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DSquiz

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Yep, pulled the trigger yesterday after the reviews confirmed everything the first impressions said.

iPad is my primary computer (and only other than a work PC) so going from the 11” M1 to the 11” M4. Also upgrading the Magic Keyboard and Pencil. I feel like this is peak iPad so I’d imagine I keep for M4 for 5 or so years.
 

DeepSix

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I'm not upgrading, I can't justify the cost....and for what, a brighter screen? lol. Oh wait, you get the sweet barrel roll feature in the new pencil Pro. It's lighter and thinner at 5mm. 5mm is still too thick, make it 0.5mm thick with a weight of 100 grams and now we're talking.
 

thadoggfather

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M1 still feels like complete overkill for ipadOS

even with wwdc looming i dont see them being stepping up their game beyond some chatGPT AI thing or enhanced Siri

they didn’t do anything when everyone was convinced m1 in iPads meant “serious business”

they aren’t gonna radically alter the UX and piss off all conventional iPad users or draw a bigger divide between regular and pro models imo. It’s just that the pro has a nicer screen and specs that’s about it
 

leebroath

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M1 still feels like complete overkill for ipadOS

even with wwdc looming i dont see them being stepping up their game beyond some chatGPT AI thing or enhanced Siri

they didn’t do anything when everyone was convinced m1 in iPads meant “serious business”

they aren’t gonna radically alter the UX and piss off all conventional iPad users or draw a bigger divide between regular and pro models imo. It’s just that the pro has a nicer screen and specs that’s about it
M1 is still a beast and just works so well

Sticking to my 2021 Pro model for just now, unless Apple have something up their sleeve at WWDC..

Which will be a shock if they do ;)
 

mtulman1

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We live once. If you can afford it, do it. My motto and why i am picking it up today. As comical as it may sound, the moved FT camera is worth the insane money i spent hha.
 
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Digitalguy

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While I like the lighter weight, a few elements have made me decide to keep my M1, namely the better speakers (M4 is a downgrade) and the lack of a SIM slot (for trips abroad and because my Windows devices do not support esim, so I am not ready to give up my phisical SIMs)
Also my MK and pencil still work great and I would need to sell them too...
I may buy the M4 in the future at a deep discount
 
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crobcary

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I purchased an M4, because I like the concept of a better matte display (I have had a PenTips matte glass screen overlay since they came out so having it built-in with nano texture is a plus), a new battery (this one has deteriorated surprisingly quickly in over three years) and the lightness (I carry mine to/from work daily).

That said, I opted for the mail-based trade-in so I can return the new iPad if I find the returns to be that diminished.
 

axantas

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We live once. If you can afford it, do it. My motto and why i am picking it up today. As comical as it may sound, the moved FT camera is worth the insane money i spent hha.
I just got the 11" 512 GB Cellular M4 today - walked into the Store - it was available. So my M1 with the same specs will get on sale these days.

Only thing to have a look at: Be careful with the option of that Nano textured glass. It needs special attention cleaning and using it. Get it, if it has a real benefit and you never cleaned the old one with a hanky or the sleeve - because nothing else was available. That Nano textured glass is great, I had a look at that model, but it needs special attention.

I furthermore did not like the fact, that the frame/black border is untextured. Apple could have made a simple cutout at the camera. Now it looks to me like "how do I remove that blurry plastic"
 
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gnomeisland

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I will eventually because I much prefer the 11" size and have always wished I had reference mode for photo editing. Since I already work around that, I'll wait until my finances are bit better but I think there's enough to warrant an upgrade.
 

Ludatyk

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While I like the lighter weight, a few elements have made me decide to keep my M1, namely the better speakers (M4 is a downgrade) and the lack of a SIM slot (for trips abroad and because my Windows devices do not support esim, so I am not ready to give up my phisical SIMs)
Also my MK and pencil still work great and I would need to sell them too...
I may buy the M4 in the future at a deep discount
And I just posted my M1 iPad Pro, MKB and Pencil for sell today... I decided to sell them as a bundle, didn't want the hassle of doing it separately.

I'm in no rush to settle... I have a number I'm not willing to budge on, hopefully it all goes well. Really disappointed that all my accessories had to go.
 
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mtulman1

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I just got the 11" 512 GB Cellular M4 today - walked into the Store - it was available. So my M1 with the same specs will get on sale these days.

