Mac Pro. How can we FORCE Apple to commit

[-hh]

That report means nothing. Just because a chip arrived doesn't mean that they can just be slapped in and sold. If that were the case we'd be seeing workstations shipping with them already, but we aren't.

Thats why the distribution channel quantities are preceded by Engineering samples.

To illustrate, Engineering Samples of the Xeon E5-2690 were reported on back in December. While this particular CPU isn't a likely Apple candidate, it wasn't officially released into distribution until March.


-hh

 

[Tutor]

The CPUs haven't been released. How many times do people need to post this... .

I'm sure others have stated this but you do realize that Apple can't do anything until Intel releases new chips?

No one is going to pay for new Mac Pro's without new processors.

Not sure what your definition of "released" is, but Newegg has had all of the E5s that might be used for the Mac Pro for sale since March 6th [see post #10 at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1333421/ ]. Moreover, I know individuals who bought them that day and received them by March 9th. See, e.g., [ http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/580661 Geekbench tested on March14th] . In fact, individuals who I know, such as tlMob, have already created hackintoshes with them and ironed out all the issues, except for onboard ethernet, but a Sonnettech or similar cross-platform ethernet card takes care of that. Are you stating that computer manufacturers have less clout with Intel than NewEgg? I don't see how CPUs aren't released yet if they've been selling retail for over a month by NewEgg. Check the over clocking forums if you need additional confirmation that is factual. Could it be that the computer manufacturers have a different motive? How about an excess of old stuff to dump? How about the CFO saying,"Better cut costs." However, that there are no new released Sandy Bridge E5's won't fly as an excuse.

 

[linuxcooldude]

However, that there are no new released Sandy Bridge E5's won't fly as an excuse.

Maybe give them some time to install, test & box up all the Mac Pro's prior to the release date? I guess they could just throw in the Xenon chip in the box and let you install it yourself.

 

[Tutor]

Thats why the distribution channel quantities are preceded by Engineering samples.

To illustrate, Engineering Samples of the Xeon E5-2690 were reported on back in December. While this particular CPU isn't a likely Apple candidate, it wasn't officially released into distribution until March.


-hh

Actually, engineering samples were made available much earlier. They were being offered for sale online as early as July 11th of last year [ http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Xeon-E5-Sandy-Bridge-EP-CPU-Spotted-Online-210723.shtml ]. Intel began shipping E5s to certain datacenter customers last year. Last September hyperscale cloud and supercomputer customers were getting Xeon E5s on an NDA basis and in volumes sufficient to make them contribute to Intel's financials [ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/20/intel_q4_2011_server_drilldown/ ].

 

[jackc]

If enough people cared to protest, you wouldn't need to protest

 

[Sean Dempsey]

I am protesting the misuse of commas. Seriously ,who can't get commas right?

 

[derbothaus]

I am protesting the misuse of commas. Seriously ,who can't get commas right?

The one you just dropped was pretty easy. Let's see some inventive use

 

[Tutor]

Maybe give them some time to install, test & box up all the Mac Pro's prior to the release date?

"Posted in Servers, 20th January 2012 17:08 GMT
Intel's president and CEO Paul Otellini said in a conference call with Wall Street analysts after the market closed yesterday that the "Sandy Bridge-EP" Xeon E5 processors and their related "Romley" server platforms, are now in volume shipment and due to be launched during the first quarter, as was widely speculated." [ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/20/intel_q4_2011_server_drilldown/ ]

I guess they could just throw in the Xenon chip in the box and let you install it yourself.

They did this in early March.

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The one you just dropped was pretty easy. Let's see some inventive use

W,h,a,t, a"r"e, y'o'u, r'e,q"e,s`t'i"n`g?

