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M3 Chip Generation - Discussion Megathread
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I could only see M3 Max for Premiere but nothing for Photoshop yet. I'm sure they will come soon enough.
If you scroll down that list you see many results for M3 and Photoshop/Lightroom but nothing for M3 Max and Photoshop yet.
Analyst believes Apple spent $1 billion to tape out M3 processors.
www.tomshardware.com
Apple Spent $1 Billion to Tape Out New M3 Processors: Analyst
Very few companies can afford a platform like Apple's M3.
Yes, unfortunately. Memory makers can sell their cheap crap to us and we won't even know.
I would argue that those are hobbyist or enthusiast features rather than professional ones. Most businesses buy machines with specifications required by the employe’s role and do not permit users to upgrade parts of their work machine, which would be a nightmare for IT support, and might be prohibited by supplier contracts etc.
I have done this in smaller businesses, where I basically took responsibility for maintaining my own machine, but this is not the norm in my experience
I wouldn’t call fastest and most energy efficient DRAM “cheap crap”. And recent mobile Xeons were just rebranded consumer CPUs anyway. No wonder Intel dropped them.
Different policies for different places, but our IT team did a firmwide RAM upgrade mid-refresh cycle to eke out a bit more performance and to defer the even bigger headache of replacing everyone's machine. In the past we did something similar with a move from HDD to SDD back when we had desktop machines.
More generally I think Apple's lack of RAM and SSD upgradeability (and actively hostile to the latter even when physically possible as in the Mac Studio) should not get a free pass considering on the PC side these things have swung back towards being generally upgradeable in similarly sized and powerful laptops and how stingy Apple's baseline allocation of both are.
One can call those "Pro" features, while I would call the list below "Pro":
- CPU powerful enough to compete with H series Intel and AMD chips with a max consumption of 35 watts,
- GPU powerful enough to compete with RTX 4070 laptop with a max consumption of 50 watts,
- Up to 128 GB unified memory for both CPU and GPU,
- Max performance being consistent whether it is plugged in or not,
- 120 Hz variable refresh rate screen with HDR 1600 knits support,
- Being able to connect 3 x 6K 60 Hz + 1 x 4K 120 Hz external screen simultaneously,
- Being able to complete an entire video project lasting for 7-8 hours on battery,
- Not ramping up the fan speed to make long work sessions comfortable,
- High-impedance headphone output
Just wondering if this is the 16 core cpu m3 max in the 14 inch pro.
14” MacBook Pro M3 Max 16 Core CPU and 40 GPU Geekbench?
Mac15,8
3208
Single-Core Score
21274
Multi-Core Score
Seems similar to the scores in the 16 if it’s the 14. Did the M2 Max have roughly the same scores in the 14” and 16” pros earlier this year?
14” MacBook Pro M3 Max 16 Core CPU and 40 GPU Geekbench?
Mac15,8
3208
Single-Core Score
21274
Multi-Core Score
Seems similar to the scores in the 16 if it’s the 14. Did the M2 Max have roughly the same scores in the 14” and 16” pros earlier this year?
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I thought the 16" M2 Max clocked higher than the 14" M2 Max.
Yes, their scores are similar on the CPU side with M1 Max and M2 Max. The performance difference are on the graphics performance.
Only when you try to load both CPU and GPU at the same time, you can see CPU performance difference.
It's like with SSDs, the industry is chasing fast and cheap, with just good enough, probably-slash-hopefully?, quality.
There are many different kinds of "Pro" users, if you're thinking of, say, large scale enterprise deployments then yes, nobody is ever going to upgrade a machine.
If Apple would support CAMM we could get the best of both worlds (upgradable RAM in a good computer), but of course that's never going to happen. And we've been through the ECC discussion, and why it should be ubiquitous from the Watch to the Mac Pro.
Ethernet is definitely (also) a professional feature, you don't want 10s or 100s of laptops all using WiFi next to each other in one office.
With a "real" AP that many clients (or more) isn't an issue.
Unlikely— the M3 Max SoCs apparently have different CPIDs (6031 and 6034). Likewise, the M3 Pro only has one CPID (6030) and is binned. I’d very much like to see a die shot of the 6034 M3 Max-lite…
Mac15,8 is the MacBook Pro (14-inch) M3 Max with all CPU/GPU cores enabled and 400GB/s memory bandwidth.
It's the same chip just with a memory channel unoccupied on the interposer. Probably due to yields of the TSMC N3B fabric node.
M3 Macs: there’s more to performance than counting cores
A look at some of the factors determining the performance of new M3 chips compared to the M1 and M2 versions, and how not to compare them.
eclecticlight.co