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Mac Pro Arrived! Pics Included
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Surely the Mac Pro has 4 pin connectors tucked away inside somewhere? if so if you do find one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812189120
100% Certain You're Mistaken Clovertown ARE Dual Capable Total 8 Cores January
You're mistaken. See future post.nsknike said:
epitaphic said:
hadleydb said:
Yes, they make inline adapters. I've seen them listed for as low as 10 bucks online.
Ben
vohdoun said:
I AM SPARTICUS! I AM SPARTICUS!!!!!
Ok... it's working. Flawlessly
Well, sort of.
Here's the scoop.
I have the Stock 7300 GT card in the top PCIe slot, connected to monitor number 1.
I have the PC nVidia 7900GTX card in the bottom 16x PCIe slot, connected to monitor number 2.
I have my old PC sitting open, next to the MAC PRO that is open, and I'm running the power cables from my old PC to the 7900GTX in the Mac... 3 in all (one for the new fan, 2 for the power).
Now... when I boot WINDOWS XP, it works automatically off the 7900GTX on Monitor #2. Works Great.
When I boot into OS X, it works automatically off the 7300GT on Monitor #1.
Both 19" LCD off DVI.
Funny thing.
When in Windows, XP does NOT see the 7300GT.
When in OS X, the Mac does NOT see the 7900GTX.
What a wild, weird, convoluted thing THIS is:
Clovertowns ARE Multi-CPU Capable I Thought They Were Tigerton Is For More Than 8
I guess in that case I'll be waiting for Tigerton. in the Spring. Sorry for the stridency. I know they will cost a lot more. I expect to pay $4k to $5k not $2500.kevin.rivers said:
Guess you are mistaken and the Dual Clovertowns are back on for January like I thought.epitaphic said:
CyberDoberman said:I AM SPARTICUS! I AM SPARTICUS!!!!!
Ok... it's working. Flawlessly
Well, sort of.
Here's the scoop.
I have the Stock 7300 GT card in the top PCIe slot, connected to monitor number 1.
I have the PC nVidia 7900GTX card in the bottom 16x PCIe slot, connected to monitor number 2.
I have my old PC sitting open, next to the MAC PRO that is open, and I'm running the power cables from my old PC to the 7900GTX in the Mac... 3 in all (one for the new fan, 2 for the power).
Now... when I boot WINDOWS XP, it works automatically off the 7900GTX on Monitor #2. Works Great.
When I boot into OS X, it works automatically off the 7300GT on Monitor #1.
Both 19" LCD off DVI.
Funny thing.
When in Windows, XP does NOT see the 7300GT.
When in OS X, the Mac does NOT see the 7900GTX.
What a wild, weird, convoluted thing THIS is:
Awesome!!
Chrispy said:
Hehe ... sorta like being on life support... (as another reader pointed out)... wonder if my Mac hates me
Multimedia said:
So does that mean that you're no longer 100% sure?
Does that make you now 100% sure that you're not 100% sure?
Or are you 100% sure that this will not be happening?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
I just pulled the trigger and ordered my new system. Does anyone here know if I'll be able to see any speed improvements between my current system and this one?
Current Computer New Computer
dual 1GHz G4 3.00GHz Quad Xeon
1GB of RAM 2GB 667 DDR2 FB DIMM
120GB ATA Hard disk 500GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Disk
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 64MB of memory ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB
133MHz Bus Speed 1.33GHz, 64-bit dual independent bus
L2 Cache 256KB 4MB Shared L2 cache per processor
L3 Cache 2MB
I think my G4 Quicksilver must be faster, because it only took 3 days to be get here and the new system is going to take 5 weeks.
My brother was originally worried that my Adobe Apps would run really slow for me, then I reminded him what my home system currently is. Regardless of running in Rossetta, everything should scream!
The good news is that I'm picking up a new 30" display on Sunday during MA's tax free day.
Complain about Rosetta = Get Discount
Just a heads up for anyone with open 3.0 quad orders. I was on the fence about upgrading, I have a dual 2.5. Photoshop is going to be hard to open possibly for a few months.
At any rate I ordered the 3.0 Quad, and was on the fence so I called to cancel, they offered me $125 off, and it was already edu pricing. So you can get a quad 3.0 for $2827, at least thats what mine came to, and they are throwing in a free 2gb nano with any EDU order. WOOHOO!
Now hurry up Adobe and get busy! And as far as the post-a-holic with the quad g5, there are alot of native video apps that will leave the quad g5 in the dust now aren't there?
