Crying about no nVidia support is pointless since the 2019 Mac Pro also can't use them under MacOS. AMD support on the other hand....
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Mac Pro 2023 = Another Mac Pro 2013 crisis and failure.
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And yet, there are quite a lot of people believe that Apple GPU is as power as RTX 40 series which is a joke.
Does it have to be, though? Except for 3D design and rendering (those users went to Win/Linux long time ago) and gaming (how many AAA games are there on Mac?), what would be the point?
To heat one’s house in winter, perhaps… 🤣
It could be argued that the Apple hardware is great but the software was lazy.
In other words piss poor optimization unlike those on Windows.
Heck, I want Tim Cook to do a Snow Leopard and High Sierra for 52 weeks
1. It only proves that Apple can not make powerful GPU. This is well known that Mac had poor GPU performance for a long time due to lack of Nvidia GPU.
2. Therefore, they are limiting too much on their Mac.
3. The software poor will be too limited because of GPU performance.
4. Mac still has several 3D and GPU intensive software. Disney for example.
5. Then why do we even have Mac Pro line up for a long period of time? Ironic.
6. GPU performance is getting more important than before because of AI features. For example, Adobe Photoshop added generative fill and Nvidia GPU perform the best.
7. Apple is being serious with gaming so why not? They even announced porting toolkits and game mode on macOS officially.
People seem to forget that even 2D based software such as Lightroom, FCPX, and Design still requires powerful GPU for the best performance.
Better way to look at this is the total cost of ownership & total user experience.
If Apple Silicon is a near 2nd place due to software not being that aggressively optimized but you avoid all Windows 11 bottlenecks then I don't really mind.
It is like the 2015 Google Nexus 6P rear camera having slightly better image quality than a 2015 iPhone 6 Plus.
On paper that specific feature is slightly better but with the Google phone I experienced AMOLED burn-in, boot loop and bad battery before its 10th month of use. It even had a class action lawsuit.
I guess we know why the 6P was Android-cheap. A Google flagship that flawed.... ewwww.
In contrast the iPhone works well as any iPhone I've used but the battery's worn out after its 3rd year.
Is the new Mac Pro good for browsing the web with Safari? I usually have half a dozen tabs open.
Seriously... the Nvidia tears are getting so old. Nvidia sucks as a company, I am glad Apple cut ties with them. I won't even buy Nvidia GPUs to use in PCs anymore... AMD is good enough. But there's absolutely no excuse for Apple ditching AMD so early, when their integrated GPUs just aren't quite there yet. If they want to improve their GPUs to the point that no one will be disappointed using the ASi integrated GPUs anymore, that's great... but until then they should have stuck with AMD.
And no Intel chips exist today to get the performance (especially on battery
So add the drives you need?
It may not handle half those tabs with Chrome though what with just 64GB of memory?
The whole point of 1.5TB memory of the 2019 is so that Chrome can sing on Intel.
It's not just about the software optimization, Apple GPU itself is slow. This is why Nvidia is dominating the GPU market and most of software are Nvidia based or friendly.
Honestly, quite a lot cause it's a lot cheaper than Mac so not a big deal beside even Adobe is start adding GPU intensive AI features where Nvidia take advantage. Yes, I'm seeing them every single day. Do you even aware that RTX 4090 can use at 200W as you can change the wattage? Beside, I can even build a desktop with RTX 4090 for just $3500 including tax. If the noise fan noise is a problem, you can also make silent setup.
To think Apple left PowerPC for Intel over this very same issue.
The best x86 laptop is powered by 5nm AMD laptop chips.
Likely the choice apps are mostly made for Nvidia dGPUs?
When few have incentive to optimize their software for other GPU cores then what is the point?
Perfect is the enemy of good...
Most users prefer cheap, light and turn into e-waste without having a heart attack over $6999.
Even a native game, RE8, proves that Apple GPU is a lot slower. M1 Max was half the performance of mobile RTX 3070TI on RE8. Beside, Apple GPU itself is poor and slow so why would anyone wish to support Mac?
Apple would be really happy to sell you one, I'm sure. And I can guarantee it'll handle that load.
Yet again on MR we’re bogged down on a discussion of pro workflows that has somehow drifted into talking about games 🙄
It's not clear if there will be any Mac Pros in the future. As others said, people who need powerful workstations are fleeing Macs. As the users flee, so will the software developers. There are still use cases where current Mac Pro will do well but as the gap between Mac Pro and other workstations increases and people keep switching there might come a moment when Apple decides that Mac Pro does not make sense for them. I am curious how much money Apple still makes from the FCP and related hardware sales. It must be shrinking.
It's not totally pointless. nVidia increasing their lead makes the issue more important now than it was in 2019.
1. No it doesnt - it proves they choose not to make one.
2. No they aren’t, the M2 Ultra is very fast and does not limit what you can do, only how fast you can do it.
3. Citation needed
4. So the existing hardware doesn’t actually limit 3D intensive software nice to know
5. Nonesensical
6. True, but why do we want to promote NVIDIA vendor lock in?
7. Ideally they should want game studios to optimize for their worst hardware (M1) rather than their best…