Only thing to have a look at: Be careful with the option of that Nano textured glass. It needs special attention cleaning and using it. Get it, if it has a real benefit and you never cleaned the old one with a hanky or the sleeve - because nothing else was available. That Nano textured glass is great, I had a look at that model, but it needs special attention.

I furthermore did not like the fact, that the frame/black border is untextured. Apple could have made a simple cutout at the camera. Now it looks to me like "how do I remove that blurry plastic"
I ordered the lower tier storage so the nano glass is a non issue.
 

Devyn89

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I’m going to upgrade because 1) I want to and, 2) my battery on my M1 iPad is messed up and dies randomly. It’s supposedly at 86% health but it doesn’t feel like it.
 

axantas

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Really, the speakers were downgraded?
This is an excellent question. I did compare a lot of things between the 11" M1 and my new 11" M4, but forgot about the speakers.

But as I have the two just in front of me - I tested that. Volume at 100%. The speakers do have to be smaller, because that thing is thinner now. My ultimate audio test track for "everything" is "That's just the way it is" from Phil Collins. The percussion in the beginning is quite demanding and sounds "just the way" it can sound on devices like this. the basses are indeed a tiniy bit more saturated on the M1, if you compare them directly. But we are talking about really tiny differences. Besides that, an iPad is not a Hi-Fi speaker and it is not a downgrade, but simply less physical volume. The M4 sounds great.
 
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thadoggfather

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Just checked the new ones out at the store for a couple minutes and honestly...

genuinely unimpressed not just coping with being set on not upgrading. I have the iPad upgrade itch much less than iPhone, and even to some degree recently, Macs admittedly but.

It is thin, and I don't care about this aspect as I never saw it an issue with previous iPad Pros, but not nearly as thin as everyone was oooo'ing and ahhh'ing over (mostly Apple themselves and 'influencers' that are always to be taken with a grain of salt since the device isn't coming out of their pocket book).

I don't know what everyone is getting worked up over being worried it'll bend more. It may or may not, but I don't think the extra thinness will contribute to that given its not psychotically thinner - more materials and general build will be the determining factor I imagine (without being a materials engineer or anything).

The OLED display, looks nice but I wasn't blown away by brightness indoors and from memory it actually seemed dimmer than my M1 iPad Pro with LED. That's going off memory of course, I didn't bring mine in to do side by side, but I wonder if it's like when iPhone's got P3 color gamut with iPhone 7 and was a huge boost to brightness outdoors, but otherwise rather reserved in its general idling state. And I am obsessed with screen quality more than most.

I'm sure in a dark room watching movies, it's transformative, but this isn't my first rodeo with OLED displays as someone with OLED switch, steam deck, 4k tv's, and of course, iPhone.

I don't really use my iPad outdoors so that's not overly compelling to me, even if true. I didn't get to see a nano texture unit but I wouldn't be interested in that, even being locked behind the higher priced SKUs. Looks like it degrades the picture too much for my preferences.

What else? Magic Keyboard?

Very samey compared to old, barring slightly bigger trackpad and aluminum interior instead of that exterior feel. The fact that you have to splurge on a new keyboard and pencil, if that's your thing, really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Not consumer friendly, not environmentally friendly, not financially friendly.

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I hate to constantly peddle in doom porn, but with the economy in the state it is and these iPads feeling largely iterative even if they have lots of new stuff on paper (m4, OLED, thinner, updated keyboard and pencil) and commanding a much higher price of +$200 their previous offerings, I just don't see them flying off shelves for average Joe. I hope this isn't the same trajectory for iPhones. It's a little bit of a bummer.


Even though I don't use my wide angle lens on my M1, I don't like that they took it away and replaced it with a fake looking camera underneath. Looks like an Aliexpress camera module for a knockoff.

I think if they put the 0.5x / 1x toggle on the same side as ALL the other photography toggles it might get used more frequently by people. Poor placement. But then again, lots of people don't use their iPad camera at all, ever, regardless of focal length.

Less the product and more baffling decision by Apple Retail and maybe it's just that it's day 1 and they're still imaging their tablets I dont know but the whole table of iPad Pros had Vision in the center of the table (the most immediate one when I walked through the front door) and an app that shows Vision features on the device that you could not exit out of. There was like 8 new iPads and not a single one of them could I test drive..