Just a heads up for anyone with open 3.0 quad orders. I was on the fence about upgrading, I have a dual 2.5. Photoshop is going to be hard to open possibly for a few months.
At any rate I ordered the 3.0 Quad, and was on the fence so I called to cancel, they offered me $125 off, and it was already edu pricing. So you can get a quad 3.0 for $2827, at least thats what mine came to, and they are throwing in a free 2gb nano with any EDU order. WOOHOO!
Now hurry up Adobe and get busy! And as far as the post-a-holic with the quad g5, there are alot of native video apps that will leave the quad g5 in the dust now aren't there?
Liske said:
Oh come on, that sort of "tuanting" is going way out on a limb. You have no real idea how rosetta will affect true "Production Battle" multitasking. People like me and the talented individual you refer to as "post-a-holic" make our livelihoods off of our machines: we pay all our bills that way. It is unfair to tag us for our desire to wait for truly superior speed AND stability that is proven through time-honored testing.
The Quad G5 is a fantastic box and will hang in for the next year to two years. Combine cheap RAM with proven performance and you still have a very solid system -- this is worth pointing out to anyone who is "on the fence."
Shared information is power and knowledge, nothing more -- not ego.
DJO
Multimedia said:Intel has already announced they will ship Kentsfield and Clovertown 4 core processors in the 4th quarter of 2006. You are simply not up to speed on the Intel Core Microarchitecture Roadmap. No way will more than one computer make it easier. How you could not have already graduated to the Quad when you stared on the Rev A sGHz G5 is hard for me to understand. I owned 4 different G5's during the last two and a half years. And if I had held on to my Dual 2.5 Ghz G5 any longer than February, I would have been backed into a DEAD END Corner. It started completely coming to a halt in January once I started seriously crushing video.
Quad saved my life. Need OctoCore ASAP.
Amen, I agree totally -- My Quad G5 saved me from a Dual 1.8 and Dual 2.3. My Quad has paid for itself twice over in productivity during the past year and for the Production Battle Multitasking I do every day, it is still faster overall (not in terms of pure processor) than a quad 2.6 Mac Pro.
Clovertowns are multi-socket capable
"By the end of this year, Intel will begin shipping Clovertown, which should be a drop-in quad-core replacement to the current dual-core Woodcrest based Xeon CPUs. It should allow Apple to replace its dual 3GHz Xeon 5160 option with a pair of quad-core Clovertown based Xeon CPUs. We're not yet sure what the clock speeds or price points will be, but it may be worth waiting for if you can. If you can't wait, there is always the possibility that you may be able to simply upgrade the CPUs in the Mac Pro later on, in which case you may want to go with the lowest end option now and simply drop in Clovertown later. Over the coming days we will hopefully be able to figure out what will and won't be possible with the new Mac Pro design, but we're hoping that the move to Intel means good things for the cost of upgradability on these systems."
According to AnandTech:Multimedia said:
"By the end of this year, Intel will begin shipping Clovertown, which should be a drop-in quad-core replacement to the current dual-core Woodcrest based Xeon CPUs. It should allow Apple to replace its dual 3GHz Xeon 5160 option with a pair of quad-core Clovertown based Xeon CPUs. We're not yet sure what the clock speeds or price points will be, but it may be worth waiting for if you can. If you can't wait, there is always the possibility that you may be able to simply upgrade the CPUs in the Mac Pro later on, in which case you may want to go with the lowest end option now and simply drop in Clovertown later. Over the coming days we will hopefully be able to figure out what will and won't be possible with the new Mac Pro design, but we're hoping that the move to Intel means good things for the cost of upgradability on these systems."
Ban Me Too.
Amen,Well Said.
Then Ban Me too, I guess. If that is the case, then I go down in flames: I work too damn hard all day long 6 days a week on my 2 Quad G5s, my dual 1.8, dual 2.3 and numerous other G4's to not voice a well-reasoned opinion regarding these new Quads in terms of their Pros and Cons -- and they do have BOTH.
I make my living -- 100% -- off of these boxes and my willingness to stake my contractor reputation on them. I don't get a steady paycheck. I get what I earn throught the production I deliver. I approach new boxes with a great deal of caution, and for good reason.
DJO
Multimedia said:Am I being rude? I don't mean to be rude.
What's a guy got to do to express a strong opinion here without getting banned?
Can't we have a warning system. I need a warning system.
You guys can all rag on me in January if it doesn't happen. But please recognize me when it does. Ban me for being 100% certain what's going to happen in January? I don't get it.
