Mac Pro Rising

[JimmyPainter]

HP likes them...

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http://www8.hp.com/emea_africa/en/products/oas/product-detail.html?oid=6746050#!tab=features

HP may like them but one of my Little Brother is a Windows guy and he found out real quick that his over clocked I5 @ 4.7 ghz runs cooler and quieter for the same amount of money with a well engineered air cooler. Water cooled is absolutely the coolest LOOKING if you have Glass doors on the side of you custom PC with Neon color liquid, clear tubes, and flashy lighting. Somehow even with the nice cat emoticon I have trouble picturing those monster beast you tell us about having all that .... LMBO.

 

[koyoot]

Cloud is not defined by "outsourced" computing platform from Apple, or whoever else.

Cloud can be created by merging multiple computers in your company/house into single cloud computing platform. And that is how you have to perceive idea of cloud in Internet of Things era.

 

[JimmyPainter]

I'm talking about an Apple managed and host web based development platform. No third party or malware involved.

Tux has a point here. Look at what Adobe did with the cloud based Path they and many others are forcing us down. IF ... they could provide this type of platform it is NOT inconceivable to think APPLE may get out of the MAC/PC arena all together. Take a look at this (See Below). My wife moved off of her iPad when I bought her that "Mini-iPad" iPhone 6 Gigantica. Woops ... I mean 6 PLUS. Lots of folks like me would be so disappointed with this decision. The eco-system you would think would keep the Mac line alive. Let's face it though ... How many iPhone owners from the statistics show also own a Mac. APPLE will do what APPLE's shareholders want to do. Those folks rule the world, not just APPLE.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/382260/segments-share-revenue-of-apple/
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Cloud is not defined by "outsourced" computing platform from Apple, or whoever else.

Cloud can be created by merging multiple computers in your company/house into single cloud computing platform. And that is how you have to perceive idea of cloud in Internet of Things era.

Cloud can be a lot of things. Sadly it IS absolutely often defined as "Outsourced". Companies love this idea now no matter how many times they are left standing stupefied because their former IT Staff is now long gone working for these "Clowns". I mean "Clouds".

 

[lowendlinux]

HP may like them but one of my Little Brothers is a Windows guy and he found out real quick that his over clocked I5 @ 4.7 ghz runs cooler and quieter for the same amount of money with a well engineered air cooler. Water cooled is absolutely the coolest LOOKING if you have Glass doors on the side of you custom PC with Neon color liquid, clear tubes, and flashy lighting. Somehow even with the nice cat emoticon I have trouble picturing those monster beast you tell us about having all that .... LMBO.

Expensive air will be close temp wise and quieter than a CLC, but expensive air will not beat an actual loop on either front

 

[JimmyPainter]

Tiger was a long, long time ago.

http://lowendmac.com/1997/red-box-blue-box-yellow-box/

My point isn't that all of those APIs completely died, but that the original concepts were never realized, and whatever eventually shipped was very different from the start - until a few years later it was replaced by something else.

And if you're building products against an API - "very different" is poison.

The Best point Aiden makes here is .... "That was a long time ago". and ... I will add ... a very Different APPLE. Steve's Apple for whatever you may say about him. I just know I was back on the outside looking in having ran back to windows world when the G5 Powermac was announced wishing so bad I owned one. I am holding out hope the NEW Apple will get distracted and go somewhere else to do something else. Maybe then another Steve will arise from the ashes before it's too late.
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Expensive air will be close temp wise and quieter than a CLC, but expensive air will not beat an actual loop on either front

I would not have believed it either had I not seen it for myself. I was the one who sent him down the water cooled path so it would look cool. He wound up being more concerned with it running cool for a much longer time than all those PUMP motors could provide. Maybe if he had only spent a lot more on what ever your calling an "Actual Loop". He had a full Loop system. How much are all you guys willing to add to the cost of what's already out of most of our reach. Yeeeeaaaaa .... more expensive Macs ...... ROLF.

One Last Point ... the so called "Expensive" air solution cast the same as the loop. Not more. Give me simple long lasting air any day.

 

[lowendlinux]

The Best point Aiden makes here is .... "That was a long time ago". and ... I will add ... a very Different APPLE. Steve's Apple for whatever you may say about him. I just know I was back on the outside looking in having ran back to windows world when the G5 Powermac was announced wishing so bad I owned one. I am holding out hope the NEW Apple will get distracted and go somewhere else to do something else. Maybe then another Steve will arise from the ashes before it's too late.
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I would not have believed it either had I not seen it for myself. I was the one who sent him down the water cooled path so it would look cool. He wound up being more concerned with it running cool for a much longer time than all those PUMP motors could provide. Maybe if he had only spent a lot more on what ever your calling an "Actual Loop". He had a full Loop system. How much are all you guys willing to add to the cost of what's already out of most of our reach. Yeeeeaaaaa .... more expensive Macs ...... ROLF.

One Last Point ... the so called "Expensive" air solution cast the same as the loop. Not more. Give me simple long lasting air any day.

