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M1 Macbook Pro 2021 "120 hz" mini led display very slow, 120 hz are fake, old lcd technology!
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Are you kidding?
Because there simply is no other choice if someone requires a high-performance machine. A 2015 Mac just won‘t do.
So the alternatives are simply: a Mac or a Windows machine. Not that hard to see
The screen on these machines is a pos. I cannot believe how many reviewers continue to praise this thing.
The only way to tolerate this forum is to use the ignore function.
On 14" it's quite acceptable. I think it's OK. Even good because of the colors, etc.
After comparing 16" and 14" in store I have changed the already placed order from 16" to 14" (despite the obvious downsides to a smaller machine like screen size, battery, thermals). Smearing and lag on 16" were beyond tolerable for me in 2021
Quite a difference when compared side by side.From what I have read you have not yet seen this computer or used it, at all? I think this is the problem that some members are having with your opinion and ongoing argument. It's the duplicity of having a VERY strong opinion whilst at the same time never seeing the thing you have a very strong opinion on.
Totally agree, the almost brain-dead speech of certain people is unbearable, ignoring would be great at this moment.
im probably gonna get banned for this, but I don't care....the only people acting like Joe Rogan and all those other dips*t right wing IDW grifter pieces of excrement are you and the OP. Just stop. We get it, this laptop has a TON of issues. So many issues that anyone who buys one is just a stupid sheeple. Nice one brother, guess Ive been owned. Still tho, Im very happy with my purchase so I will continue purchasing products that the overwhelming majority who have been using consider to be one of their best purchases in years....Im getting so sick of all these grifters popping up pushing their very obvious agenda...If you and OP had made 1, 2, or hell even 3 posts pointing out these issues, then I wouldn't have an issue...but at this point its so obvious what you are doing.....ps. lemme save you some time...I am a nobody too so please, go ahead and insult me all you want
I've spent two sessions at two separate Apple stores on both the 14 and 16 inch mbps. Separate stores so that I can rule out what some are saying is a case by case panel lottery. On all models I was able to capture excessive smearing on the UFO refresh rate test webpage, which is in line with various reports and reviews of the panel. I was also able to reproduce the ghosting from dragging a window around and in scrolling, both of which many here have downplayed by saying "hurr hurr are you just going to shake windows around all day?"
The point is that visible deficiencies outlined in these tests are just the tip of the iceberg. The only things left to do once I have my device to to run my personal test media and a few games on the device that will arrive at my doorstep very soon. I'll be sure to update everyone on my findings so that my first hand recorded observations too, can be downplayed and labeled as brain-dead opinions for people to blissfully ignore.
Response time is not *the* above all indicator when judging a display. Color accuracy, brightness, local dimming, contrast, and refresh rate are all other equally important factors, hence why these displays are unanimously acclaimed by tech reviewers. One of these metrics being average does not suddenly make the entire display poor or even average in any way.
Also, what are your priorities for video editing and music production? The most important specs, to your time and wallet, will be video/audio timeline fluidity, layering filters/effects, editing, and export times, which are entirely SOC-related. Second might be RAM, SSD R/W speed, or the display. How is an average screen response time, which is still on a display that is factually better than your current one, negatively affecting your bottom line? It's just not making sense. I'm sure future MBPs will have both a fast response time and fast refresh rate, but until then, what will you do? How many years are you going to wait? Apple made so many drastic improvements with these new machines and it just doesn't make sense how emotional some of you are over one single thing not being perfect.
Most things you said are completely true. But I happen to use the screen for more things than my primary reasons for buying the machine. In fact, I will likely scroll websites and watch media more often than I do professional work. Yes response time is only one aspect of a display, but when that display has 90ms delay, nearly six total frames of lag, that is something that I personally can't unsee nor ignore. You using the term average to describe this particular spec is downright incorrect.
Countless people have already said and will continue to ask why don't I just not buy the device and move on. My goal is to have Apple fix this so that I can confidently own this amazing device in the near future. And to all the people saying it's not an issue, that's great I'm happy for you. But why are you in this thread?
All I can suggest for anyone worried about any of the crap posted by this guy is to go to the store and use one of these machines in person, and then go next door to a PC laptop maker and use any other machine.
Desktop, laptop, don't care. Compare them for yourself.
