with your own advice and not mention your content in a thread obviously dedicated to discontent of 16" panel's performance?

PS. I'm deeply sorry that "minority" have been so brazen to spoke up. I bet you don't like democracy, huh?
How is it a pricey display? Do the aluminum enclosure, fastest available low power CPU/GPU, superior keyboard and trackpad, largest battery physically possible and allowable on airplanes, 21 hour battery life, amazing speakers, great microphone...all cost nothing? is this a $3800 monitor? Im not sure what you want...go buy a windows laptop that has the PERFECT display, unfortunately everything else about it will likely suck.
 
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DMG35

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This thread is garbage, the OP posts garbage and the responses are garbage.... The only person that needs to be happy with the purchase is the purchaser. I have had laptops and macbooks for the last 10 years and I tell you this now, this is the only device that has no weakness, brilliant all round performer and im glad that the ARM revolution is in full swing:)

Yeah its a little strange. The OP is bound and determined to make everyone think that their device is garbage just because he find it not to his liking. I don’t understand threads like this. If you don’t like something just take it back and move on.
 
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junkimchi

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No that is a very poor mindset. If there is something critically wrong with a device, the fault should be pointed out so that consumers can have a better product in the future. Sure the laptop might not be made for gaming, but what do users lose by reserving the option to play games adequately with a decent response time panel? The herd mindset here is very strange, ultimately resulting in a culture that breeds complacency instead of progress in our devices.

Just because it isn't an issue for you, doesn't mean that it isn't an issue. It just means that your standards in that sector are too low.
 
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drxcm

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Interesting thread for sure.

I just got my 16” M1 Max and it’s fantastic. I think the display is stunning and I’m loving it.

I can’t tell any difference between it’s screen and my partner’s 14” M1 Pro other than size.
No that is a very poor mindset. If there is something critically wrong with a device, the fault should be pointed out so that consumers can have a better product in the future. Sure the laptop might not be made for gaming, but what do users lose by reserving the option to play games adequately with a decent response time panel? The herd mindset here is very strange, ultimately resulting in a culture that breeds complacency instead of progress in our devices.

Just because it isn't an issue for you, doesn't mean that it isn't an issue. It just means that your standards in that sector are too low

There is nothing ‘critically wrong’ with these screens.

Apple will not produce a ‘better product in the future’ based on criticisms in this thread. They will look at sales volumes and that is all.

This thread is interesting for all of it’s technical detail, but there is zero alternative option if someone wants a Mac laptop with a 16” screen.
 
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junkimchi

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There is nothing ‘critically wrong’ with these screens.

Apple will not produce a ‘better product in the future’ based on criticisms in this thread. They will look at sales volumes and that is all.

This thread is interesting for all of it’s technical detail, but there is zero alternative option if someone wants a Mac laptop with a 16” screen.

lol like clockwork. Like I said earlier, its not that there isn't an issue, its just that your standards for panel response time are too low. Clearly there are people in this thread and beyond who are noticing ghosting and judder while moving objects or watching sports on these screens. To dismiss others' concerns because YOU don't see anything is asinine and extremely self centered.

Also the whole idea of online forums such as this one is to promote discussion so that issues or gripes can be verbalized in the hopes of resolutions and improvements in the future. Many if not all bugs and shortcomings of devices are reported in this fashion across all companies' devices.

And last but not least, what exactly is your point in saying there is no other option? Isn't that the entire basis of the complaint? That there is no alternative for a Macbook Pro in 2021 so it is even more frustrating that the screen is so slow?

If you're happily enjoying your device that great, good for you. Why are you wasting your time coming into threads where people are expressing their discontent with hardware that is objectively inferior? What you're doing is the definition of cultish behavior.
 
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Yeah its a little strange. The OP is bound and determined to make everyone think that their device is garbage just because he find it not to his liking. I don’t understand threads like this. If you don’t like something just take it back and move on.

This thread is not just the comments or opinions of one person. OP spoke of something different initially, talking about the 120hz not really being achieved properly in the fullest possible sense because of the slow response time. And he is right about that, technically and mathematically speaking. He just worded it in an aggressive way, but his point is valid as you need a certain amount of response time to be reached for 120hz to be fully utilized without extra blur. You still get 120hz, it's just worse than it can be.