 

[chrono1081]

Not sure what your definition of "released" is, but Newegg has had all of the E5s that might be used for the Mac Pro for sale since March 6th [see post #10 at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1333421/ ]. Moreover, I know individuals who bought them that day and received them by March 9th. See, e.g., [ http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/580661 Geekbench tested on March14th] . In fact, individuals who I know, such as tlMob, have already created hackintoshes with them and ironed out all the issues, except for onboard ethernet, but a Sonnettech or similar cross-platform ethernet card takes care of that. Are you stating that computer manufacturers have less clout with Intel than NewEgg? I don't see how CPUs aren't released yet if they've been selling retail for over a month by NewEgg. Check the over clocking forums if you need additional confirmation that is factual. Could it be that the computer manufacturers have a different motive? How about an excess of old stuff to dump? How about the CFO saying,"Better cut costs." However, that there are no new released Sandy Bridge E5's won't fly as an excuse.

If they're so readily and easily available then why hasn't any major PC manufacturer shipped E5's?

My understanding was that they weren't available in mass quantity.

 

[Jst0rm]

I believe, as we get closer to the release of the new macpro, time will in fact slow down until it becomes so slow we never get to see the release of the new macpro.

 

[Tutor]

If they're so readily and easily available then why hasn't any major PC manufacturer shipped E5's?

How about "The economy hasn't recovered sufficiently for us to try to sale higher priced 2P systems?" How about an excess of old stuff to dump first? How about the CFO saying,"Better cut costs." You can substitute any or all of these conjectures with any other reason that's plausible. But I know that it's not because Apple had to wait until you or I could order the chips from NewEgg that Apple got it's first opportunity to began to put the chips into silver boxes.

My understanding was that they weren't available in mass quantity.

Not sure what your definition of "mass quantities" is; however, the excuse that "... Apple can't do anything until Intel releases new chips" won't fly. Apple could have certainly done something last March 6th when the chips went on sale for you or I to buy, or even earlier when computer manufacturers could have purchased them, or even last year when Intel began selling the chips to datacenters, like that new one some fruit company built recently in North Carolina.

 

[deconstruct60]

Not sure what your definition of "released" is, but Newegg has had all of the E5s that might be used for the Mac Pro for sale since March 6th [see post #10 at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1333421/ ].

Actually, not true. One of the links listed there gives all of the socket 2011 processors that newegg is selling.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na&AID=10521304&PID=4169666&SID=8olvorrgwyh0

There is no E5-1620 or E5-1650 listed there. There are some smaller sites that appear to sell them ( Google shopping turns up some hits). [ Not particularly surprising since Intel releasted the Core i7 2011 models in November '11 , but actually didn't ship the lower end model of that threesome until late Janurary '12 ... two months later. ]

Throw on top the other major system vendors are still not shipping and it is not really clear what the hold up is here, but there is likely a glitch somewhere. At the very least the vendors are likely doing a slow inventory build up before launch.


Nevermind the hold up on the newest GPU coming out and being available in volume quantities.

Likewise, the fact that some folks whipped up some experiments with some 2011 board and the fastest E5's they could get their hands on to which some benchmark result posting bragging rights really doesn't say much for volume quantity production .... Or anything about a config that will likely ship as a Mac Pro ( speed constraints over noise, power, design , etc . )

 

[Jst0rm]

Actually, not true. One of the links listed there gives all of the socket 2011 processors that newegg is selling.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na&AID=10521304&PID=4169666&SID=8olvorrgwyh0

There is no E5-1620 or E5-1650 listed there. There are some smaller sites that appear to sell them ( Google shopping turns up some hits).

Throw on top the other major system vendors are still not shipping and it is not really clear what the hold up is here, but there is likely a glitch somewhere. At the very least the vendors are likely doing a slow inventory build up before launch.


Nevermind the hold up on the newest GPU coming out and being available in volume quantities.

Likewise, the fact that some folks whipped up some experiments with some 2011 board and the fastest E5's they could get their hands on to which some benchmark result posting bragging rights really doesn't say much for volume quantity production .... Or anything about a config that will likely ship as a Mac Pro ( speed constraints over noise, power, design , etc . )

I'll bet a base macpro those smaller sites dont actually have one and are only looking to get the order before they can ship one.