Erm no..I have one of the most expensive if not the most expensive air cooler available and it cost roughly half a GPU water block..

 

[iBug2]

Then we need hear nothing more about how these people should accept the nMP.

Indeed, and I never said something akin to everyone having to accept the nMP.

Because the CPUs would be available.

And? They were available in 2009, in 2012, yet Apple didn't offer them.

I didn't want to go down the theoretical path given Apple would probably only go four DIMMs per CPU.

Then don't go down the theoretical path of Apple offering 2x12 Core BTO.

 

[JimmyPainter]

More like six times the memory.

The MP6,1 has 4 DIMM slots. A dual socket E5-26xx v2 can have 24 DIMM slots. (4 channels per socket, 3 DIMMs per channel)

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Just curious ... Does that weigh just a little less than 11lbs of the 6,1 or maybe just a smidge more ... LMBO

 

[ActionableMango]

Expensive air will be close temp wise and quieter than a CLC, but expensive air will not beat an actual loop on either front

Forgive my ignorance, but what is "expensive air"? Is that the block I saw recently over in the Hackintosh thread?

 

[filmak]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is "expensive air"? Is that the block I saw recently over in the Hackintosh thread?

I would like to know too.

 

[koyoot]

Expensive Air is simply Air cooler. Peltier/standard, very high spec radiator with fan, etc.

 

[pat500000]

Well Apple platform is in development right now. Every single computer has been stalled, because Apple is presumably readying something new, and fresh that will fit Metal and future for Apple. Mac Pro was just the beginning.

The only rumor that I've heard so far is related to rmbp. I haven't heard any other rumor in relating to nMP other than the coding in El Capitan.

 

[rGiskard]

I have a bad feeling that Apple may keep the Xeon by introducing the iMac Pro, which they just put the Xeon in there with some soldered ECC RAM, but still the same hopeless cooling system with 1 or 2 down clocked "custom" FirePro GPU.

And of course, the price is about 3x normal iMac

I've wondered about this, too, but there is also this possibility:
Broadwell-E 3.4 GHz Six-Core i7 6800K

Apple could charge $2999 for their base AIO "pro" and then upsell buyers on SSD, RAM, and GPU. Judging by their treatment of desktop Macs, the iMac is the only one they care to make, so Apple may begin to transition pro users to the AIO. And really, many pro users don't need Xeons and ECC RAM.

So leave the Tube for 8+ cores and dual GPU, and the iMac for 4-6 cores. Only problem here is the iMac is now too thin for a desktop GPU and it seems unlikely for Apple to "thicken" the iMac for a pro model. So a 6-core Broadwell i7 mated to a mobile GPU? LOL, that would be very, very in character for Apple. Maybe they could sell it alongside an eGPU box for extreme margins.

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nMP 7.1 that will be best iteration of current, can design:

- Same form factor
- Single socket, dual GPU setup
- Liquid cooling for GPUs, CPU and all the important parts of computer(PSU, etc)
- Internal, coherent fabric, that connects GPUs into single, bigger unit, and allows running both GPUs at 8x PCIe bus, leaving the rest of PCIe connection for TB3.
- Broadwell-EP CPUs.
- Dual HBM1/2 GPUs regardless of brand(preferable AMD because it will fit Metal better)
- Cheaper to buy, and more reliable under load.
- 500-550W PSU.

This is how Apple can improve current design.
Perfect computer for my, not huge needs is:
8 core CPU, 32 GB of RAM 2400 MHz, 512-768 GB SSD, dual Fiji XT clocked at 850-925 MHz, and water cooled.
For my work(video editing, web mastering, gaming it will be way more than enough).

Yeah, we get it. You love water cooling because you've put together a few water cooled systems. But there is zero chance of Apple redesigning the Tube into another Tube for water cooling. You're just listing your own preferences and calling them a prediction.

Here you go, Koyoot, just bolt one of these suckers on top of the Tube:

Fanless, just as Jobs intended.

 

[koyoot]

Yeah, we get it. You love water cooling because you've put together a few water cooled systems. But there is zero chance of Apple redesigning the Tube into another Tube for water cooling. You're just listing your own preferences and calling them a prediction.

Where is prediction in my post? Rather opinion how Apple can improve current design of Mac Pro. Your anger towards my person distorted your perspective.

No need to get personal.

And you know what is the difference? I do understand that you and people who need tower may have different point of view, and I absolutely tolerate it. What you and others didn't seen was that I am arguing about mocking MP 6.1. Not your perspectives.

About technical stuff there has been a lot of written and there also will be written even more. That is subjective matter, rather than objective.

And one last thing: wouldn't that computer from my post be cool?

 

[phairphan]

If they offered 2x12 Core CPU's, yes. Apple probably would have offered 2x6 Cores BTO as before. When they released 2012 MP's, there were 8 Core Xeons available yet Apple did not offer 2x8 BTO's. Same with 2009 MP's. Why do you assume that suddenly in 2013 Apple would have offered the max amount of single cores per CPU?

