milo said:
I am of the opinion that the iMac is the midrange model. And the originator of this question was asking about a 'higher' model.
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I am of the opinion that the iMac is the midrange model. And the originator of this question was asking about a 'higher' model.
apple needs to introduce a computer which is between the mac mini and the mac pro tower.
I want a mini tower, with 2 pci slots. you know something in the price range of $899-999 usd. with the Core 2 Duo Conreo type chip? doesnt have to be a Xeon.
This way i can upgrade the graphics card or order it with a better graphics card. and make more changes over time.
Some of us do not want to be tied to the imac screen/body. I love to be able to upgrade my own computer's graphics card.
Cmon apple. give us a mid tier system we can upgrade ourselves. The Macmini just doesnt cut it. virtually the only thing in that we can chance is the CPU, Memory or hard drive.
I want a mini tower, with 2 pci slots. you know something in the price range of $899-999 usd. with the Core 2 Duo Conreo type chip? doesnt have to be a Xeon.
This way i can upgrade the graphics card or order it with a better graphics card. and make more changes over time.
Some of us do not want to be tied to the imac screen/body. I love to be able to upgrade my own computer's graphics card.
Cmon apple. give us a mid tier system we can upgrade ourselves. The Macmini just doesnt cut it. virtually the only thing in that we can chance is the CPU, Memory or hard drive.
iGary said:Expansion itself has nothing to do with looks.
What plastic chunk?
I Wouldn't say that, unless the somehow can TARDIS the interior you need space for expansion or otherwise I'm sure the Mac Pro would be as big as the Mac Mini
iGary said:
Whilst i don't think it will happen i think your wrong to make the statement you have.
Correct me if you are the CEO or SVP or VP of Apple and know different? No thought not.
eenu said:
Not sure what difference that makes.
iGary is certainly entitled to his opinion, no matter how strongly stated, nor agreeable/disagreeable it might be.
As for..
mdntcallr said:
Again.. iMac?
yellow said:
Just as i am entitled to mine. But unless he is actually any of the people i stated there is no way he can tell people that. It's not even an 'opinion' its just purely factually incorrect.
Had he said 'I don't think that will happen EVER' then that is a different story.
yellow said:
It's not headless and doesn't have enough hardware combos. I for one want a box the price of the imac but dont want the screen and want to be able to add or change my hard disk easier and the gcard.
eenu said:
Yeah, but you know what? iGary's right. It isn't gonna happen.
Basically, you're asking for Macpro, but don't want to pay the cost. There's no problem in that, but seeing as Apple is a business I'd very much doubt that there is any commercial justification for this happening. You could just get a PC, and put OSX on it though!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
The current marketing strategy for Macs has been that way for years - ever since Steve returned - remember the "product matrix" they worked so hard to fill out?
I mean seriously, we're only talkin a few hundred dollars difference between an upper end iMac and a bas Mac Pro...what exactly are you looking to save?
iGary,
I didn't say i disagreed with you all i am saying is you can't say it will NEVER EVER happen as a factual statement because as much as me, you and others think this it's not a correct statement as you have no evidence to support that what you say is guarenteed.
Thats all i was pointing out.
As for the other stuff. I don't require Quad core or alot of the other features of the Mac Pro....it's basically cost i don't benefit from. However take the screen away from the Imac and put it in a shuttle sized case and allow me to have 2 drives in there etc etc then that is more what i am looking for.
Thoughts over the last few weeks and afer the keynote have led me to believe that apple are now starting to appreciate that alot of PC users want more of a choice of their machine configuration as we see in the MP and the XS. Maybe we will see this configuration flexability moved down to the other boxes in the range in a move to gain more windows and pc users.
At my apple interview it was hammered home that apples goal and main market driver is to concentrate on NEW USERS and what they can do to win them over.
I didn't say i disagreed with you all i am saying is you can't say it will NEVER EVER happen as a factual statement because as much as me, you and others think this it's not a correct statement as you have no evidence to support that what you say is guarenteed.