 

[chrono1081]

How about "The economy hasn't recovered sufficiently for us to try to sale higher priced 2P systems?" How about an excess of old stuff to dump first? How about the CFO saying,"Better cut costs." You can substitute any or all of these conjectures with any other reason that's plausible. But I know that it's not because Apple had to wait until you or I could order the chips from NewEgg that Apple got it's first opportunity to began to put the chips into silver boxes.

The economy has zero to do with new chips. Its not an average consumer that buys a workstation, its big companies who have plenty of money.


Not sure what your definition of "mass quantities" is; however, the excuse that "... Apple can't do anything until Intel releases new chips" won't fly. Apple could have certainly done something last March 6th when the chips went on sale for you or I to buy, or even earlier when computer manufacturers could have purchased them, or even last year when Intel began selling the chips to datacenters, like that new one some fruit company built recently in North Carolina.

Its a perfectly valid excuse. Its not just Apple. Dell and HP, to other HUGE workstation manufacturers (bigger than Apple in the workstation category) aren't shipping either. So...whats your explanation on that?

Not to mention the number of chips that Newegg gets for hobbyists and OEM's get for production lines of computers are vastly disproportionate.

 

[Tutor]

It's the iWorld that prevails.

Actually, not true. One of the links listed there gives all of the socket 2011 processors that newegg is selling.

Most often when NeggEgg sells out on a cpu it isn't listed. CPU World confirms that those 1P chips that you reference, along with many more, were also released last month http://www.cpu-world.com/Releases/Server_CPU_releases_(2012).html#March]. I've added a pic from intellixpert's website, which by the way indicates that they currently have in stock both of the chips you referenced [ http://www.intellixpert.com/product/cpu/E5-1650 ] [ http://www.intellixpert.com/product/cpu/E5-1620 ], but they are selling only the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM or tray) chips. Therefore, you won't get it in that beautiful Intel box.

Throw on top the other major system vendors are still not shipping and it is not really clear what the hold up is here, but there is likely a glitch somewhere. At the very least the vendors are likely doing a slow inventory build up before launch.

I don't think the glitch is system related, but is more likely economic. Thus, the build up may be slow, but is likely do more to slow demand rather than a lack of chip supply.

Nevermind the hold up on the newest GPU coming out and being available in volume quantities.

Sounds plausible that it could have somewhat of an effect on a company that prides itself in giving it customers the best video card on the market; thus, this probably has nothing to do with Apple's delay.

Likewise, the fact that some folks whipped up some experiments with some 2011 board and the fastest E5's they could get their hands on to which some benchmark result posting bragging rights really doesn't say much for volume quantity production ....

Well it does to me say something about demand and availability because I would consider it irresponsible if my company used its production to support one-off sales by a retailer like NewEgg when my company truly needed more production for computer manufactures who make volume corporate sales. In sum, I don't buy the argument that Intel would support prompt NewEgg sales if it's computer manufacturing customers were demanding more volume. I believe that NewEggs ability to keep these CPU's one hands indicates there is no pressure for greater volume from Intel's computer manufacturing customers.

 

[Tutor]

We're a niche forum for niche systems.

Its a perfectly valid excuse. Its not just Apple. Dell and HP, to other HUGE workstation manufacturers (bigger than Apple in the workstation category) aren't shipping either. So...whats your explanation on that?

What we demand isn't demanded by the mass market.

I suspect that we're seeing the economy at play and the need to sell old stuff first. Don't forget that Intel has already sold a significant number of these chips to data centers last year. 99% of the consuming market doesn't need or even care about the existence of the chips we're talking about. We're talking about chips that are to Intel the equivalent of the Mac Pro to Apple. Volume at Intel means i7, i5 and i3 and volume at Apple means iPhone, iPad, Macbook and iMac. Volume/supply follows demand and not the reverse.

Not to mention the number of chips that Newegg gets for hobbyists and OEM's get for production lines of computers are vastly disproportionate.

Haven't even tried to nail down that number because I believe that Intel like Apple is concentrating on what brings in the most cash quickly and if demand is not there why spend the money to fill the warehouse with things that aren't selling in large volume.