Is Sdashiki rude to agree with me?Should he be banned too?
Amen,Well Said.
Then Ban Me too, I guess. If that is the case, then I go down in flames: I work too damn hard all day long 6 days a week on my 2 Quad G5s, my dual 1.8, dual 2.3 and numerous other G4's to not voice a well-reasoned opinion regarding these new Quads in terms of their Pros and Cons -- and they do have BOTH.
I make my living -- 100% -- off of these boxes and my willingness to stake my contractor reputation on them. I don't get a steady paycheck. I get what I earn throught the production I deliver. I approach new boxes with a great deal of caution, and for good reason.
DJO
dante@sisna.com said:
I wasn't taunting, just a simple question, geze loueeze. The quad is a nice box, but the drive situation is crap, you spend alot more for external solutions that are built in to the Mac Pro. And soon they will be worth crap because no one will want obsolete technology that won't be supported.
Liske said:
Simply not true!
I have a slick internal drive setup that allows me to add 3 extra drives for a total of FIVE internally with no appreciable heat increase due to the LIQUID cooling and great fan setup.
I do burn power, yes.
As far as OBSOLETE technology, well, you are just wrong. Both Apple and Adobe have pledged to support this system for the next 2 years -- they have to -- the road to intel will be long and slow. The Quad G5 gets faster with Leopard, not slower, due to increase in the base system and the way it threads.
All technology grows obsolete. In fact the case can be made that the current Quad Mac Pro is already obsolete for not including SLI Graphics for example -- sure to be included in the next year or so.
All I am saying is that making claims like you are does a lot of people who come to these posts a real injustice. For most people who want to buy a good computer to make a living on for the next 2 or 3 years -- and this is the group the pro line is targeted towards -- there are a lot of good factors to consider: 1) Native apps they might own now, 2) Cheap RAM, 3) Stable workflow in MULTITASKING PERFORMANCE, 4) No Bugs, 5) Two to Three Year future support, 6) Availability of cheap Quad G5's on ebay, and at resellers with refurbs.
Spouting words like "obsolete" might make some feel strong or superior, but they simply ignore important real word considerations in terms of production workflow over the next year or two.
DJO
Try a PCI express power splitter off one of the standard molex power plugs.
This is awesome news.
I have a feeling within a week someone will have the fix to make it so you can just run everything off the 1 card.
Yayyy
Best of both worlds is now a reality!!
This is awesome news.
I have a feeling within a week someone will have the fix to make it so you can just run everything off the 1 card.
Yayyy
Best of both worlds is now a reality!!
"IT'S ALIVE" would have been a better phrase.CyberDoberman said:I AM SPARTICUS! I AM SPARTICUS!!!!!
Ok... it's working. Flawlessly
Can you explain me how you got in windows? I read that bootcamp and parallels didn't work. Sorry if you already explained it earlier. And can you run game benchmarks in windows? edit: ok you are using bootcamp. I found this thread.When in Windows, XP does NOT see the 7300GT.
When in OS X, the Mac does NOT see the 7900GTX.
What a wild, weird, convoluted thing THIS is:
Hi, all, a little greeting from France
Concerning the stock PC GfxCards with the MacPro, the last (but not the least) test to make is to get a classic "PC" X1900 XT and try to replace the 7300GT ...
If it runs under OS X, it's clearly then ONLY a driver problem under Mac OS ... and that's GREAT
Concerning the stock PC GfxCards with the MacPro, the last (but not the least) test to make is to get a classic "PC" X1900 XT and try to replace the 7300GT ...
If it runs under OS X, it's clearly then ONLY a driver problem under Mac OS ... and that's GREAT
MP == 3+ processors
Just adding to that, the wikipedia listing is a bit confusing. The "MP" in "Tigerton, quad-core MCM. MP-capable version of Clovertown." means multi processor. Intel makes a distinction between dual processor (DP) and multi processor (MP). So Tigerton will actually support 3+ processors.
So yes, 8 core macs are possible for late dec/early jan. And probably six months later 12+ cores, and six months later many more and six months after that many many more... just buy what you need now.
ksz said:
Just adding to that, the wikipedia listing is a bit confusing. The "MP" in "Tigerton, quad-core MCM. MP-capable version of Clovertown." means multi processor. Intel makes a distinction between dual processor (DP) and multi processor (MP). So Tigerton will actually support 3+ processors.
So yes, 8 core macs are possible for late dec/early jan. And probably six months later 12+ cores, and six months later many more and six months after that many many more... just buy what you need now.