I don't recall precisely offhand, but weren't all of the 8-core and more chips in the Westmere family EX processors? I believe those would have required a different socket and chipset than the EP processors that were offered in the cMP. It's not as if Apple simply didn't offer a drop-in option. They would have had to create essentially a new computer to accommodate the 8-core option in that generation.

 

[rGiskard]

Where is prediction in my post? Rather opinion how Apple can improve current design of Mac Pro. Your anger towards my person distorted your perspective.

No need to get personal.

And you know what is the difference? I do understand that you and people who need tower may have different point of view, and I absolutely tolerate it. What you and others didn't seen was that I am arguing about mocking MP 6.1. Not your perspectives.

About technical stuff there has been a lot of written and there also will be written even more. That is subjective matter, rather than objective.

And one last thing: wouldn't that computer from my post be cool?

Yes, the computer from your post would be very cool, we can definitely agree upon that! And I DO wish it were likely for Apple to seriously rethink the Tube, if not to make it a tower then to at least improve the thermal management enough to obviate the need to detune the GPUs.

Odd that No One seemed to abandon this thread. I wonder if that Apple Security sniffed him out? Heh.

 

[fastlanephil]

Odd that No One seemed to abandon this thread. I wonder if that Apple Security sniffed him out? Heh.

Or maybe snuffed him out! Stay tuned and keep your fingers crossed.

 

[Aldaris]

... or a massive troll post got all of us going...

 

[Reticuli]

... or a massive troll post got all of us going...

This.
He set the fire that a thousand people have set before and he walked off to watch it burn from a distance.
ANOTHER tower vs tube thread, because we haven't had enough of those.

 

[ManuelGomes]

This could be the foundation of the 2018 nMP model:
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-platform-launch-2017/
The Xeon parts that is

 

[pat500000]

I wonder if Mac Pro air would be considered.

 

[ManuelGomes]

El Cap 10.11.6 out.

 

[rGiskard]

This could be the foundation of the 2018 nMP model:
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-platform-launch-2017/
The Xeon parts that is

That's a nice choice for a high end iMac or low end Tube. I've wondered if Apple intend to offer a Broadwell-E hexacore iMac Pro. But with the current 4GHz i7 iMac w/4GB vRAM already costing $2800 I fear to even contemplate Apple's price for a hexacore iMac with 6 - 8 GB vRAM. Once more 5K SST displays hit the market it would probably be cheaper to just buy a Tube and 3rd party display, with the advantage that you can sell the Tube when you upgrade it to a newer model.

If Apple would offer a modern Power Mac Cube in the form of an i7 Tube they could sell a crap ton if priced reasonably. Offer it with a single desktop consumer GPU, a 3.5" HDD bay in place of the second GPU board (for Fusion configuration), and an aluminium cover instead of the polished Darth Vader cover, price it at $1699, and finally there would be an honest desktop computer choice for those of us who don't want a welded-shut computer bolted to the back of an expensive monitor. But of course they won't because it may cannibalize sales of overpriced Xeon Tubes and iMacs. Today's Apple prioritizes rapacious margins over the needs of loyal Mac users.
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This.
He set the fire that a thousand people have set before and he walked off to watch it burn from a distance.
ANOTHER tower vs tube thread, because we haven't had enough of those.

To be fair, he didn't just walk off, he's posted several times to this thread over a few weeks I think. And if he's for real, why would he want to stay and argue about what is obviously a fundamentally flawed product?

I hope he is for real, but I expect he only shared his fantasy explanation for Apple's stagnant flagship Mac computer. Not really a troll except for those gullible enough to believe everything they see on the intertoobs.

 

[Demigod Mac]

Anyone tried final 10.11.6 with Nvidia beta driver 346.03.15b01 yet? Assuming it works as usual and tomorrow we get the final driver.

 

[flat five]

I fear to even contemplate Apple's price for a hexacore iMac with 6 - 8 GB vRAM. Once more 5K SST displays hit the market it would probably be cheaper to just buy a Tube and 3rd party display, with the advantage that you can sell the Tube when you upgrade it to a newer model.

advantage how? like you can sell a used tube and not a used imac?

Today's Apple prioritizes rapacious margins over the needs of loyal Mac users.

you get it that Apple is a corporation, right?
there's no freaking corporation out there that doesn't do this.. money and power are the number 1 priority of a corporation.. a-n-y corporation.. 'loyalty' to a corporation is baloney.. definitely not something anyone should set out to do..

"oh.. i'm going to buy Honda and be loyal to the corporation"
don't do that.

seriously, if you need a computer and you like apple computers and they're capable of doing what you need from them and the cost is justifiable to you then buy them..

if all of those don't check out.. then buy a computer that does.

..but the whole spiel "oh.. oh.. i'm a loyal customer and blahblahblah........"
meh
..crap like that is a huge part of why we're all in the mess (ie- modern consumerism) in the first place.. like you're complaining about something that you're just as responsible* for as the corporations are.


....
*or.. at least much more responsible for than you're taking credit for.