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M1 Macbook Pro 2021 "120 hz" mini led display very slow, 120 hz are fake, old lcd technology!
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Frankly I don't care about the OP's initial argument...to this regular, everyday human being with regular everyday computing needs, the display on my 14" MBP is absolutely beautiful! Thanks for a stunning display, Apple!!
I,smell a class action Lawsuit Apple promised a 120hz display and now they want to say it’s App specific and blame developers. I returned mine. Ghosting is 100% Unacceptable.
Huh? Isn't this device marketed as being a professional tool and not for the "regular everyday human being"? Aren't users supposed to be very demanding on its specs and features? What is the point of boasting that you're completely fine with the proven shortcomings of this first generation device? Do you go into AA meetings to say you're not an alcoholic?
I have a 16 inch that is coming next week and I plan to put it through its paces, one of them being *gasp* GAMING. Mainly purchasing the laptop for music performance and video editing however with my plans to use this as my desktop replacement, I would like to reserve the right to play GAMES every once in a while on my $3000 computer. Also will be testing various movies and TV shows which are a bigger concern.
As with all things, I'm not too surprised that there is at least one glaring issue with the first ever 120hz Macbook Pro. I had my hesitations with buying a first gen product but was bored enough to test it for myself to see what a 90ms response time panel (lmao) looks and feels like. Luckily Costco has a no questions asked 90 day return policy so I am ready to return it in confidence and wait in hopes that the second gen next year will be better.
People, as a consumer WE should hold the bargaining power with these companies. Raise your standards a little and everyone will get a better product. Its in Apple's obvious interests to make it a you vs that guy you don't agree with on the forum, and not the consumers vs Apple. Zen out a bit and realize you aren't the culmination of the things you own.
If they are proven shortcomings then why did you even bother purchasing the device in the first place? You are telling us all to demand more yet you went out and purchased the exact device that you are claiming we shouldn’t be satisfied with. Not really following except that you want to buy the device and use it for 90 days because in the end you just want to play with it and not have to spend the money on it.
If anyone is under any illusion that this is somehow limited to gaming, it certainly isn't.
I found out about the response time issues after I ordered it. Besides even if I had known, I would have liked to try out the device and experience the issues for myself. If it truly isn't a problem even with the few games that I play, then I'll keep it. Not a very complicated process.
Right, so if its not that big of a problem and you’ll keep it then your preaching of “We have to demand better specs and features and you guys should raise your standards“ doesn’t really hold much water.
There are multiple credible sources that have reported the screen to be slow. There are numerous reports of users in this very thread having a poor experience. My preaching comes from the cult-like reactions that other people are showing in response to an objectively poor spec on the laptop. How does that not make sense to you? My experience with the laptop and the macrumor crowd's response to reviews are entirely separate things.
Because you are telling other people that they should stand up and demand more. If you buy this laptop and use it then you are just one of the “cult members” that is accepting shoddy hardware from Apple instead of demanding better from them. Why is that hard for you to understand?
I purchased the device with the full intention of returning it if the display isn't up to my standards. I as a consumer have the right to exercise this privilege in the USA. All indicators as of right now point towards it not meeting them. Explain to me how exactly are my intentions falling into the cult of Apple? Your argument is creating a hypothetical scenario where I for some reason keep the laptop despite all qualitative and quantitative observations suggesting that I won't be ok with it. What kind of line of reasoning led you to make a delusional future just so you can prove a point LOL.
Lol your argument is basically this.
“The new MacBook Pro’s are garbage. You cult members should expect more from Apple and stop buying their garbage products and take the power away from Apple. Also, I have one on order and even though its awful I may keep it or just play with it for 90 days so I do t have to pay for it. I am going to open the piece of garbage laptop and if it meets my standards then I’ll keep it but it will still be a $3000 price of junk and you sheep should demand more.”
Awesome.
You've managed to top your made up future scenario for my life with words you're putting in my mouth. Why are you so fragile that if a group of people attack literally ONE aspect of the laptop that you feel like your entire existence is being threatened lol. None of us ever said anything about any other aspect of the laptop as this is a thread about the display yet your internet nerd rage is taking this to comical reaches.
