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MP 7,1 Mac Pro 8.1 - WHAT IF...
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More likely that Apple sends them a machine for free so that they can check off a bullet point on their marketing materials 😅
VR is more GPU intensive, and more hardware update intensive than Apple is prepared to be.
Low-medium-end GPUs, updated every 4 years when you buy a new machine isn't compatible with the explosive early stages of a new platform. It will never stop being funny that Gravity Sketch, a headline app, launched as Vega-64 only, and didn't include the Vega-56 iMac in supported configurations for a week or so.
They showed up to a machinegun fight, with a disposable spork. I worked on events where VR was demoed and running smoothly on laptops with GTX1080s, and you couldn't even get that level of performance in an iMac Pro - it was laughable.
You are 100% correct and I DO remember that. I was SO excited when they showed that off!
Kinda depressing because they are probably right. M2 ultra for Mac Pro is a big let down.
I mean you would think they know this by now. GPUs have always been ahead of the curve outside of Apple's ecosystem and that won't change. Apple completely removed NVIDIA from the equation, and they don't even support AMD that well even tho they're close to them (still no RDNA 3 drivers for Intel macs).
Anyone old enough to remember when they used to have Quake 3 and other games advertised will know that this has always been the way. The Apple marketing team just checks off a box but in the real world, no one games on a Mac or does GPU intensive work...at least in applications that require high end compute units.
It really is pretty crappy that Apple can't put aside the beef and make it easy for AMD and NVIDIA to write drivers for macOS with ease.
You're right, Apple's overall strategy has been to just ship substandard performance, and ask everyone to lower their expectations to whatever is within the capabilities of the hardware Apple wants to ship.
So with this recent revelation:
www.macrumors.com
There is now even more reason for apple to release new MPX modules, drivers for the 7k series cards with macOS 13.4, and continued support for the 7,1
Apple Silicon Mac Pro Reportedly Not Coming at WWDC, Mac Studio Refresh Likely Delayed Until M3
The Apple silicon Mac Pro will not be among the new hardware announcements at WWDC 2023, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman believes. Speaking on the...
www.macrumors.com
There is now even more reason for apple to release new MPX modules, drivers for the 7k series cards with macOS 13.4, and continued support for the 7,1
****in ****in ****! Please let the rumors be false. I intend to buy new gear this fall and was expecting a mp by now . Or at least at wwdc. Now I have horrid flashbacks of the waiting game from 2015 and forwards….
Apple absolutely needs to at least address the mac pro by wwdc this year or I don’t know why I even wait
Apple absolutely needs to at least address the mac pro by wwdc this year or I don’t know why I even wait
I am hoping they come out and announce updated AMD drivers when they unveil macOS 13.4 (the opening for WWDC), along with new MPX modules (W7900XTX, W7800X Duo) and continued support for the 7,1, while explaining that they admit they failed in trying to release an M1 Ultra Mac Pro (which would have been a total failure), and are now working on a machine "that will blow you guys away" (even though in reality it will still probably be a joke, especially if it is not modular).
I agree though. They just keep spitting on their Pro users, I can't believe they are so out of touch!
Yeah, I feel your pain. I'm about to drop $15k on a Puget system when I get back from Thailand and I am a 100% Apple guy. I mean I'm as pure as they come...if I AM OUT HERE BUYING OUTSIDE THE ECOSYSTEM THEN SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY WRONG because I'm the VERY LAST person that would ever do that.
This would be great. My dream scenario "which is almost why it's 95% guaranteed not to happen lol", is they release the w7800x duo with custom infinity fabric just for Mac Pro, ALONGSIDE, an updated AFTERBURNER card that comes equipped with the neural engine and the media encoder engine that's onboard the M series chips "if not just a full on m series chip in the afterburner.
The reality is they wouldn't do that because outside of the CPU issue, THAT in and of itself gets the 7.1 to 90% of it's full power and at that point you don't need any other machine. Now you have a GPU monster, an EDITING monster, a VFX monster...and really its only weakness would be the CPU and non upgraded PCIe slots. Which most would be able to look over if they had these other components.
So with this recent revelation:
Apple Silicon Mac Pro Reportedly Not Coming at WWDC, Mac Studio Refresh Likely Delayed Until M3
The Apple silicon Mac Pro will not be among the new hardware announcements at WWDC 2023, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman believes. Speaking on the...
There is now even more reason for apple to release new MPX modules, drivers for the 7k series cards with macOS 13.4, and continued support for the 7,1
I really look at this is good news. Means we won’t get some bastardized M2 ultra version of this. There’s a really good chance we can get an M3 Xtreme version with slots and other things we all really want. I’d rather it take longer and them do it right.
Everyone launches new Xeons with new Nvidia graphics, and suddenly the Mac Pro gets "delayed" again...
If we're to believe these "rumours" are anything but whole-cloth fiction, to me that suggests Apple's development cycle is failing - that the "pro" desktop designs they're creating are becoming obsolete in terms of performance & capability relative to the wider industry while they're still in development.
Which rather fits into the narrative that the wheels are coming off the company in a way that matches the idiom of "success breeds failure".
Apple has bet against the mainstream PC industry on chip technologies 3 times. First two times it followed the same pattern that arguably Apple Silicon is following - initial success with a window of higher performance based on novel technological advantage, followed by a long stagnation & loss of markets.
If we're to believe these "rumours" are anything but whole-cloth fiction, to me that suggests Apple's development cycle is failing - that the "pro" desktop designs they're creating are becoming obsolete in terms of performance & capability relative to the wider industry while they're still in development.
