At least until HP sells Z-series in Rose Gold.
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flat, I've been saying this for a long time. I guess everyone just wants to see the consumer side of things but if you're a shareholder or investor you don't give a crap about what a few want.
And everybody seems so worried regarding the "throw away" hardware (not upgradable that is) but if you keep replacing parts do you really think the problem of the disposable hardware just goes away? Just because you even sell it to someone else that will eventually use it some time more? Wake up. It goes in the landfill just the same, maybe just not so soon. And you also can sell an un-upgradable computer you know?
We're all to blame to always want the best/fastest/nicer looking/great oc potential/whatever fancies you. people even do it just because, not that they need to really.
We get behind the excuse that we need to be faster than the other guy (maybe a competitor even) just to be on the bleeding edge. But the work gets done the same, like it used to get done long ago. If everyone goes by the same rule there's really no need for most of this. But then, big corporations will sell you zilch and might go out of business. This is a never ending loop.
But I digress...
[doublepost=1468932832][/doublepost]I have no doubts HP will follow suit and release something like that, eventually.
Again, if people like it from Apple, and it sells, everyone will follow suit, no doubt.
Remember, HP is also a big corporation and if Rose Gold will sell they will follow Apple (sorry, HP doesn't do that).
And everybody seems so worried regarding the "throw away" hardware (not upgradable that is) but if you keep replacing parts do you really think the problem of the disposable hardware just goes away? Just because you even sell it to someone else that will eventually use it some time more? Wake up. It goes in the landfill just the same, maybe just not so soon. And you also can sell an un-upgradable computer you know?
We're all to blame to always want the best/fastest/nicer looking/great oc potential/whatever fancies you. people even do it just because, not that they need to really.
We get behind the excuse that we need to be faster than the other guy (maybe a competitor even) just to be on the bleeding edge. But the work gets done the same, like it used to get done long ago. If everyone goes by the same rule there's really no need for most of this. But then, big corporations will sell you zilch and might go out of business. This is a never ending loop.
But I digress...
[doublepost=1468932832][/doublepost]I have no doubts HP will follow suit and release something like that, eventually.
Again, if people like it from Apple, and it sells, everyone will follow suit, no doubt.
Remember, HP is also a big corporation and if Rose Gold will sell they will follow Apple (sorry, HP doesn't do that).
But when you alienate a core group of professionals, even if they're few in number, those effects ripple outward as they begin to dissuade friends, family, and business associates against buying Apple hardware because they've felt abandoned. I switched from Windows in 2008 or so, became a huge Apple evangelist, and at this point I actively dissuade people against the hardware, depending on their situation. I love my iPhone SE, which I'm surprised they didn't totally feature cripple, but once my 2012 Mac mini needs a refresh, I don't know what I'm going to do since Apple has been actively hostile to its desktop Mac users for years now.
Not the tiny pro market magically persuades the mass population not to buy conspiracy. Too many Apple products are easily accessible, people will make their own decisions on what works for them. People brought this up before but not really able to show one way or another this is the way it works despite their own experiences.
For the most part I agree with the idea if the current Mac Pro meets your needs then continue using (or purchase one if that's the case). However doing so without considering the future would be a mistake because there's the possibility Apple may never update it and, as time progresses, the Mac Pro will fail to meet people's needs. Therefore they should be considering alternatives.
IMO there is no reason for Apple to have gone so long without updating the Mac Pro. It's been approximately 2 1/2 years with no update and no sign of an update. This length of time would be worrisome to me if my living depending on a product which has been neglected for so long. I wouldn't be worried if no improved technology had been released for which Apple could update the Mac Pro. But that's not the case.
Here ya go.
Lots of great SFFs out there and some really good ones on the horizon.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10492/intel-readies-new-nucs-based-on-kaby-lake-and-apollo-lake-socs
I think the premise is the pro's will somehow convince the the one billion active users or average consumers against Apple products. Not talking about the pro's to other pro's.
