Do you think it’s ok to buy the first runs of the new m4 computers or is it better to wait a month or two in case there are any production kinks to work out
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M4+ Chip Generation - Speculation Megathread [MERGED]
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Since we’re not expecting a redesign I wouldn’t worry about hardware issues with the first batch, but I expect there will be some wrinkles on the software side.
since there is no redesign but mac mini...and M4 is already there for months...there is no worry
Nah, about $75K or so; it would make a killer personal desktop workstation... ;^p
If this is $75K, it’ll definitely be a killer workstation. Absolute domination.
I’ve always said that the Mac Pro needs to be in a class of its own. Whereas the Mac Studio should be more inline with the Nvidia GPU series (4090, 5090….etc)
I am curious, what products are people here looking for? Personally my base need is just a desktop that is almost silent that is substantially more powerful than a laptop. Currently sporting a m3max 16” 128/4tb and it rarely limit me in work but I really would like the 10Gbe network and more ports and a consistent performance when running longer runs like for AI and 3d rendering but tbh, outside of experimentation that is offloaded to a remote machine/cluster anyway so I do not need the ultimate in perf, just decent but then again my comparison is with pro threadrippers with nvidia cards.
I would instabuy a m4ultra if it was available in a desktop form factor, probably max out ram and be set for quite some time. Since ai framworks are in a lousy state on mac it sometimes hard to use for AI work independent of the power of the HW. Pytorch for example is quite unreliable and I find it not really as an option to use MLX etc. in fantasy land, if torch worked would find it lovely to have an m4/5 extreme with 200 GB ram/vram that would be competitive with something like a h200 but I really dont excpect that even if one can fantasize based on the rumors that apple will be creating server level chips for their own needs. However, a h200 based system is quite expensive so if similar power were available it would cost north of 30k and yet again, I would professionally go with nvidia anyway. I guess apple knows this so it will be interesting seeing how they navigate this space.
So, what are you guys hoping for? For real?
I would instabuy a m4ultra if it was available in a desktop form factor, probably max out ram and be set for quite some time. Since ai framworks are in a lousy state on mac it sometimes hard to use for AI work independent of the power of the HW. Pytorch for example is quite unreliable and I find it not really as an option to use MLX etc. in fantasy land, if torch worked would find it lovely to have an m4/5 extreme with 200 GB ram/vram that would be competitive with something like a h200 but I really dont excpect that even if one can fantasize based on the rumors that apple will be creating server level chips for their own needs. However, a h200 based system is quite expensive so if similar power were available it would cost north of 30k and yet again, I would professionally go with nvidia anyway. I guess apple knows this so it will be interesting seeing how they navigate this space.
So, what are you guys hoping for? For real?
There is a 100% chance that the M4 Ultra will sport a 200+ GB RAM configuration. M2 Ultra caps at 192GB. Next step is 200+.
As someone who also owns a M3 Max 128GB RAM, my needs are all set.
What I am anticipating is M2 Ultra specs on the M4 Max.
So first mac with Thunderbolt 5 ports goes to Mac mini with M4 Pro
Nice, TB5 for 80Gbps bi-directional or 120Gbps one way. Wasn't expecting that so soon.
Now we can have fast external storage!
Now we can have fast external storage!
Folks that complained about the power button on the back of the old Mac mini & the Mac Studio about to lose their minds...
Oh, and how about that pricing for a maxed out M4 Pro Mac mini...?
Oh, and how about that pricing for a maxed out M4 Pro Mac mini...?
- M4 Pro SoC
- 14-core CPU
- 20-core GPU
- 16-core Neural Engine
- 64GB RAM
- 8TB SSD
- 10Gb Ethernet
- US$4,699
Based on the M4 Pro specs. These are my predictions for the M4 Max tomorrow.
- M4 Max SoC
- 20-core CPU
- 48-core GPU
- 192GB RAM
- 16TB SSD
- 10Gb Ethernet
- ~ US$????
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Yeah and half ot that is the storage. This has been the case for years.Folks that complained about the power button on the back of the old Mac mini & the Mac Studio about to lose their minds...
