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jmho

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If Apple wanted to have a crack at that specialised AI market, they would also need to put a lot of work in, and likely have to sell it for a similar price.
Yes, but A100s cost $10k each, and 2xEPYCs also aren’t cheap either.

Anyway the only reason the DGX is interesting is that it shows that when a manufacturer is willing to manufacture everything themselves and have a custom software stack then suddenly you can put 8 GPUs in one machine and have them linked with incredibly high bandwidth without it being a total nightmare.

Nobody thinks Apple is going to make the Mac Pro into a 250k AI data center machine. They just think that putting 8+ “compute modules” in a single box is doable and has precedent with these high end AI servers.
 
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mode11

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Fair play, I read your comment as saying Apple could make a version of the DGX itself for $25K. I see now you were talking more about the general concept of a custom 8-GPU workstation.

Given you can easily spend $25K already on a Mac Pro, which uses off-the-shelf Xeons and AMD GPUs, this exotic machine sounds like it would be a lot more though. Time will tell.
 

Kimmo

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Apples crack team has struck again! 😂😂😂 But honestly, that’s an awesome theory and it would be so cool if Apple took old footage from a previous keynote and zoomed in on it and revealed it to be the 8.1😊✨
That would be fun, but would also require a certain amount of whimsy to pull it off.

Steve? Yeah, he had it.

Tim? Doubt it.

Johny? Ah, no, but he's good at other stuff. :)

Word on the street is we will be seeing something this month. Let's see how right and/or wrong we all have collectively been over the past few months :)
Gosh, I hope you're right.

I've been holding off on buying a Studio Ultra for so long it's getting ridiculous.

Would the Studio meet my needs? Yep, for now. But I really want to get a look at the 8,1 before spending a lot on a non-upgradable system.

C'mon Johny. Dazzle us with the new, new thing!
 
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Boil

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How would 4 dies connect?

I'm not an engineer of any sorts, so I dunno...

Maybe something comes out of the older "Redfern" rumors...?

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I just wish Apple would let the rest of the world in on whatever it has planned for the ASi Mac Pro...!
 
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prefuse07

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So.... I just had this crazy thought..... And since this is the WHAT IF thread.... let's get crazy!

What if apple developed their own x86 chip to use in the 8,1 Mac Pro, and all the talk about an M1 Mac Pro was to steer everyone in a different direction?

The chip would still be "Apple Silicon", perhaps a chance to literally beat Intel at their own game.

They re-use the 7,1 case, upgrade the mobo with the the new silicon, upgrade slots to PCIe 4, and then release drivers for the AMD 7k series cards with Ventura 13.3, which is what the 8,1 ships with. Meanwhile, they continue to work behind the scenes and release the AS Mac Pro in ~3-4 years, after they've had ample time to mature it.

Isn't TSMC where AMD gets their Ryzen and Threadripper chips from?

I know the chances of this actually being true are slim-to-none, with a high nod to "none", and I know that 13.3 is already in Beta 2, however, the timeline for 13.3 is extended all the way out to June 20th... so... What if?! 🤪
 

SDAVE

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They are most likely going to reuse the 7,1 case, with modifications. It's really a beautiful machine and as overengineered it seems, I think its one of the best computers I've ever had and I've had like 20+ desktops in my lifetime ranging from old G3 macs to custom PCs. The case is amazing and it never gets loud under full load. I really don't think Apple would spend more money doing R&D on this case, it's already pretty damn good. Now the size of it? Who knows it might be smaller. But to me it's the perfect tower size and the design looks timeless, even if its almost 5 years old.
 

AndreeOnline

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March 8? That's a Wednesday. How about the 7th?
Wouldn't get my hopes up. Last year's March 8th was on the early side, historically.

  • 2022: Tuesday, March 8
  • 2021: Tuesday, April 20
  • 2020: No event due to Covid
  • 2019: Monday, March 25
  • 2018: Tuesday, March 27
  • 2017: No event

Macworld has the 2023 event as rumored for April 23rd.
 