I don't think these laptops are garbage. I do wholeheartedly believe, though, that a mindset such as "do not offend my product" is garbage. It's worse for every consumer out there, and good for a trillion-dollar company. Which, by the way, will never go out of its way to defend you like you defend it. Bit of a sad dynamic if you ask me. What are you getting out of it? A sense of pride and accomplishment?

The dynamic should be much simpler than that - you pay good money, you want to get the best you can get for that amount of money. This does not mean that some random windows laptop will be superior. By the very minimum, macOS and Windows are two entirely different systems that excel in different aspects and compete with each other. Why would a macOS user use Windows if they want to use macOS?? That makes no sense whatsoever. It would not make sense for me to recommend you a Windows laptop. I realize that because I can use my head for thinking purposes.

Actual problems are that response times are not advertised at all. Youtuber reviewers are vastly ignoring such specs. To me, that is unfair advertising. Especially when you consider the huge difference between the black to white response time between the 14 inch and the 16 inch model. It's almost twice as slow on the 16 inch. Those are different screens in that regard. But you are not aware of that while ordering the machine. That is deceptive by the very minimum.

People against complaints in these threads are more or less defending such a practice religiously and that is simply baffling. Yes, you can return the product if you are not happy with it, DEPENDING on where you live. Not everyone is in the USA. Trust me, returning a product is a million times harder in some other regions. Like in my country, the seller first does everything in their power to stop you from returning or replacing anything. The customer is always wrong where I live. And I am taking these things into account.

If the response times were even mentioned in some tech spec sheet, I wouldn't complain at all. It would be visible for everyone to make their decision based on the real specs. If you saw 92ms response time and bought it, then you knew what you are getting so it's on you.

But in this thread some people went as far as to defend slow responsiveness as a good thing. That is delusional. Don't be like that because it's bad for all of us.

As mentioned previously, change begins with the people when they start asking for more. Over the years, people did ask for higher refresh rates and finally we have 120Hz screens on virtually all apple devices, which will continue with next models too. People asked for a better and more reliable keyboard and thus the low quality butterfly switches were replaced with magic switches.

If people do start asking for faster response times, they might get them one day in Apple laptops and standalone screens. You already have a very beautiful and fast screen on the iPhone 13 Pro and that's really good.

The whole "if you don't like it don't write about it" mentality is broken and backwards, and only serves to hurt the consumer. Those who cannot grasp that have no business writing in criticism-centered threads, to be honest. They should just enjoy their devices instead of coming up with asinine explanations of why drawbacks are a good thing. You might not care about these drawbacks. Why do you think that applies for everyone, though? Your lower standards are yours alone, not objective facts. If you cannot tell the difference between a screen and a twice as slow screen, that is on you. Don't push that agenda as if it is true for every user. I am not pushing an agenda that everyone will suffer from this. I am only stating how things are on a technical spec level. Similarly, you can drive a slower car than mine and that doesn't mean you will have a bad time driving it. For someone who wants a fast car, though, they will prefer a fast car and not a slow car.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that constant PWM was also discussed as a potentially serious drawback. It means that the screen constantly flickers at a certain frequency, but the new models do this at ALL brightness levels. This is really, really bad for some people who are very sensitive to the flickering. How can anyone say the screen has no drawbacks with such specs is honestly beyond me. Yes, most people will not notice this. But once again, this is NOT mentioned anywhere in the tech specs when you purchase the machine. If you are sensitive to it, you will know after using it for days and getting a headache (from which some users have already complained and returned the machine. Not out of spite, they did it regretting not being able to use it normally).

By the very minimum the tech specs should be laid out completely. But it will make the product look worse by revealing the drawbacks. And it's as if some people are against that. Why? It's good for us to know these things beforehand. Not after a month of testing has been done by some reviewer like notebookcheck.
 
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bolognese

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How is it a pricey display? Do the aluminum enclosure, fastest available low power CPU/GPU, superior keyboard and trackpad, largest battery physically possible and allowable on airplanes, 21 hour battery life, amazing speakers, great microphone...all cost nothing? is this a $3800 monitor? Im not sure what you want...go buy a windows laptop that has the PERFECT display, unfortunately everything else about it will likely suck.
Thanks for your advice (buying a Windows laptop lol), but I decided to buy 14” MBP - the monitor is better and the overall feeling was too.

Apple will not produce a ‘better product in the future’ based on criticisms in this thread. They will look at sales volumes and that is all.