 

[chrono1081]

What we demand isn't demanded by the mass market.

I suspect that we're seeing the economy at play and the need to sale old stuff first. Don't forget that Intel has already sold a significant number of these chips to data centers last year. 99% of the consuming market doesn't need or even care about the existence of the chips we're talking about. We're talking about chips that are to Intel the equivalent of the Mac Pro to Apple. Volume at Intel means i7, i5 and i3 and volume at Apple means iPhone, iPad, Macbook and iMac. Volume/supply follows demand and not the reverse.



Haven't even tried to nail down that number because I believe that Intel like Apple is concentrating on what brings in the most cash quickly and if demand is not there why spend the money to fill the warehouse with things that aren't selling in large volume.

I'm sorry I just don't buy this. If this were the case it would be Apple specific. Its not. HP and Dell do not have these workstation chips yet either. All three companies competing with each other aren't going to hold back for "economy reasons", they'll do whats always been done and have a cheaper version running the older processors.

 

[Tutor]

I believe, as we get closer to the release of the new macpro, time will in fact slow down until it becomes so slow we never get to see the release of the new macpro.

With Apple, our love affair is but one-sided. Far from our love our beloved forever hideth. So one-sided is this love affair to take up arms against each other do we dare. We test each other's love to prove we're true blue. But of our love our beloved never knew. When doctors said to our beloved, "You're dying," we told our beloved the contrary,"No, you're flying." We've pledged our loyalty to a cold hearted one - to divine our beloved's motivations we take it on as our station. Now that our beloved is well and rich, that one-sided love just makes me itch.

 

[Tutor]

I'm sorry I just don't buy this. If this were the case it would be Apple specific. Its not. HP and Dell do not have these workstation chips yet either. All three companies competing with each other aren't going to hold back for "economy reasons", they'll do whats always been done and have a cheaper version running the older processors.

I apologize and bow to your sage observations. You're right now. You've never been wrong. You will forever be right.

 

[tamvly]

Plan A: Buy a new 2012 MP when it arrives.
Plan B: If there is no new 2012 MP, stay with the MP 3,1 until the E5 issues are worked out, then migrate to Hackintosh.

Complaining has no effect except to make one unhappy.

 

[Medic278]

The easiest way to organize and stars petition would be to create one on change.org and get people to sign it. I think if enough people sign on you'll get a response from Apple for sure, and who knows they may decide its worth it to upgrade. While I don't personally own a pro I did consider getting one and may want to next time around, I would hate not to have that option anymore.

 

[theartiste]

Here my problem...

Not knowing future plan of Apple hurt my enterprise.
I know that Apple don't speak of device in the pipeline but after spending tens of thousands of $$$ on Apple products , i think we are intitled to know if it's time to move plateform and go/return toward windows that i hate.

I really suspect Tim Cook more nature bicycle/hiker/business accountant kinda guy and wanting to just focus on APPL performance. Not being a power user himself ,he sure use it's iPad and smile of galactic joy .

The Gauss Curve show that it's normal not selling as much powerful destop as low end iMac but some poeple need the fastest bad@ss Mac ever to create stuff.

My big question is How can we mobilize ourselves collectively and Let Apple/Tim Cook knows that they should state their intentions for us waiting and loosing money.
622 days !!!

Imagine that all tech site grab the request and let the news float on top for a while...then maybe shyTim can let a "working on it" to keep us waiting a little longer.
Am i high?
Apple can unleash the best emotion in me but also the WORSE!

So you speak from the heart and get 7 negatives?

I tend to agree with you.

 

[Medic278]

lol every once in a while I have a great idea.

 

[Wild-Bill]

I am protesting the misuse of commas. Seriously ,who can't get commas right?

YOU can't.

The CPUs haven't been released. How many times do people need to post this.

How pleased would people have been with a retread refresh?

Wait.... You mean I can't buy these on Newegg right now??? -> Xeon E5-2650

 

[Sean Dempsey]

/sigh