The only usable single unit I could use was in the corner of the store, as if this product is already on its last bit of life in the generation's cycle. Not a great presentation IMO.

To each their own, but even if I had $999 or $1299+ to be careless with, I wouldn't be able to do it without feeling extremely gluttonous and questioning my choices as a consumer.
 
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DeepSix

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Just checked the new ones out at the store for a couple minutes and honestly...

genuinely unimpressed not just coping with being set on not upgrading. I have the iPad upgrade itch much less than iPhone, and even to some degree recently, Macs admittedly but.

It is thin, and I don't care about this aspect as I never saw it an issue with previous iPad Pros, but not nearly as thin as everyone was oooo'ing and ahhh'ing over (mostly Apple themselves and 'influencers' that are always to be taken with a grain of salt since the device isn't coming out of their pocket book).

I don't know what everyone is getting worked up over being worried it'll bend more. It may or may not, but I don't think the extra thinness will contribute to that given its not psychotically thinner - more materials and general build will be the determining factor I imagine (without being a materials engineer or anything).

The OLED display, looks nice but I wasn't blown away by brightness indoors and from memory it actually seemed dimmer than my M1 iPad Pro with LED.

To each their own, but even if I had $999 or $1299+ to be careless with, I wouldn't be able to do it without feeling extremely gluttonous and questioning my choices as a consumer.

I have no interest in the M4 ipads anymore. The cost is just not justified. Im far better off buying an OLED tv for that kind of money and keeping my current m1 ipad.

Everyone wants thinner. The new ipads aren't even that much thinner like you said. Make it 0.5mm thick with a total weight of less than 100grams and now we are talking. The battery life seems to be the same 10 hour that m1 and m2 have. Which isn't that great to begin with, can easily kill an m1 or m2 ipad playing video at max brightness and the battery is dead in less than 3 hours max.

All the reviews on YouTube are paid ones. Easy to priase a product that you get for free.

Give it a few weeks before we hear the same stories of peoples new magic keyboard fabric shredding and ripping from general use.
 

axantas

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I have no interest in the M4 ipads anymore. The cost is just not justified. Im far better off buying an OLED tv for that kind of money and keeping my current m1 ipad.

Everyone wants thinner. The new ipads aren't even that much thinner like you said. Make it 0.5mm thick with a total weight of less than 100grams and now we are talking. The battery life seems to be the same 10 hour that m1 and m2 have. Which isn't that great to begin with, can easily kill an m1 or m2 ipad playing video at max brightness and the battery is dead in less than 3 hours max.

All the reviews on YouTube are paid ones. Easy to priase a product that you get for free.
Just talking about the weight of an 11" M1 and the M4: I put both of them on an electronic kitchen scale. Including a standard cover: 652 grams. Both. If you want less weight - do not buy them or take it as a plus: There is more in the batteries now, as the rest got smaller and lighter.
 

Digitalguy

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Really, the speakers were downgraded?
The difference is not night and day and it's not clear if the speakers are smaller or if they simply resonate less because of the thinner body... But something similar happened in reverse from 2018/2020 to M1/M2 (the thicker Miniled iPad pro sounds fuller and with more bass, not clear if they had more room for better speakers or if the thicker body acts as a soundboard. But the difference is noticeable IMO. That does not mean that the 2018 pro or the M4 don't sound good. And ho much volume and bass is important is subjective. The M4 sounds almost ideantical to the 13" Air. The M1/M2 pro is fuller and has more bass.
 

DeepSix

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Just talking about the weight of an 11" M1 and the M4: I put both of them on an electronic kitchen scale. Including a standard cover: 652 grams. Both. If you want less weight - do not buy them or take it as a plus: There is more in the batteries now, as the rest got smaller and lighter.

Reviews have said that the battery life is the same as m1 and m2 iPads. This "all day" battery life from the MacBooks is all hype. If the new iPad has much better battery life I would be willing to pay for that. But now it's a wash and not even an upgrade. You will get nothing for battery life by upgrading to m4 unless the battery in your current iPad is toast.
 

thadoggfather

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The battery life seems to be the same 10 hour that m1 and m2 have. Which isn't that great to begin with, can easily kill an m1 or m2 ipad playing video at max brightness and the battery is dead in less than 3 hours max.
I would love to be a fly on the wall at Cupertino when they have conversations about battery life: who decided that there is no room for improvement on the standard 10 hours for iPad, or a day or under for Apple Watch (ok I see you AW Ultra, but not compelling for someone who has been into smaller size watches from the jump), or whatever the general standard has been for iPhone for some time.