Which rather fits into the narrative that the wheels are coming off the company in a way that matches the idiom of "success breeds failure".
Apple has bet against the mainstream PC industry on chip technologies 3 times. First two times it followed the same pattern that arguably Apple Silicon is following - initial success with a window of higher performance based on novel technological advantage, followed by a long stagnation & loss of markets.
I don't know, maybe they ought to just give up this long drawn out process and adopt current Intel Xeon processors.
Use those and make a massively robust and powerful machine. But give some users an entry level option to so they don't get all upset.
Use those and make a massively robust and powerful machine. But give some users an entry level option to so they don't get all upset.
The trouble is that Apple wants to smother the x86 build of macOS, toss it in a shallow grave, cover the corpse with quick lime, bury it under a pile of rocks, and forget it ever existed. That agenda is probably more important to Apple than the Mac Pro as a product. They don't want to maintain two branches longer than they have to and we all know how ruthless Apple is with transitions. Not having to worry about maintaining legacy x86 code is not only a technical benefit, but also a financial one. The sooner macOS drops x86, the sooner the old models become obsolete, particularly when security patches end. That puts greater incentive on Intel users to make the switch to Apple Silicon. Even if Apple releases an underwhelming Mac Pro, it will serve the purpose of ending the x86 lineage, which is the ultimate goal.
The 2019 Mac Pro is like the last of the Qin dynasty, the Han marauders at the ramparts, with Apple Silicon holding the "Mandate of Heaven", to use a historical analogy. The Intel Mac Pro is already dead, Apple killed it, it just hasn't realized that it's already dead.
Apple doesn't care about feelings, no matter how many pitchforks we have in this forum. They care about profit, like all corporations. If they lose some pro customers along the way then I think they'll sleep just fine, even if that means that a traditional hyper-modular Mac Pro sleeps with the fishes.
You're confusing the marketing message, and that's what WWDC is - a marcom event, with the actual risk management necessary to develop an operating system.
Apple constantly maintains macOS on multiple architectures, and has done since System 7.
Until they have native windows compatibility with Apple Silicon then I won’t touch it. I’ll use the 7,1 for as long as I can with MacOS then eventually go over to 100% windows.
I won’t give more large sums of money to them.
I’m not blinkered by the beautiful Apple light. If they want me to go Apple Silicon for a desktop then they will have to make it work for my needs.
I won’t give more large sums of money to them.
I’m not blinkered by the beautiful Apple light. If they want me to go Apple Silicon for a desktop then they will have to make it work for my needs.
I need a Pro CPU as well. It's all well and dandy to get the latest GPUs but what about the CPUs. The single core and multicore speeds are stuck in 2019 and even in 2019 the Xeons were not even on par with Threadripper.
This is not a PRO machine. This Mac costs $6000 just to buy the base model. I expect top of the line specs for $6k or at least the latest spec.
I am very saddened, Apple can't even matain x86 for desktop Macs. Microsoft supports both ARM and x86 windows.
Heck if macOS was available to purchase like Windows is, I would not even touch Apple hardware as it's outdated when it comes to their desktop Macs.
It's time people here started thinking about Apple and where it's priorities lay and its not Mac Pro.
I am starting to lose hope
Not all corporations. Some care about Profit AND their fans. These companies deliver and if they fail they are transparent and say they will do better.
AMD and Nintendo fall into this category. They deliver hits after hits. AMDs chips always deliver since Ryzen and Nintendo's games are always high quality/have great stories. Sure they delay products but the delay is often to make the product better and is not the cause of bad management.
The underdog is always 'nicer' than the incumbent. AMD were in the doldrums for a long time before Ryzen, whilst Intel was seemingly unstoppable. Even after Intel hit a wall, their ST CPU performance was still (surprisingly) competitive, even if power consumption and value wasn't. And Intel's latest couple of generations have narrowed the gap considerably (at least on the desktop), arguably overtaking AMD again. AMD hasn't got the option of resting on its laurels.
Basically, no company 'cares' about its fans. They will all coast and raise prices when they have little competition, and only deliver greater value when they had a credible threat. Nvidia are the same - they dominate the GPU industry and have consistently jacked up prices in recent years. They will only reduce them if they start losing revenue share to AMD. Currently, though, it seems their strategy is just to own the high end / most profitable part of the market, and leave the lower end to the competition (similar to Apple).
I agree that Nintendo consistently produce high-quality software, however. They have committed to this path, and consciously avoid simply trying to compete on hardware performance.
Yes, as someone who lived through the PPC days, this is the concern. I've always felt that ASi was more about porting macOS to the same hardware as their main platform, iOS, for the associated cost savings. Rather than a reward for Mac users.
Still, this strategy works out very well for laptops, which being mobile have overlapping requirements with the iPhone / iPad. Laptops clearly represent the bulk of Mac sales, so I can't fault the business logic. And products like the 24" iMac and Mac mini are essentially laptops with big / no screens, so it works for them too.
The Mac Pro is the big test of Apple's long-term desktop strategy though, seemingly laying way outside the Venn diagram of their other priorities. This is why its potential architecture is so fascinating, even to those like myself who are unlikely to buy an 8,1 (at least initially). 2019 MP aside, the Mac Pro also seems like a line that Apple have been trying to kill for years, so you'd think some at Apple are sorely tempted to do so.
Fair point, though they don't need to provide user support, timely updates, extensive driver support etc. for an internal build of macOS. It's only there as a safety net, and perhaps as a benchmark for macOS performance on other architectures. Although the latter would be a bit unnecessary, given there's likely lots of ways of estimating that with reasonable accuracy.