This is all complete nonsense. I've had my 16" for couple of weeks now, its the best display I ever worked with, amazing for text, media consumption and gaming, and I have not noticed anything about the slow response in practice. Sure, if I move a window around very quickly I can see the afterimages... so what? This has no impact on how I use this device. Why would one particular artificial metric matter more than practical usability and quality?
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
M1 Macbook Pro 2021 "120 hz" mini led display very slow, 120 hz are fake, old lcd technology!
- Thread starter ASX
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Nope, it's no nonsense. I have tested this week another MBP Pro 2021 16" for company purpose and scrolled in the browser. Holy crap. This ghosting is hurting my eyes. Seeing it again was horrific.
Im normally using daily a G9 Neo with arround 3-4 ms real response time for most transitions. I'm really shocked how bad this very expensive laptop's display is responding.
Did you use even worse displays before? I can't imagine there is a display with 91 ms btg response time. Even bad va panels have arround 50 ms btg.
To see the massive ghosting you don't need moving around a window very quickly. It's enough if you scroll normally with the arrow keys in a web browser.
Im normally using daily a G9 Neo with arround 3-4 ms real response time for most transitions. I'm really shocked how bad this very expensive laptop's display is responding.
Did you use even worse displays before? I can't imagine there is a display with 91 ms btg response time. Even bad va panels have arround 50 ms btg.
To see the massive ghosting you don't need moving around a window very quickly. It's enough if you scroll normally with the arrow keys in a web browser.
Sounds like you should use something else then. Pretty simple solution, really. Fortunately there are tons of laptops out there to choose from.
Strange. Seems only you notice. Don‘t buy it then.
I‘ll keep mine in the meantime. Best display for what I do, and I do not notice what you describe
The thread is full of users who noticed it. Also elsewhere are tons of reports. I really dont know why someone isn't noticing it. My first assumption would be lack of experience with faster displays or some problems with the vision.
Than you are more sensitive to this than well, everybody. Which is absolutely fine, we are all different, but I see absolutely no reason to act like we are some sort of morons for not caring about this.
Well, it's great that you have a display you like then, right? I could imagine using something like the G9 Neo because the lack of HDPI image quality is unacceptable for me.
I have used all kinds of displays. I think my office Dell Ultrasharp has a response rate around 10ms or less. It's a night and day difference to my 16" — the latter is just so much better. I end up working with the display unplugged most of the time actually, regular displays just look washed out and blurred to me after the 16" miniLED panel.
Just did, looks fine to me.
It's not that we don't notice. We notice all right. It's just that most people genuinely don't care. I benefit a lot from the improved contrast, while I am not at all bothered by the afterimages this display exhibits.
I find the ghosting less severe than any LCD iPhone, and those never bugged me.
I mean, I haven’t used a modern gaming monitor or anything, but I’ve had a lot of different IPS panels over the years and pretty much every one of them has had worse ghosting than my 14” MBP (my Early 2009 24” iMac, which had an otherwise lovely vibrant panel, had awful after-image issues). Maybe it’s worse on the 16-inch model?
I don’t do much media work (other than the occasional Keynote presentation), but for programming, web browsing, and media consumption, I’ve had nothing but praise for the 14” MBP’s display. 24p content in particular looks great without the usual 3:2 pull-down, and the vibrancy and color definition is on another level (notably better than my 27” iMac’s IPS panel, though still in the same ballpark).
Because we simply don’t care.
The new macbook is the best display I’ve ever had in my life using laptops. The pixel response time is good enough for me. It’s a tool and it works as intended.
As someone who spent $4000 for a DM241, I say the screen on the new Macbook is great.
The visual difference for you. How is that massive ghosting not visible for you?
The macbook pro display has also heavy stuttering. It's complete trash for nearly any motion handling. The only case while it is less noticeable, are tiny movements.
Its the best display in case of hdr. But even the homogenity is on many units absolute trash. The 16" model i reviewed a few days ago had siginificant less brightness for half of the screen. I wouldn't accept this even if this would be a laptop for 100 Euros. Others noticed a lot of color tints. On top there is the pwm which is causing a lot eyestrain and defocusing.
