Mac Pro Arrived! Pics Included

[devmage]

Am I the only one that thinks the power input should be towards the bottom and not the top?

I noticed that too, I liked that about my G5. Now it is more like most PCs.

 

[aiongiant]

Am I the only one that thinks the power input should be towards the bottom and not the top?

it's suppose to be casue heat rises putting on top helps cool down the computer

 

[dib8]

OK Call them up and change the order on the TELEPHONE. You have just spent an extra $150 because you didn't order the 7300 GT Alacarte for only $149 each here while you can get the Radeon X1900 with your Mac Pro for only $350 when you order it with the computer.

IE change your order or you just paid for another GeForce 7300 GT for NOTHING.

What I want to know is why is Apple saying you can only use GeForce 7300 GT in the Mac Pro and not in the Quad G5? Is the power different in the Mac Pro PCI Express bus so the newer faster cheaper card won't run in Quad G5?

I think u need help with your math. If the system is ordered as is and the x1900 card is orderd alacarte u get both video cards paying $499.

If you BTO with the x1900 it is $350 more and then the alacarte 7300 GT card is $150 which means your still revieving both cards for $500.

the good thing about doing it the first way is u dont have to wait the extra time to get the Mac Pro.

and yes ANY combination of those 3 GUI cards work as long as its the mac version and u have enough slots. I confirmed this with Apple.

 

[Josias]

Apple also has to place the components logically to make room for 6 SATA bays.

BTW, I don't think it will bother you that much, just turn the MP upside down.

 

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Very Alone • You Are The Only One

Am I the only one that thinks the power input should be towards the bottom and not the top?

Yes you are alone in thinking that way.

 

[Chundles]

Well, keeping the power supply at the top means that the heat generated is radiated out without spreading too far into the internals of the the machine.

If the power supply was at the bottom, the heat would radiate throughout the system, requiring more fans too cool it, more fans = more noise and more noise is not acceptable for a lot of Pros.

Yes, it looks a little awkward up there but it's in the best spot for keeping the rest of the system cool and quiet.

 

[eyeluvmyimac]

Am I the only one that thinks the power input should be towards the bottom and not the top?

I know! When I first saw that leaked pic of what was rumored to be the new Mac Pro that's what I was thinking and I thought 'surely they wont do that, Apple loves to make their machines in such a way that cords look elegent - yet here it is! There must be a reason that trumps the aesthetic loss, I just wish it wasn't so. Didn't make me not order mine though (it's currently on the delivery truck)

I had a couple questions for anyone that knows regarding the RAM:

1) Apple says they created this RAM for the Mac Pro with special heat sinks - the crucial RAM discussed here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/223084/ does not appear to have those - you think its going to cause problems?

2) I know that you have to install the RAM in pairs of 2, but does it have ti be split evenly between the 2 slide-in boards?

Thanks

Edit: wrong link

 

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Do All The Mac Pro Video Cards Work In G5 Dual Core & Quads As Well Or Why Not?

I think u need help with your math. If the system is ordered as is and the x1900 card is orderd alacarte u get both video cards paying $499.

If you BTO with the x1900 it is $350 more and then the alacarte 7300 GT card is $150 which means your still revieving both cards for $500.

the good thing about doing it the first way is u dont have to wait the extra time to get the Mac Pro.

and yes ANY combination of those 3 GUI cards work as long as its the mac version and u have enough slots. I confirmed this with Apple.

Thanks for the math lesson. Did you confirm they all work in G5 Dual Core and Quads? The descriptions say Mac Pro ONLY. That can't be right can it?

I'm on phone with Apple Tech and they refuse to say. All they will say is it's not supported for the Quad - not that it won't work. Irony is the new 7300 is only $150 while the old slower 6600 is $200. Bummer.

 

[devmage]

I know! When I first saw that leaked pic of what was rumored to be the new Mac Pro that's what I was thinking and I thought 'surely they wont do that, Apple loves to make their machines in such a way that cords look elegent - yet here it is! There must be a reason that trumps the aesthetic loss, I just wish it wasn't so. Didn't make me not order mine though (it's currently on the delivery truck)

I had a couple questions for anyone that knows regarding the RAM:

1) Apple says they created this RAM for the Mac Pro with special heat sinks - the crucial RAM discussed here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/218162/ does not appear to have those - you think its going to cause problems?

2) I know that you have to install the RAM in pairs of 2, but does it have ti be split evenly between the 2 slide-in boards?

Thanks

The crucial RAM has heat sinks on it, you must have it on fully buffered RAM because of the processor. If you look at the pictures on their site you can clearly see they do.

Also someone posted this link http://www.intel.com/technology/magazine/computing/Fully-buffered-DIMM-0305.htm
To a good explanation of the Fully Buffered RAM.

The diagrams I saw on how memory is installed is you install them in pairs on each board, so if you had 4 dims it would be 2 on one board and 2 on the other. If you had 6 it would be 4 on the first board 2 on the second like that.

 

[dib8]

crucial isnt the only company with ram out for the mac pro.

18004memory.com
macsales.com

 

[SWC]

Kingston has ram available as well $185/1GB stick I beleive through newegg

 

[eyeluvmyimac]

The crucial RAM has heat sinks on it, you must have it on fully buffered RAM because of the processor. If you look at the pictures on their site you can clearly see they do.