So how is what you said only applicable to Apple??
I had a Z I got for a song it was DP tool less everything the construction was better than just about anything on the market and it was quiet. The reason I sold the machine was that the power supply only provided me with a single 6 pin connector and that limited the upgradability. You have to buy computers for the here and now there is no future proof in any real sense. The baddest most über computer is old school tomorrow everything will always need or want more power and if you mix corporate lifecycle replacement the nMP design is not an issue.
My non-upgradeable inflexible plotter costs 4 times more than my MP, 4 of it's 12 ink cartridges cost more than my MP. My glass/acrylic cutter costs more than my MP. My SW suit costs more than my MP, my boss pays me more every two weeks than my out the door MP purchase. I can continue to use my MP until one if it's far more expensive peripherals dies and needs and replacement and doesn't provide a driver package for it. Computers are not timeless nor should people expect them to be they are simply another cost of doing business.
People and companies like the ones @AidenShaw support are not by their nature Mac houses Apple has never offered the flexibility or computing power that Linux and to a lesser extent Windows facilitates. That doesn't necessarily excuse Apple for the tube mistake but it's an area that Apple never really competed in in the first place.
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Apple is the only one who sells Macintosh computers. If HP were to discontinue their Z-series workstation I could buy one from Dell. Or I could but one from any number of vendors. I'm not reliant on a single source for my systems.
If you are reliant on a single vendor to make your living you deserve whats coming when they don't provide.
It's your opinion people are fools for relying on Macintosh computers to earn their living?
My belief is that anyone who relies on a single vendor to earn a living deserves what they get when that vendor bows out....ya know exactly what I said in the last post
IOW you think people are foolish for relying on Macintosh computers to earn their living. Got it.
Does it have a screen Pat ??? If not Apple probably won't make it ... LOL
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At least until HP sells Z-series in Rose Gold.
Come on Aiden .... You know HP is calling their's Peuter Pink.
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The Z600 didn't have a larger stock power supply..
But I got a converter
that converts ATX to the board but I couldn't find a case that was easily modifiable to take the board
You..you got it
Somehow ... I don't want to agree with this but you may have something. I think if you have a preference AND that preferred solution is available that makes good business sense BUT you better have a Plan B for the day that Solution be it Macintosh or another of my Favorites Buell goes sideways. Apple is not looking very healthy concerning the PRO Market or interest. iMac Pro may go over big. iPad PRO Flex with its 22" Flexible screen and 48 core A16 chip may be the next big thing. One thing for sure looks to be the case though .... Screen Less Macs like Mac Pro or Mini are probably going to die.
Thanks Tim ....
Haha yeah but Mac Pro never had a screen in the first place. It's a machine with nothing inside. Lol
Possibly now that Apple has changed their focus away from computers. Which is why those who do so would be well advised to investigate alternatives now while they still have time.You..you got it
What if the iMac display is tip top but the computer is ready for an upgrade? Do you think this stuff through or do you just kneejerk defend whatever Apple deems The Way Things Are?
Yes, Apple are indeed a corporation. Good job on spotting that one. Worth at the very least an Apple Merit Badge. And since they're a corporation...what? They can screw their customers at will? Apparently they can, because they haven't treated their Mac customers with respect in years yet their sales don't seem to be hurt much. Are we supposed to celebrate this?
You still haven't figured it out yet, have you? The reason us geeks like Macs is for OS X. The hardware is a tolerable insult with which we put up for the sake of running a decent OS.
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Or keep the one they have of they will provide service in the future and integrate new things in their setup.
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Umm...the top of the line quad was about 15k in todays dollars, the buy in was 4k..
The base line G5 was about $3100 in todays dollars how again is the cMP or nMP prices higher than PowerMac's??
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I see no problem with this as long as it continues to meet their needs. However at some point that's unlikely to be the case if Apple doesn't update it (ask all the Amiga and SGI advocates).