The macbook pro display has also heavy stuttering. It's complete trash for nearly any motion handling. The only case while it is less noticeable, are tiny movements.
Its the best display in case of hdr. But even the homogenity is on many units absolute trash. The 16" model i reviewed a few days ago had siginificant less brightness for half of the screen. I wouldn't accept this even if this would be a laptop for 100 Euros. Others noticed a lot of color tints. On top there is the pwm which is causing a lot eyestrain and defocusing.
Last edited:
Lol the guy ends up saying for what the machine is made for it IS the best available and is a better trade off than the Oleds or other offerings at this time. Did you even watch it all the way through or just stop once he pointed out the ghosting?
It is there but seems too not bother many of us myself included... so why the crusade I ask? Seems like an awful waste of time and energy on your part, surely you must have other things going on in life more important?
BTW... this doesn't bother me one bit not on the 2019 16" that was also complained about for same thing yet different screen, and this 2021 16" as both look great to me and perform fine for my work (photo/video/sound).
@Romain_H
There is not stuttering? I have scrolled in Safari and Chrome. Both stuttering even with newest MacOS stable version 12.1. Same **** like month before. Not patched on multiple thousand Euro laptop. Gj Apple
.
@Chevysales
For Apple applications which most people dont care about, for better motion you have to use an external monitor.
If you spend so much money you wont do that.
You and many users on this forum have no experience with good hardware, so they still thinking this MBP 2021 fully loaded with failures is the best.
The only good things i have to tell about the MBP 2021:
Hdr performance is very good, very good battery life, the silence (especially the 16.2" model), good speakers (16.2" better than 14.2") and good trackpad.
I still cant ignore the cheap keyboard. The key response is so cheap. Some keys are making cheap klicking noises and have nearly 0 resistance. For comparison i used thed cheapest keyboard i have. A logitech combo touch rubber dome for Apple Ipad Pro 2021 12.9", even this is worlds better than the macbook pro keyboard. There is nearly no noticeable inconsistence for the key pressure.
There is not stuttering? I have scrolled in Safari and Chrome. Both stuttering even with newest MacOS stable version 12.1. Same **** like month before. Not patched on multiple thousand Euro laptop. Gj Apple
.@Chevysales
For Apple applications which most people dont care about, for better motion you have to use an external monitor.
If you spend so much money you wont do that.
You and many users on this forum have no experience with good hardware, so they still thinking this MBP 2021 fully loaded with failures is the best
.The only good things i have to tell about the MBP 2021:
Hdr performance is very good, very good battery life, the silence (especially the 16.2" model), good speakers (16.2" better than 14.2") and good trackpad.
I still cant ignore the cheap keyboard. The key response is so cheap. Some keys are making cheap klicking noises and have nearly 0 resistance. For comparison i used thed cheapest keyboard i have. A logitech combo touch rubber dome for Apple Ipad Pro 2021 12.9", even this is worlds better than the macbook pro keyboard. There is nearly no noticeable inconsistence for the key pressure.
Last edited:
May on your device, I cannot comment on that of course. In general: I am certain I do know good hardware better than you. Like 100 % certain@Romain_H
There is not stuttering? I have scrolled in Safari and Chrome. Both stuttering even with newest MacOS stable version 12.1. Same **** like month before. Not patched on multiple thousand Euro laptop. Gj Apple
On my MBP, no stuttering whatsoever
Last edited:
@Romain_H
There is not stuttering? I have scrolled in Safari and Chrome. Both stuttering even with newest MacOS stable version 12.1. Same **** like month before. Not patched on multiple thousand Euro laptop. Gj Apple
Not sure if you have any video playback or not. Sometimes it will slow the refresh rate down to the video frame rate. That may create the stuttering effects.
I just wonder why you put great effort into making this thread. There are other Laptops that run Windows 10-11 that may work better for you.