Also someone posted this link http://www.intel.com/technology/magazine/computing/Fully-buffered-DIMM-0305.htm
To a good explanation of the Fully Buffered RAM.

The diagrams I saw on how memory is installed is you install them in pairs on each board, so if you had 4 dims it would be 2 on one board and 2 on the other. If you had 6 it would be 4 on the first board 2 on the second like that.

Woops- posted the wrong link, should've been: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/223084/

Anyways yea the Crucial ram obviously has heat sinks but they dont look nearly as large:

Check out this comparison
Apple -

Crucial -

 

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Crucial is $172 per 1GB Stick • CaseCooler.com Sells All Sorts of Heatsinks

Kingston has ram available as well $185/1GB stick I beleive through newegg

Crucial is $172 a stick. You can buy the heatsinks alacarte from places like CaseCooler.com.

 

[mwswami]

Total 26 available PCIe lanes

Even the intel website is a bit vague, but it seems like it is a single 16x slot, and the remaining ones can scale up to 8x, meaning they are compatible with 1,2,4 and 8x cards, but not 16. If apple does go dual graphics cards would the main one have to be scaled down (in software) to 8x?

Im personally not surpised that Apple hasnt gone out of their way to support SLI or CrossFire, I think they will wait for a standard and for it to become bit more mainstream before jumping on it.

See Mac Pro PCI Developer Note.

The default PCIe lanes configuration is [16,1,4,4] but is configurable as [8,8,1,8], [8,8,4,4], and [16,1,1,8]. The Configuration Expansion Slot Utility is located on your Mac Pro at: /System/Library/CoreServices.

 

[Laslo Panaflex]

Even the intel website is a bit vague, but it seems like it is a single 16x slot, and the remaining ones can scale up to 8x, meaning they are compatible with 1,2,4 and 8x cards, but not 16. If apple does go dual graphics cards would the main one have to be scaled down (in software) to 8x?

Im personally not surpised that Apple hasnt gone out of their way to support SLI or CrossFire, I think they will wait for a standard and for it to become bit more mainstream before jumping on it.

It is my understanding that current PCI-E graphics cards don't even come close to saturating the 16x bus, therefore it may be a non issue that other bus' are only 8x, from a graphics card standpoint.

Of course I could be dead wrong, but I thought I read it somewhere.

 

[Chundles]

It is my understanding that current PCI-E graphics cards don't even come close to saturating the 16x bus, therefore it may be a non issue that other bus' are only 8x, from a graphics card standpoint.

Of course I could be dead wrong, but I thought I read it somewhere.

From Macworld's First Look and FAQ:

Speaking of PCI Express, are the speeds of each slot the same as with the Power Mac?
In the Power Mac, each PCI Express slot had a set bandwidth, expressed in terms of lanes—the graphics slots was the fastest at 16x, with one 8x slot and two 4x slots as well. With the Mac Pro, Apple says that when you boot the computer after installing a new PCI Express card, the OS will let you choose the amount of bandwidth to dedicate to that slot. Apple told us that the total amount of bandwidth available to the PCI Express bus is less on the Mac Pro than on the Power Mac, but said the ability to direct that bandwidth as needed should make up for such a shortcoming. They also told us that there’s more power (total wattage) available to the PCI Express bus, letting you power two Nvidia Quadro FX 4500 graphics cards.

Full story, and some really useful information -> Right Here.

So it's got the grunt and the power to run 2 Quadro FX4500s. Fine by me...

 

[gerrycurl]

apple retail stores have mac pro's yet?

I know not all apple retail stores will have mac pros yet, but do any of them outside of california?

 

[satzzz]

Should it be possible to plug in an other standard HardDrive (For Example an Maxtor??), or else an other Baracuda Drive? Witch you can buy @ the normal computer shops?

 

[devmage]

Should it be possible to plug in an other standard HardDrive (For Example an Maxtor??), or else an other Baracuda Drive? Witch you can buy @ the normal computer shops?

Yes it uses standard SATA2 drives. So you can go out and buy some nice Maxtor drives with 16MB caches cheaper than Apple gouging you.

 

[Josias]

I know not all apple retail stores will have mac pros yet, but do any of them outside of california?

My local store won't have 'em for 3-4 weeks. This is not a store chain owned by Apple though.

 

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Any SATA Drive Will Do • Even PATA On The Optical Bus

Should it be possible to plug in an other standard HardDrive (For Example an Maxtor??), or else an other Baracuda Drive? Witch you can buy @ the normal computer shops?

Of course as long as it's SATA. Two will fit where the optical drive is if you remove it for a FW case. There are two more SATA cables there as well. So the hard drive flexibility is the best ever for any Mac.

 

[jhero]

I think the reason of the not supported issue is due to a pci-x vs pci-e board?

 

[zooniverse]

not one apple logo on the packaging

 

[Laslo Panaflex]

not one apple logo on the packaging

There is on the side of the box, sorry didn't post a picture of that.

 

[pc.Pwner]

PC Gaming

If you get Boot Camp (not parrallels) to work do you think you could download 3DMark06 and PCMark to get some marks on the system. I know its not the X1900xt, but it would be useful to see some numbers to compare with similar pcs.