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M1 Pro/Max's GPU performance for gaming is quite poor.
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Now this will spawn a discussion about the best console to own ... 😂
Apple market of interest is not the PC, it’s premium PC. Apple market share is unlikely to increase much further because they are not interested in making a budget PC. And above the 1000$ mark they already own a large chunk of the market.
Yes, so a better question might be: Why bother with Macs at all?
They’ve already established mobile platforms as the predominant form of personal computing.
The bulk of Windows sales globally are to corporate accounts, adminstration, educational mass purchases and similar. These won’t switch to MacOS, (edu sales are actually gravitating ”down” to mobile platforms/Chromebooks), and nor will the core Windows gamers ever do so as their libraries can’t be transferred to MacOS, regardless of the cost of Mac hardware or the state of software support (which clinches the deal).
Apple is only capable of adressing a subset of the classical computing market. And they do, successfully harvesting much of the total profit margin of the personal computer market in spite of their small market share.
Gaming is just another form of entertainment, and people can get a fix of that particular opium for the masses through a lot of channels. While having a larger library would help MacOS for instance in the student demographic that jeanlain pointed out, it is not at all a given that it would make much of a difference overall.
I agree.
Microsoft has indeed shifted away from PC, as they don’t make money of Windows basically. They make money from services. It’s why Microsoft doesn’t care if people pirate Windows.
To be honest, the only reason why MAC still exist is because developers don’t take iOS seriously (yet). But at some point, most of the stuff will be in the cloud anyway, so you won’t need a Mac or PC anyway, you can use your iOS device to do all the same things.
Probably only stuff like video editing and music production will still be local due to the huge amount of files that you would need to be transfering to the cloud, which is a very bad idea.
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I think you're missing their point a little.
The M1 Max/Pro can compete with the very best Windows laptops in creative work on both a sheer performance basis, as well as price, battery life and ratios between all 3 (price/performance energy/performance). That's how they're marketed and differentiated.
It doesn't help Apple at all to shift the focus and comparison to gaming. The M1 Max with 32 cores/32GB does not compete well with far lower cost gaming laptops in either performance or price, so no one is buying an M1 Max (as opposed to a Lenovo Legion with a 200 watt 3070ti or 3080ti) because it has differentiating performance in gaming.
If you know anything at all about Macs and Apple, you'll know they're all about differentiation - even more so now with custom silicon.
Mac gaming pretty much took a bullet when Apple dropped 32-bit support, literally hundreds of games were lost. It's a long climb back to get mainstream AAA games back to the platform, and while I agree it would be great to game on these devices, and no doubt we'll get some good games in the coming years; at these kinds of prices, you're not going to pull gamers away from their gaming devices.
Have you contacted Tim Cook yet as I advised? Did you demand better of him? Did you give him a "kick in the backside" and told him "Apple can't do AAA gaming"? No? Then all your "wise" advices here are nothing but empty words seeking for attention.
Would it, though? I see the forums on gaming here have been quite busy, and if they're busy enough, Apple might eventually see what the fuss is all about. It's not as good as complaining to Apple directly, but it's definitely something.
It's delusional and naive to think Apple would change its strategy, which is planned years in advance, based on random critical posts here on Macrumors by mostly pc enthusiasts with a habit of bashing every new technological progress Apple makes. The enitire internet is full of such posts and posters. The same people preach the same thing in many threads and claim to know better than Apple and other long time Mac users and dismisses every other opinion by simply saying "Apple can't do AAA gaming". It's either trolling or attention seeking, accomplishing nothing.
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Impressive? A Xbox Series X at almost 1/10th of the cost runs those games at 4K without breaking a sweat.
That's why you should get one and not a pc or Mac if your primary goal is gaming.
To the OP - yup - but also - don't care that much and it still CAN play a decent chunk of games fine - pretty impressed with how quietly the base model 16" can play a game like Deus Ex Mankind Divided or any number of long replayable strategy games. If I liked RPGs those are deep long games too. I'm thinking about selling my RTX 3070 desktop GPU and just focusing on the MBP 16. Also in line to get a steam deck here in a couple months. There are so many options to game out there that I think one less consumption focused device is probably a good thing. Plus I could probably use with avoiding another steam holiday sale this year lol.
You could mine ETH and pay for your Mac in a few months time. Even with the power draw.
Running older games that most have to be tweaked into lower settings to replace a gaming desktop. No.
You think apple are going to go up on stage and show off an unlicensed copy of windows?
Eh?
The ARM based Macs were entirely predictable and to anyone who has followed Apple's progress with processors in their mobile devices for the past decade the intel killing performance was expected...
Despite the marketing, despite the secrecy on products, the stuff Apple is working on isn't some black voodoo magic. The pieces they've been working on for the past decade are all gradually falling into place.
Hence why I have a dedicated Windows gaming desktop for games and use my iMac 5K and MBP 14" for everything else.
Definitely not a month, would take two years. I do mine with it and it's about 100-125 a month in etherium at optimized settings (about 120 watt) draw. Considering I paid $$$ for the card to begin with - mining is at best an ok way to recoup some cash - right now I'm focused on earning cash towards SteamDeck to feel slightly better about buying a 3070 at scalper prices and a MBP 16 in the same year (and also a PS5 and XSX) - again, I don't even play that many games. With Sony games coming to PC now - I may even just bounce on the PS5 - although it's a nice integrated machine.
Wow how much did you pay for your 3070? Supposedly I should be able to pay off my 6900xt after a year assuming I mine 24/7 (I don’t. Lol)