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mode11

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They are most likely going to reuse the 7,1 case, with modifications. It's really a beautiful machine and as overengineered it seems, I think its one of the best computers I've ever had and I've had like 20+ desktops in my lifetime ranging from old G3 macs to custom PCs. The case is amazing and it never gets loud under full load. I really don't think Apple would spend more money doing R&D on this case, it's already pretty damn good. Now the size of it? Who knows it might be smaller. But to me it's the perfect tower size and the design looks timeless, even if its almost 5 years old.
Apple usually make a point of reusing chassis across transitions, just to smooth over any customer anxiety about the fundamental changes going on inside. Once the dust settles they start changing the exteriors again.
 

SDAVE

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Apple usually make a point of reusing chassis across transitions, just to smooth over any customer anxiety about the fundamental changes going on inside. Once the dust settles they start changing the exteriors again.

Yeah, they had the Mac Pro 5,1 case or iterations of it for about 10 years

I'm pretty sure they will have PCIe slots. Even iPhones use PCIe lanes for the NAND chips etc. The M1/M2 variants as well. Now how many lanes I don't know. The 28Core Xeon in the 2019 (which is what I have) has 64 PCIe lanes I think.
 

Boil

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Macworld has the 2023 event as rumored for April 23rd.

Potential timeline:

April Apple Event - Who knows what all it might be, but it will end with "One more thing...", then Johny Srouji rolls out a Cheesegrater 2.0 chassis, plugs it into two 40" 8K XDR Ultra displays (via TB5), and opens GeekBench 6 & [Insert 3D benchmark of the month here], pops open the terminal and runs a script to start them both simultaneously; the machine returns the highest scores ever, both screens go dark, then a fancy motion graphic of the M3 Ultra & M3 Extreme SoC icons/logos fills the screens...

"The all-new Apple silicon Mac Pro, powered by the M3 Ultra & M3 Extreme, we know you're going to love them...!"

The teaser closes with "More to come at WWDC 2023"

WWDC 2023 - Full coverage of the ASi Mac Pro models, all the specs on the 3nm chips & whatnot, including the reveal of the ASi (GP)GPUs; a bunch of audio, video, & 3D DCC software demos from all the "big players", in both software development & production / VFX studio viewpoints; "Pre-orders Soon"...

Apple usually make a point of reusing chassis across transitions, just to smooth over any customer anxiety about the fundamental changes going on inside. Once the dust settles they start changing the exteriors again.

I would like to see a M3 Extreme Mac Cube, for those who want all the power, but do not need the slots...
 
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singhs.apps

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Whelp. The India today interview suggests the silicon isn’t going to scale all the way upto the Mac Pro.

So we are looking at multiple Mac studios in a box scenario for Mac Pro ?
Or an Intel Mac Pro with m1 ultra mpx modules ?

Or said Apple representative didn’t get the memo ?
 
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singhs.apps

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Well… the writer of the article mentions a new Mac Pro..but the executive makes ZERO mention of the Mac Pro.

According to the executive the Apple silicon can power and transform all the way from a MacBook Air upto a Mac Studio (makes no mention of a Mac Pro) In the same sentence he mentions that Apple intends to fully transition to a Apple silicon lineup, which was their goal from the beginning.

It’s a vague statement. I just focused on the Apple silicon going from the MB Air to a Mac Studio. Why not all the way to the Mac Pro ?

So does it mean the nMP will not be an all Apple silicon?
Will it be the ultra + GPUs? (if so which GPUs ).. or several ultra mpx modules (the 215 max power draw leaves plenty of room for several Mac studios in a box = Mac Pro approach)
Or just an ultra with some Ram + PCI-e slots ?

Or an intel + AS ultra MPX modules ?
 

Boil

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You keep doing the +1 on the generation.

It's M2.