Stop questioning why other people don't see it, because each person perceive motion differently and most people don't care that much about pixel response time. Or you're given a better eyes than the majority of us. Either case, you're blessed to live in the world with many choices. Buy what makes you the most money and stop worrying about other people's business.
What kind of hardware do you think is Good, in your opinion? I'm curious.
I know what pro motion is doing . But it's bugged on macbook. If it's not running flawlessly it should be turned off. Stuttering is a no go.
Good hardware is flawless hardware. It should have maximal very minor flaws to be worth multiple thousand euros.
There are a lot Windows gaming laptops with minor flaws. From Alienware, Lenovo and HP. You have to sacrifice hdr, better battery life and noise level. But the rest is worlds better. No stuttering, no bad motion handling and working adaptive sync. In addition you can repair and upgrade it and swap battery very easy. In addition Lenovo is offering 3 years warranty instead of 1 year.
I would never say Apple is making only bad devices. The iphone is very good, even the ipad 2021 12.9" has despite of the slow screen minor issues. But this macbook is an issue mess. I really hope they will update it soon. Hopefully with an oled screen and without this ugly notch at top.
. But it's bugged on macbook. If it's not running flawlessly it should be turned off. Stuttering is a no go.Good hardware is flawless hardware. It should have maximal very minor flaws to be worth multiple thousand euros.
There are a lot Windows gaming laptops with minor flaws. From Alienware, Lenovo and HP. You have to sacrifice hdr, better battery life and noise level. But the rest is worlds better. No stuttering, no bad motion handling and working adaptive sync. In addition you can repair and upgrade it and swap battery very easy. In addition Lenovo is offering 3 years warranty instead of 1 year.
I would never say Apple is making only bad devices. The iphone is very good, even the ipad 2021 12.9" has despite of the slow screen minor issues. But this macbook is an issue mess. I really hope they will update it soon. Hopefully with an oled screen and without this ugly notch at top.
Last edited:
you still failed to give me the exact model number of a good hardware you experience. That makes your entire argument feel shaky. You stated that many users in this forum have never experienced good hardware. That seems to be faulty.
Let me break it down for you and the other people here to comprehend what your top priority is:
- What you value the most is: screen response time and the fluidity of motion on the screen
- Repairability
- Standard Warranty
- The M1 MacBook Pro 2021 offers the best HDR experience on a laptop, also it has spot on color accuracy out of the box with many useful color space presets. It's hard to come by screen like that on a windows laptop.
- Repairability: You got me. MacBook was never easy to add / repair. However, with any SOC, RAM upgrade is a thing of the distant past. NVME SSD Upgrade should be nice.
- Warranty: Dell, Asus, and many other manufacturers still offer 1 year warranty, so I think the MacBook is still very competitive in this regard. And the customer service is on par with the major competitors.
Many professionals are using the M1 Max/Pro and are enjoying using it, so stop questioning why they don't see it your way. The reason is simply because they value things differently from you do.
How long have you had your new MBP? I always need a few weeks to adjust my typing muscle memory to a new keyboard, and my 14” was no exception. Coming from a ThinkPad X220 (widely regarded as one of the best laptop keyboards of all time), I found that my fingers got tired a quicker on the MBP and that the feedback felt less satisfying. After ~2 months with it, typing on it feels a lot more natural and now my X220 feels a little weird to type on because I’ve adapted my keystrokes to the shallower travel.
To be clear, I still think the X220 has the better keyboard, but I *also* recognize that we’re probably never going to see a keyboard like that in a laptop again and that the new MBP is pretty good for a chiclet (I prefer it to the pre-2016 MBP keyboards with all the key wiggle).
I also have a Filco mechanical keyboard with my iMac w/ Cherry MX Browns and I don’t find the typing experience on my MBP noticeably worse (just very *different*), but your mileage may vary. Give your fingers some time to adapt to it before passing final judgement!
Not sure why everyone is bringing up all these different aspects of the screen, but for the record I ended up getting my 16 inch mbp but will be returning it within the Costco return policy timeframe.