This thread is interesting for all of it’s technical detail, but there is zero alternative option if someone wants a Mac laptop with a 16” screen.
They did add HDMI and Card reader though? Sales were great every time.

Yeah its a little strange. The OP is bound and determined to make everyone think that their device is garbage just because he find it not to his liking. I don’t understand threads like this. If you don’t like something just take it back and move on.
I’m really surprised that community doesn’t want to see any unfavourable comments about Apple products. I don't understand replies like this. If you don’t want to read it, just an idea: take your own advice and "move on" ?

Apple has released two MBPs with „the same” screen, yet one is 2x times slower (~100% slower) than the other in this regard. And it's not 100% to make it look big as it could be if the response times would be 1ms and 2ms, it's 45ms vs 90ms! It's slower than ping on my wireless LTE router.

Let that sink in: the 16" panel reacts slower than any random server responds to my ping over LTE connection.
In other country! And your reaction to this is to diss the users, that are not OK with this surprise. Wow.

I know that OP was umm... Not the most precise, but thanks to this thread I as a consumer could make an informed decision, cancel the 16" order and pick 14" instead! How is that bad?
 

junkimchi

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Looked through but couldn't find it. Is there a link to a review that shows that the 14 inch has a quicker screen than the 16?
 

Broko Fankone

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Looked through but couldn't find it. Is there a link to a review that shows that the 14 inch has a quicker screen than the 16?

Yeah, here are both:

14 Inch Notebookcheck

16 Inch Notebookcheck

The reviewer states these measurements may not be precise due to the constant flickering. BUT. Keep in mind both of the laptops have constant flickering at all brightness levels (at the exact same frequency) and you can still see a drastic difference in the measurements. There is also a reviewer who spoke about the motion performance and did their own testing (which came out with worse results):

 

DMG35

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Tons of proof shown about the weakness of the pixel response. And you go "this device has no weakness". Sure thing, buddy. :) Be happy with what you have. Don't dare ask for more. The perfect consumer. :)


This thread is not just the comments or opinions of one person. OP spoke of something different initially, talking about the 120hz not really being achieved properly in the fullest possible sense because of the slow response time. And he is right about that, technically and mathematically speaking. He just worded it in an aggressive way, but his point is valid as you need a certain amount of response time to be reached for 120hz to be fully utilized without extra blur. You still get 120hz, it's just worse than it can be.

I don't think these laptops are garbage. I do wholeheartedly believe, though, that a mindset such as "do not offend my product" is garbage. It's worse for every consumer out there, and good for a trillion-dollar company. Which, by the way, will never go out of its way to defend you like you defend it. Bit of a sad dynamic if you ask me. What are you getting out of it? A sense of pride and accomplishment?

The dynamic should be much simpler than that - you pay good money, you want to get the best you can get for that amount of money. This does not mean that some random windows laptop will be superior. By the very minimum, macOS and Windows are two entirely different systems that excel in different aspects and compete with each other. Why would a macOS user use Windows if they want to use macOS?? That makes no sense whatsoever. It would not make sense for me to recommend you a Windows laptop. I realize that because I can use my head for thinking purposes.

Actual problems are that response times are not advertised at all. Youtuber reviewers are vastly ignoring such specs. To me, that is unfair advertising. Especially when you consider the huge difference between the black to white response time between the 14 inch and the 16 inch model. It's almost twice as slow on the 16 inch. Those are different screens in that regard. But you are not aware of that while ordering the machine. That is deceptive by the very minimum.

People against complaints in these threads are more or less defending such a practice religiously and that is simply baffling. Yes, you can return the product if you are not happy with it, DEPENDING on where you live. Not everyone is in the USA. Trust me, returning a product is a million times harder in some other regions. Like in my country, the seller first does everything in their power to stop you from returning or replacing anything. The customer is always wrong where I live. And I am taking these things into account.

If the response times were even mentioned in some tech spec sheet, I wouldn't complain at all. It would be visible for everyone to make their decision based on the real specs. If you saw 92ms response time and bought it, then you knew what you are getting so it's on you.

But in this thread some people went as far as to defend slow responsiveness as a good thing. That is delusional. Don't be like that because it's bad for all of us.

As mentioned previously, change begins with the people when they start asking for more. Over the years, people did ask for higher refresh rates and finally we have 120Hz screens on virtually all apple devices, which will continue with next models too. People asked for a better and more reliable keyboard and thus the low quality butterfly switches were replaced with magic switches.