Oh, and how about that pricing for a maxed out M4 Pro Mac mini...?
- M4 Pro SoC
- 14-core CPU
- 20-core GPU
- 16-core Neural Engine
- 64GB RAM
- 8TB SSD
- 10Gb Ethernet
- US$4,699
Who cares, I almost never turn my MacStudio off, only when I go on holiday. It is a Mac not a Windows machine.Folks that complained about the power button on the back of the old Mac mini & the Mac Studio about to lose their minds...
Oh, and how about that pricing for a maxed out M4 Pro Mac mini...?
- M4 Pro SoC
- 14-core CPU
- 20-core GPU
- 16-core Neural Engine
- 64GB RAM
- 8TB SSD
- 10Gb Ethernet
- US$4,699
And that pricing, what is the relevancy as you pick a 8TB SSD which is extremely expensive what point are you trying to make as there is NONE.
As an owner of the M3 Max MBP, i'm set for a good # of years.
Personally, the specs below are what I would upgrade to from my M3 max.
Personally, the specs below are what I would upgrade to from my M3 max.
- M-series SoC
- 40-core CPU
- 70-core GPU
- 256GB RAM
- 2TB SSD
- 10Gb Ethernet
- ~ US$ ????
- M3 Max SoC
- 16-core CPU
- 40-core GPU
- 128 GB RAM
- 2TB SSD
So, the m4 pro is 8+4 cores and 273 gb mem bandwidth and a 20 core gpu.
I wonder how that compares to a m3 pro and m3 max in real world apps like blender. I expect it to actually be faster than a m2 max so that makes the current studio with m2 max totally redundant. I see there is either hope for a m4 mac studio or that they just drop the m2 max version to just keep the m2ultra as an option. Well, one could of course hope for a suprise reveal of a m4ultra as well tomorrow but that would have been actually well hidden from rumors
I wonder how that compares to a m3 pro and m3 max in real world apps like blender. I expect it to actually be faster than a m2 max so that makes the current studio with m2 max totally redundant. I see there is either hope for a m4 mac studio or that they just drop the m2 max version to just keep the m2ultra as an option. Well, one could of course hope for a suprise reveal of a m4ultra as well tomorrow but that would have been actually well hidden from rumors
Unfortunately, the Amazon comparison-page leak precludes that. It still shows M2 for the Studio.
iMac on Monday, Mac mini on Tuesday, Mac Studio on Wednesday to complete the Mac desktop line-up...
TB5 in the Mac Studio proclaimed enough for PCIe expansion chassis usage, Mac Pro discontinued...?
WWDC 2025 debuts the M4 Extreme chip and the all-new Mac Pro Cube...?!?
;^p
True. But one can hope. It’s actually even worse. 10 perf cores and 4 e cores on a “full m4 pro”. It has a chance of being very close to a m3 max on the cpu side and similar to a m2 max on gpu but with additional perf in e.g raytracing for rendering in blender. And you have thunderbolt 5 ports as well. Jez, what a mess if ther is no studio with max chip this year
Yeah don't think they want to introduce a M4 Max or higher in a Studio to compete with the new Mini's and new MacBook Pro's. I would want one, and hope they introduce it around feb or so, WDDC would be annoyingly late tbh.
Was there not a weirdo rumor of a medium sized cylinder pro with aluminum lattice floating around? Not quite a cube though…
Yes, I guess we could argue the Amazon leak page was meant for today, not tomorrow. Thus the confusion, with the “one more thing” M4 Max Studio refresh coming as a surprise tomorrow…
I tried but cannot find if the 14 core vs 12 core M4 Pro has two more P-cores or two more E-cores?
Did some calculations (rough) and I expect the blender opendata scores for the m4 pro to have Cpu scores above 300 and gpu scores above 2500. Even if you don’t care about blender, that is a fairly optimized sw for intense stuff . a full m3max is 400/4000 while a m2 max is 250/1700. 🤤 a m4 max is the 550+/5000 range at least. And. And a tentative ultra in the 1000/9000 range. that my friends is a pro computer for serious work. Now that quadra chip …..