I think we'd all value less time Hooked up to a wall vs a little thinner, or other gimmicks they prioritize in keynote. Less so with iPads, since I'm not on mine 24x7 and can last a long while on a charge with it collecting dust a lot of the time in between but.. even so. Why would more battery life be such a horrendous thing, so much that they seem totally repellent to any consideration of it?

Even with iPhone 15 Plus having the best battery life (and XR when that was the latest with XS), rumor is they're going to pare that back this year with iPhone 16 Plus.

They have declared war on battery life by not doing anything about it.

Apple Silicon has tremendous battery life gains over iNtel, but now that the transition has happened- are they just totally satisfied and resting on their laurels? who wouldn't love a machine that lasts 3 days of intensive usage?

Do they ever conduct surveys as to what people prioritize and want? Or they do and just throw away the results before reviewing them? What on earth.

And I get that not improving battery life makes people long to upgrade their devices sooner possibly, but if they review the tech sheet and see that the spec hasn't really dramatically changed.. what gives?
 

VineRider

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I caved and upgraded my 11" M1 256gb to the corresponding M4. Got the keyboard, case, and pencil. Traded in the M1 at Apple.

Definitely a want and not a need. The screen is noticeably better from my vantage point. Keyboard is also nice with the aluminum cover on the inside. Function keys are good too. The pencil is, well, a pencil. I am not an artist, but I do use the pencil for annotating things, so I needed the pencil.

As far as weight and thinness, not really a large deal to me. I am a tech nerd and just wanted to get the update, so I did.
 

ManuCH

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I did upgrade from the 11" M1 to an 11" M4 256 GB. Received it today.

My reasons for upgrading were:
- because I wanted it
- brighter screen (I use the iPad on trains a lot)
- better keyboard with function rows and aluminum material

I'm happy so far! Oh and I didn't get the pencil: I had the previous one and I sold it, I only used it for some tests but nothing useful really.
 

DeepSix

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I would love to be a fly on the wall at Cupertino when they have conversations about battery life: who decided that there is no room for improvement on the standard 10 hours for iPad, or a day or under for Apple Watch (ok I see you AW Ultra, but not compelling for someone who has been into smaller size watches from the jump), or whatever the general standard has been for iPhone for some time.

I think we'd all value less time Hooked up to a wall vs a little thinner, or other gimmicks they prioritize in keynote. Less so with iPads, since I'm not on mine 24x7 and can last a long while on a charge with it collecting dust a lot of the time in between but.. even so. Why would more battery life be such a horrendous thing, so much that they seem totally repellent to any consideration of it?

Even with iPhone 15 Plus having the best battery life (and XR when that was the latest with XS), rumor is they're going to pare that back this year with iPhone 16 Plus.

They have declared war on battery life by not doing anything about it.

Apple Silicon has tremendous battery life gains over iNtel, but now that the transition has happened- are they just totally satisfied and resting on their laurels? who wouldn't love a machine that lasts 3 days of intensive usage?

Do they ever conduct surveys as to what people prioritize and want? Or they do and just throw away the results before reviewing them? What on earth.

And I get that not improving battery life makes people long to upgrade their devices sooner possibly, but if they review the tech sheet and see that the spec hasn't really dramatically changed.. what gives?

It's inexcusable for Apple to not upgrade the battery life in the M4, especially when they're trying to sell the OLED ipads at this price. Battery life on m1 and m2 ipads weren't that good anyways. Galaxy Tabs have longer battery life and it's larger.
 
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I did. For no other reason than the screen on the M1 drove me crazy when using it in low light. That and the blur when scrolling.

M4 screen fixes both of these and was well worth it just for that. For me at least. Very happy with the upgrade.

Speakers don’t sound quite as full though. Which I feared would be the case based on less internal space.
 

iF34R

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I did. It's the most costly thing I've done to get rid of the blur when scrolling web pages lol. I did also ping a suggestion to Feral Interactive on "X" about allowing the max visuals with 120fps on the M4. :) They replied with "Interesting suggestion". Let's hope!!
 
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