People should absolutely demand more from top tier brand name companies. There is enough evidence from other users who aren't happy with their device, there is room for improvement. If for some bizarre or lucky reason I don't experience the same thing then I'll report back my findings here so that we can all collectively get to the bottom of it.
Go get some fresh air outside man.
Lol I’m not fragile at all. The 2021 MacBook Pros are far from perfect and absolutely have shortcomings. I just accept them and don’t go on diatribe’s on why we are being given weak products and should expect more from the company’s we buy from. This is the laptop that Apple released this year so I can either use it, or not. I also just find it funny that someone tells others to stop being sheep and demand more from their companies but also is buying the same device that he is preaching against as not being good enough. But you do you man and we can agree to disagree.
Also, insulting somenone is just a weak persons way of not being able to justify their argument. So I will take my “fragile and threatened internet nerd rage” and go for a walk outside.
Would be a difficult lawsuit, Apple giving away free ghosts, Freebies from Apple doesn't happen very often.
Just realized there are Apple rant bumper sticker slogans, must include words like sheep, garbage, cult members. You nicely illustrated them ?
Completely unacceptable that a mini-led laptop display with a few thousand leds to coordinate has some downside.
Please, for our class action suit, list all non-apple laptops with 2000+ dimming zones below, so we can prove that this certainly not the standard we should all expect:
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Please, for our class action suit, list all non-apple laptops with 2000+ dimming zones below, so we can prove that this certainly not the standard we should all expect:
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how can you ask that question.. "what do users lose" ?
First off, we lose because a device with the perfect display you want would not cost what the current macbooks cost. We would also lose the 1600nit HDR display..its not possible to have it all in one display for a price that is still reasonable.
I think you are looking at this as if all panels cost the same and you just add features to them and they dont lose any previous capabilities.
there are trade-offs. I believe apple made the right choice..many more of their customers care about HDR and deep blacks vs low response times. You are the few (loud) customers that care about response time in a display..why would apple screw over 95% of their customer base to make 5% happy? Especially when you can use an external monitor if necessary.
Please stop bringing this conversation back to "your standards are too low"
Its not like the rest of us dont notice the problem, its just that we dont care and arent going to complain about it nonstop and act like its a personal jab from apple. THEY MADE A CHOICE, if you arent happy dont buy the computer..
I have explained multiple times why your opinion doesnt and shouldnt matter to apple...sorry you are upset by this.
Lol here we go again. More hypothetical situations where apparently we would undoubtedly lose features because the quality of a panel was raised up to what are common standards. How in the world do you know or expect this to be the case? Have you ever thought that if enough people demanded a higher spec, that they might cut into their profit margin to provide that spec? You managed to also pair your made up supply chain based profit margins with made up percentages on how many people are dissatisfied with their screen. You're living in the world of make believe in your own head to justify your purchase. You also don't need to lecture me to not buy the laptop as that is quite literally the plan when mine comes in, if the reports are true.
This is supposed to be the world's best laptop and the price tag reflects that as well. I expect it to have a certain level of performance in all aspects. You on the other hand, don't. Your standards are lower than mine.
This does seem to me like a pretty arrogant viewpoint.
Ok, lets assume for a moment that the display is that bad. So looking for alternatives..-
1) All alternatives come with Windows. My standards are higher than that
2) All alternatves run comparatively extremely hot, therefore loud. My standards expect better
3) No alternative matches the battery life even remotely. My standards deny this
4) No alternative matches the build quality and longevity. My standards... you get the point
So even if the display is that bad, overall there is no competitior coming even close. Your point is pretty void…
I've been on a Apple laptop for final cut, logic, and live music performances through traktor and Ableton for the last 15 years. Windows laptops are not alternatives as they don't run final cut and logic. My alternative is hanging tight with my 2013 MacBook and not upgrading. I have no idea why everyone is comparing these things and my use case to windows laptops. Idk how many more times I need to iterate the fact that I'm waiting for a proper MacBook pro. The last generations did not have the right ports, and this one is close but the screen is poor. You guys CONSTANTLY bringing up Windows laptops as comparisons is evidence that you feel the need to be confident with your purchase which is fine. If you're going to do the absurd comparison of two entirely different computing sectors be my guest, but it reveals that you're using the mbp for only basic functions bc no sane person that has invested time and money into Apple software would ever consider Windows laptops as an alternative.