Being intentional doesn't make it correct. =)

Most assume the first gen ASi Mac Pro will be powered by the M2 Ultra...

3nm wafers are in production as we speak...

Apple fully expected to be shipping 3nm products at this point...

I feel the M2 SoCs (M2 / M2 Pro / M2 Max) are a stopgap, intended for certain always on demand products like the laptops they are currently in, the Mac mini getting the M2 & M2 Pro are also easy includes for the folks out there wanting a headless desktop on the low end of the product stack...

If ANY product in the Mac stack needs the benefits of a die shrink, it is the Mac Pro...

The M3 Ultra & M3 Extreme powered ASi Mac Pros will deliver astounding performance, will complete the transition of all Mac products to Apple silicon, and will allow the macOS code base itself to begin the transition to fully Apple silicon specific code, eventually flushing out all the Intel cruft that is no longer needed...

I may be right, I may be wrong, only time will tell...! ;^p
 

MacPoulet

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Well… the writer of the article mentions a new Mac Pro..but the executive makes ZERO mention of the Mac Pro.
It's a weird article, or at least it's weird for the author to come to a conclusion about the Mac Pro from the quote used in it. If anything, all I got from the read was there weren't going to be anymore Non-Apple Silicon Macs going forward. Without a specific mention of a Mac Pro (but talking the Mac Studio as the top of ASi), it looks like the Studio is more than a one-off.

And for everyone who needs the Pro, I really hope you get it and it blows your socks off (because of the massive fans).
 

singhs.apps

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It's a weird article, or at least it's weird for the author to come to a conclusion about the Mac Pro from the quote used in it. If anything, all I got from the read was there weren't going to be anymore Non-Apple Silicon Macs going forward. Without a specific mention of a Mac Pro (but talking the Mac Studio as the top of ASi), it looks like the Studio is more than a one-off.

And for everyone who needs the Pro, I really hope you get it and it blows your socks off (because of the massive fans).
I generally never get to wear socks, but I’ll start wearing them regularly and wait for them to be blown off.:p

But yeah. It appears the Mac Studio probably won’t be a one and done thing. Probably.

Or maybe it was just an advert to increase Mac sales.
 
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deconstruct60

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Well… the writer of the article mentions a new Mac Pro..but the executive makes ZERO mention of the Mac Pro.

Given the writer of the article will make more money in click/ad views if he mentions 'Mac Pro' and the executive could be fired from his job if he does say 'Mac Pro' (an unreleased product) that outcome is entirely not surprising. In fact, it is a huge head scratcher why so many people expect it to be otherwise.

The new Mac Pro is an unreleased product and Apple is quite strict about talking about stuff that is unlerealsed. If the author had ask specifically about the 2019 MP or the released MPX modules or any released product then executive could have said something.

The executive referenced that Apple intened to complete the transition. Which again is a allusion back to 'forward looking' comments that Apple had already released. The "about 2 years transition' for the 'mac product line up' and the 'there is only one left... Mac Pro...' ( which is only pointing out the obvious when there is only one to go. ). The explicit mentions are only for stuff that people can buy now. That is primarily what Apple focuses these executive chats on (stuff that can buy (i.e., released). )

Folks want to apply Dell's or Intel's or AMD corporate policies to Apple executives and say they Apple folks talk 'strange'. It is like walking into a Orthodox Jewish Deli and asking the folks to talk about how great pork is and then ranting how they won't talk about pork. They don't 'do' pork, so why are you expecting them to talk about pork?

Apple knows they have blown past their "about 2 years" roadmap timeline. Indirectly acknowledging that they are not done is simply just communicating.

According to the executive the Apple silicon can power and transform all the way from a MacBook Air upto a Mac Studio (makes no mention of a Mac Pro)

Those are released products. Apple employees can talk about those. The new Mac Pro is not.

In the same sentence he mentions that Apple intends to fully transition to a Apple silicon lineup, which was their goal from the beginning.