Buy the one which works best for you, but my experience is that the XDR display is the best computer display I have ever used, period. No, it isn't perfect. There is some bloom in extreme dark vs. light scenes. It has a notch.
Now I'm sure plenty out there have studio monitors, etc. for their desktops, but if you can find something that looks better in a portable - go buy it.
If you can find a portable run your workload faster, go buy it.
If you want the fastest portable Mac ever made with the best portable display ever made... there's only two options - 14" or 16".
Desktop, laptop, don't care. Compare them for yourself.
Buy the one which works best for you, but my experience is that the XDR display is the best computer display I have ever used, period. No, it isn't perfect. There is some bloom in extreme dark vs. light scenes. It has a notch.
Now I'm sure plenty out there have studio monitors, etc. for their desktops, but if you can find something that looks better in a portable - go buy it.
If you can find a portable run your workload faster, go buy it.
If you want the fastest portable Mac ever made with the best portable display ever made... there's only two options - 14" or 16".
I am using a 16" M1 Max MBP right now for video editing, animations, 3D modeling, etc, that's why I'm responding to you. According to Notebook Check, it has a 5ms slower response time compared to my 2019 16" Intel MBP. In return, I get a mini-LED display with amazing contrast, better color accuracy, extreme brightness for HDR, and the 120hz refresh rate. Yes, I would love for this to have a 1ms response time, but the fact that they improved the display and computer itself in every other way does make it look weird to complain so much about it. You'll need to wait a few years unfortunately for a display with a faster response time. Maybe they'll do it if/when they switch to OLED.
I had both the 14" and have the 16" currently.
The 14" is great, the 16" not so much and it's very noticeable, that's the problem.
Well my 16 inch came in the mail and here are my honest observations regarding the smearing
For one, its very noticeable. Anytime there is white text over a dark background, simple scrolling makes all of the text drag across the screen in a very distracting manner. It basically means that any application that has a dark mode is affected. It doesn't affect videos as much as I thought it would but when things are moving fast on the screen it is very evident that something is off due to the trails. UFO test is a total mess and the 120hz UFO looks incredibly fuzzy/blurry the entire time. Its particularly bad when you're moving from a full screen app to another, where the whole screen is essentially buzzing until it comes to a stand still. Was also able to test a few games on it and while there's not so much a feeling of input delay from the controller to the action on the screen, the ghosting is enough to be a distraction.
Overall, while it isn't quite as bad as I thought it would be it is still noticeable enough to the point where I believe it future models could use an improvement. 50/50 on returning the device, I shall continue to use it further to see if it is something I can get used to or not. But to be completely honest, with the rumors of the next revision being OLED or at least Samsung screens coupled with increasing reports of various issues with the device, I would be more surprised if I end up keeping this device.
For one, its very noticeable. Anytime there is white text over a dark background, simple scrolling makes all of the text drag across the screen in a very distracting manner. It basically means that any application that has a dark mode is affected. It doesn't affect videos as much as I thought it would but when things are moving fast on the screen it is very evident that something is off due to the trails. UFO test is a total mess and the 120hz UFO looks incredibly fuzzy/blurry the entire time. Its particularly bad when you're moving from a full screen app to another, where the whole screen is essentially buzzing until it comes to a stand still. Was also able to test a few games on it and while there's not so much a feeling of input delay from the controller to the action on the screen, the ghosting is enough to be a distraction.
Overall, while it isn't quite as bad as I thought it would be it is still noticeable enough to the point where I believe it future models could use an improvement. 50/50 on returning the device, I shall continue to use it further to see if it is something I can get used to or not. But to be completely honest, with the rumors of the next revision being OLED or at least Samsung screens coupled with increasing reports of various issues with the device, I would be more surprised if I end up keeping this device.
do u have a link to the samsung displays rumors? i dont believe apple will go oled next year though
Ah ye but it's only OLED+samunf tho,not mini-led+ Samsung -though i get what u mean-
Macbook Pro 2021 16" 91.6 ms:
www.notebookcheck.net
Horrible result.
91.6 ms is enough for 10 hz (10 refreshes per second) instead of advertised 120 hz.
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Horrible result.
91.6 ms is enough for 10 hz (10 refreshes per second) instead of advertised 120 hz.
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