If people do start asking for faster response times, they might get them one day in Apple laptops and standalone screens. You already have a very beautiful and fast screen on the iPhone 13 Pro and that's really good.

The whole "if you don't like it don't write about it" mentality is broken and backwards, and only serves to hurt the consumer. Those who cannot grasp that have no business writing in criticism-centered threads, to be honest. They should just enjoy their devices instead of coming up with asinine explanations of why drawbacks are a good thing. You might not care about these drawbacks. Why do you think that applies for everyone, though? Your lower standards are yours alone, not objective facts. If you cannot tell the difference between a screen and a twice as slow screen, that is on you. Don't push that agenda as if it is true for every user. I am not pushing an agenda that everyone will suffer from this. I am only stating how things are on a technical spec level. Similarly, you can drive a slower car than mine and that doesn't mean you will have a bad time driving it. For someone who wants a fast car, though, they will prefer a fast car and not a slow car.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that constant PWM was also discussed as a potentially serious drawback. It means that the screen constantly flickers at a certain frequency, but the new models do this at ALL brightness levels. This is really, really bad for some people who are very sensitive to the flickering. How can anyone say the screen has no drawbacks with such specs is honestly beyond me. Yes, most people will not notice this. But once again, this is NOT mentioned anywhere in the tech specs when you purchase the machine. If you are sensitive to it, you will know after using it for days and getting a headache (from which some users have already complained and returned the machine. Not out of spite, they did it regretting not being able to use it normally).

By the very minimum the tech specs should be laid out completely. But it will make the product look worse by revealing the drawbacks. And it's as if some people are against that. Why? It's good for us to know these things beforehand. Not after a month of testing has been done by some reviewer like notebookcheck.
I'm not gonna read all of fthat because I don't really care. But if you like posting these tech type of things and it makes you feel like you are doing some good then by all means have at it.
 
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DMG35

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Thanks for your advice (buying a Windows laptop lol), but I decided to buy 14” MBP - the monitor is better and the overall feeling was too.


They did add HDMI and Card reader though? Sales were great every time.


I’m really surprised that community doesn’t want to see any unfavourable comments about Apple products. I don't understand replies like this. If you don’t want to read it, just an idea: take your own advice and "move on" ?

Apple has released two MBPs with „the same” screen, yet one is 2x times slower (~100% slower) than the other in this regard. And it's not 100% to make it look big as it could be if the response times would be 1ms and 2ms, it's 45ms vs 90ms! It's slower than ping on my wireless LTE router.

Let that sink in: the 16" panel reacts slower than any random server responds to my ping over LTE connection.
In other country! And your reaction to this is to diss the users, that are not OK with this surprise. Wow.

I know that OP was umm... Not the most precise, but thanks to this thread I as a consumer could make an informed decision, cancel the 16" order and pick 14" instead! How is that bad?
Its not that I don't want to see unfavorable comments, its that the same thing just keeps getting posted over and over and over again. But you can post whatever you want, its a forum for opinions and I was just giving mine regarding this thread.
 
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Also, for those of you saying the 16" MacBook Pro is complete trash, what windows laptop with the same specs, performance, and battery life would you recommend? I'd love to know.
 

Broko Fankone

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Also, for those of you saying the 16" MacBook Pro is complete trash, what windows laptop with the same specs, performance, and battery life would you recommend? I'd love to know.

"I don't care what you wrote" - then proceeds to spam 3 comments one after another.

Please leave this thread. You don't want to read and we honestly do not want to waste our time with you. You are not entitled to any attention, especially given you have no willingness to read what you are replying to. Stop spamming this thread and go somewhere else if this is your contribution (none whatsoever).
 

hefeglass

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is it true that the 14 has less smearing?
I originally had a 14" m1 pro machine..dont remember if I tried gaming on it but I dont recall seeing the smearing like I did on the 16 when I tried gaming. I am in the process of returning the 16 anyway due to it being way to big (I guess ive grown accustomed to the smaller machines) and have a 14 arriving friday.

from looking at the links you provided..it seems like the response rate is the same on both and the guys testing methodology may be to blame for the differences. Even he had a worse result for the 14 in grey/grey test ..then 16 was worse in black/white
not sure how one comes out ahead..maybe im missing something
 
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