And also already officially explicitly stated. There is zero new policy or statement of direction there. Just same thing from over 2 years ago.


It’s a vague statement. I just focused on the Apple silicon going from the MB Air to a Mac Studio. Why not all the way to the Mac Pro ?

It is a consistent statement. Just as 'detailed' at the 2 year old one. ( implicit just one left Mac Pro ... still there from about a year ago. ) . And not violating corporate policy of not talking about unreleased products ( a multiple DECADES long policy. Surprising it should not be in any way shape or form. ).



So does it mean the nMP will not be an all Apple silicon?

I means Apple has not changed their DECADES old policy. That's it. You can stand on your head twisting your neck into double somersaults expecting Apple to be someone else that what they have stated they are. Apple is acting entirely consistently.


I suspect there are some folks trying to act dense on purpose. If just generate collosal, wide spread confusion then Apple will have to break character and policy and talk about unreleased product to tap down the out of control rumors. That is flawed in two ways. First, It is likely not going to do much to convince Apple to switch to doing early talks. If folks don't listen to what Apple does say ( we have policy of not commenting.... and then grossly distort that into some disninformation vibe) then where is the expectation developed that folks aren't still going to twist what Apple says into something else for their own narrative.

Second, Apple objective to 'delight and surprise' ... the mass confusion just adds to that. Some folks get surprised because they are off in the weeds chasing made up stuff that Apple never said. It gets even easier to surprise those folks because they are distracted on misdirection.
 
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treehuggerpro

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It’s a vague statement. I just focused on the Apple silicon going from the MB Air to a Mac Studio. Why not all the way to the Mac Pro ?

The quote, I'm guessing, was in response to a question about when the transition will be complete, re: Mac Pro . . .

"We have a clear goal to transition fully to Apple Silicone [sic]," said Borchers. "We believe strongly that Apple silicon can power and transform experiences from the MacBook Air to all the way up to the Mac Studio. We've been very clear from the beginning that our goal is to take our entire product line to Apple Silicon. And that's something we intend to do."

. . . the distinction made, more than likely, was just to delineate between existing and future products in line with Apple's usual, 'we don't comment on future products' schtick. Frustrating, but I don't think you can read much more into it than that. The journalist's "soon" statement seemed more problematic given the quote used.

. . . it looks like the Studio is more than a one-off.

Yeah, the line / strategy expressed at the end of the article . . .

What is next for Apple Silicon? Borchers says that instead of looking at the specific chipsets, the company tends to look at the product, the whole package. As an example, he talks of Mac mini and Mac Studio, both of which come in at similar price points at the high-end. Yet, because the two offer different functionality, Apple believes that they serve different customers. One offers consumers a great form factor, whereas the other one brings in the flexibility of more I/O and connectivity options.

"It's important to reiterate that customers buy products, not chips," he said.

. . . seemed to suggest that Apple will, perhaps, support a broader line-up going forward with A/Si.
 

avkills

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The fact that Apple discloses zero information about upcoming products designed for professionals is the whole reason why most professionals have a bit of a disdain for Apple.

Case in point, Intel just released new Xeon processors, everyone and their brother knows that Dell, HP and Puget are going to sell systems with those chips in them; Intel going so far as to openly show who will be doing them first.

Would it kill Apple to at least have *a tiny bit* of info on their website about what the future plans are? I guess one would say that would hurt sales, but does it really if everyone knows there is a major transition about to take place?

I was one of those lucky ones who bought the 2019 MP; and was informed at the very next major Apple event that they would be transitioning to home grown chips over the next 2 years; thank God they slipped on that IMO. Not only that, Apple's trade in value is between 5-10%.

It is hard to say if I still would have bought knowing; because frankly, the 2019 MP is the best machine I've owned. More than likely I would have still bought it because I needed something (like 5 years ago) and there was no way I was going to shell out for one of those trashcans.
 
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