Sure it looks great, but the ghosting is downright unacceptable. Watching movies or any scene that moves somewhat quickly, it becomes a complete blurry mess. I understand that this isn't a gaming laptop but if you're someone that notices ghosting and is sensitive to it, the screen is a very poor performer.
Sure it looks great, but the ghosting is downright unacceptable. Watching movies or any scene that moves somewhat quickly, it becomes a complete blurry mess. I understand that this isn't a gaming laptop but if you're someone that notices ghosting and is sensitive to it, the screen is a very poor performer.
If that is true, a good Windows PC doesn’t exist.
Every hardware has some flaws.
Yup, the new MBPs have very minor flaws and are definitely worth the money.
These things are not minor flaws. They are certainly bigger flaws then ghosting on an otherwise amazing screen. You cherry picked things that are important to you and designated other things as minor things. Battery life is hugely important to a lot of people. Performance on battery also. Noise level is also something that many people care about, especially people working with audio or streaming/podcasting. HDR is important for people who do video production. Ghosting is important… To gamers.
You’re looking at the wrong things here.
Ridiculous. The screen is fantastic, and I also have a C1 OLED with instant response time so I know what a responsive screen looks like. MBP screen is great for what it’s intended. It’s not a gaming monitor, it’s a HDR screen meant for production and content creation. I couldn’t care less about ghosting on a productivity device.
Last edited:
Thanks for sharing the info.
There are obviously people who either can’t see the visual effect, or the issue just doesn’t bother them. And that’s alright.
It’s just like how some people can’t see or care about the jelly scroll screen tear on the iPad Mini 2021.
This info is still helpful to people who are need their displays to be of certain specifiations.
Those coming from older MBP are not going to care since they are already used to the response time. The 120Hz upgrade will be very noticeable though.
There are obviously people who either can’t see the visual effect, or the issue just doesn’t bother them. And that’s alright.
It’s just like how some people can’t see or care about the jelly scroll screen tear on the iPad Mini 2021.
This info is still helpful to people who are need their displays to be of certain specifiations.
Those coming from older MBP are not going to care since they are already used to the response time. The 120Hz upgrade will be very noticeable though.
I was at a store the other day which had a 14" MBP connected to the 27" Studio display. I was dragging a window around from screen to screen and the MBP was considerably smoother and cleaner with less ghosting than the 27" Studio Display which is stuck at 60Hz.
The current MPBs are heralded as the best professional laptops ever made. I am sure for a select minority, who have become aware of this issue, and also appreciate low-lag screens, then you may fixate on this apparent 'issue' (hint: it's not an issue, it's just not the same as other high speed displays).
Apple have focused on what's important on the displays. That being colour accuracy, colour gamut, and contrast/brightness. These MBP displays are incredible to look at. Could they be even better with faster response times? Sure. I mean, lots of things COULD be better. They COULD be thinner. They COULD be faster. They COULD do XYZ, but they don't.
When I was in the store, I was surrounded by laptop and desktop displays. I genuinely question how people can accept what the Windows PC's come with in comparison to the Macs. Even the Macbook Air with M2 has a substantially better display quality than practically all the other devices in the store and it is just a normal LCD. It is quite like comparing Apples to Oranges actually.
The current MPBs are heralded as the best professional laptops ever made. I am sure for a select minority, who have become aware of this issue, and also appreciate low-lag screens, then you may fixate on this apparent 'issue' (hint: it's not an issue, it's just not the same as other high speed displays).
Apple have focused on what's important on the displays. That being colour accuracy, colour gamut, and contrast/brightness. These MBP displays are incredible to look at. Could they be even better with faster response times? Sure. I mean, lots of things COULD be better. They COULD be thinner. They COULD be faster. They COULD do XYZ, but they don't.
When I was in the store, I was surrounded by laptop and desktop displays. I genuinely question how people can accept what the Windows PC's come with in comparison to the Macs. Even the Macbook Air with M2 has a substantially better display quality than practically all the other devices in the store and it is just a normal LCD. It is quite like comparing Apples to Oranges actually.