Thats all i was pointing out.
As for the other stuff. I don't require Quad core or alot of the other features of the Mac Pro....it's basically cost i don't benefit from. However take the screen away from the Imac and put it in a shuttle sized case and allow me to have 2 drives in there etc etc then that is more what i am looking for.
Thoughts over the last few weeks and afer the keynote have led me to believe that apple are now starting to appreciate that alot of PC users want more of a choice of their machine configuration as we see in the MP and the XS. Maybe we will see this configuration flexability moved down to the other boxes in the range in a move to gain more windows and pc users.
At my apple interview it was hammered home that apples goal and main market driver is to concentrate on NEW USERS and what they can do to win them over.
If I want a consumer tower, sure I could buy a Dell or HP or some other PC. This is what Mac people usually recommend. Why? If I want a consumer tower, wouldn't it be better for Apple if I'd buy a Mac consumer tower?
Some people also say that there isn't a market for a Mac consumer tower. Okay... how then these consumer towers are most popular in the PC market, more popular than mini PCs and all-in-one PCs? People are used to have them, and Apple is pushing many switchers away because they don't have a Mac consumer tower to replace their old desktop PC.
I'm not talking about low-end Mac Pro, that is still $2000 and that version doesn't include a good graphics card. And 2x Woodcrest is unnecessary for most consumers, Conroe would do just fine.
Some people also say that there isn't a market for a Mac consumer tower. Okay... how then these consumer towers are most popular in the PC market, more popular than mini PCs and all-in-one PCs? People are used to have them, and Apple is pushing many switchers away because they don't have a Mac consumer tower to replace their old desktop PC.
I'm not talking about low-end Mac Pro, that is still $2000 and that version doesn't include a good graphics card. And 2x Woodcrest is unnecessary for most consumers, Conroe would do just fine.
sjpetry said:Can you prove he isn't? No thought not.
Yes because none of them are called Gary and even if his real name isn't gary Apple's employment contract has clear restrictions on the use of sites such as this and what you can and cannot say outside of the organisation. But lets not split hairs...
4 Sticks Will Not Gain You Significant Speed Increase
FYI I recently revised Post #586 on page 24 Significantly to include this link the Intel Processors' Serial Numbers and Specs - scroll to bottom for Core 2 list - as well as the new Fry's Ad for a Conroe 2.13 GHz Core 2 Duo Processor and Motherboard for $420.
None started. But I believe you will not notice a significant difference in speed when you do that. And the second pair don't have to be the same size as the first pair so you can add two 1GB sticks - as soon as they figure it out - for Crucial's $344 instead of two more 512's for Apple's $300.illumin8 said:
FYI I recently revised Post #586 on page 24 Significantly to include this link the Intel Processors' Serial Numbers and Specs - scroll to bottom for Core 2 list - as well as the new Fry's Ad for a Conroe 2.13 GHz Core 2 Duo Processor and Motherboard for $420.
I think the main reason Apple's lineup is the way it is,.....is for simplicity. I've said it before, walk into a Futureshop, Bestbuy, Businessdepot etc and there are soo many computers that do the same thing, it could be 'overwhelming' for a new buyer.
Look at the Apple Store. You walk-in and everything is clearly segmented. You say, I already have a PC but I want to try an Apple Laptop-boom-Macbook. You say I want to buy/try a new Apple computer-boom-iMac. You want something cheap to get your feet wet? The Mini, and if you have deeper pockets you can buy the Macbook Pros. Or, if you really know what you're doing ie 'Power-User' you buy the MacPro.
I do see the feasibility of adding a headless unit between the Mini & MacPro. As many of you said, maybe bring back the Cube. Have a graphics card, another slot and whatever else. I can see it coming, but not until all the case redesigns are done...?
Look at the Apple Store. You walk-in and everything is clearly segmented. You say, I already have a PC but I want to try an Apple Laptop-boom-Macbook. You say I want to buy/try a new Apple computer-boom-iMac. You want something cheap to get your feet wet? The Mini, and if you have deeper pockets you can buy the Macbook Pros. Or, if you really know what you're doing ie 'Power-User' you buy the MacPro.
I do see the feasibility of adding a headless unit between the Mini & MacPro. As many of you said, maybe bring back the Cube. Have a graphics card, another slot and whatever else. I can see it coming, but not until all the case redesigns are done...?
There IS a conspicuous gap between the top end mini and the low-end configuration of the Pro. I can see Apple ignoring it as they always have, but I can see them adding one in there. It could go either way.
It would be named Mac _____ . If it's a cube-rebirth, I would guess Mac Cube. I can see a Conroe Mac Cube in $1299/$1499 configurations. No way under $1000.
If I were a betting man, however, I'd say Apple leaves the gap in the matrix.
It would be named Mac _____ . If it's a cube-rebirth, I would guess Mac Cube. I can see a Conroe Mac Cube in $1299/$1499 configurations. No way under $1000.
If I were a betting man, however, I'd say Apple leaves the gap in the matrix.
JoeKarame said:
Well i'd say what he wants is something in the middle. Maybe with a smaller case, like a shuttle. The Mac Pro case is way too big for me. a nice consumer model in the middle would be nice. It wouldn't be pro because it might only support 2GB ram, laptop style graphics cards (or small PCI-E) and only one hard drive and dvd drive. It would be just as pro as the iMac is, just you get more for your money because you don't get a screen. Plus the laptop style graphics cards are no where as fast as what you could get for the Mac Pro plus they are a lot more expensive.
In other words, the Mac Pro would work out cheaper for pro users than this (cost of internal vs external drives, cost of standard PCI-E vs laptop style cards) however for a standard user it would be all they want.
Unfortunately without that mid range option my only option is to get an iMac 17" and run my 20" dell off it. However apple being lovely as they are won't give me the option to upgrade the internals to as fast as the 20". Which i want to do.
Oh and the iMac doesn't fall as a mid range option between the Mini and the Pro. Mainly because it's an all in one computer. It's like saying the MBP comes as a mid range between the mini and the Mac pro...
i agree with TBi except for the graphics card statement. I want full size since i can get that in a shuttle
carletonmusic said:
Problem is, there's no model for the mini to be a gateway TO. You get in with a mini and you're stuck there. iMac just just doesn't appeal to many people, myself included. Apple is shooting themself in the foot if they don't have a headless alternative.
yellow said:
It is a midrange model. But they offer no midrange model for people who want a headless computer.
iGary said:Expansion itself has nothing to do with looks.
What plastic chunk?
Maybe I'm thinking of the G4. Sorry, I'm not a fashionista. I'll take functionality over looks any day, and lousy expandability is a big turnoff.
iGary said:
That's what they said about the mini. And the video ipod. And hell, about the ipod itself. I don't know if it would match the specifics of that post, but I don't think the general idea is out of the question.
JoeKarame said:
No, you miss the point. The Pro is overkill for many people. Don't need four cores. Don't need the expensive ram and mobo that come with that expensive CPU. And don't need nearly as much expansion.
We're asking for a machine that Apple could build for half the cost of building a Pro. And we're willing to pay apple's standard profit markup on it. What's so farfetched about taking an iMac and swapping the screen for one open PCI slot and a couple more memory slots? They should be able to sell that for LESS than an iMac.
iGary said:
An iMac simply doesn't appeal, upper end or otherwise. I'd probably be willing to pay $1499 for a conroe box with an open PCI slot, and even that is probably overpriced, even by apple standards.
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Zomg! Macrumors Drama! Its starting to sound like a reality TV show in here.... thats not good guys.
Anyway, MacPro = Awesome... yeah its overkill for some, but its a good deal for what it is. And on the Clovertown buisness and the such... since when did everyone in here forget that technology advances faster than you can buy it... so your always behind, heck, even when apple releases it, your behind, thats nothing new, so why are we eating eachother over it? Anyway, just hope were all still grand apple buddies .♥ me.