MP 7,1 Mac Pro T2 chip concerns

[g75d3]

I have a question for those who would like to buy new 2019 Mac Pro. Are you concerned about T2 chip? It has been source of various problems such as “Bridge OS” crashes, audio dropouts when using external usb audio interface(on MacBook pros since 2018, including current 16 inch, MacBook Air 2018, iMac Pro ,Mac Mini 2018). May be Apple quietly made a different revision and fixed it? It would be interesting to know which revision of T2 chip does 2019 Mac Pro have.

 

[bsbeamer]

FWIW, the T2 in MBP16,1 has been 100% fine and not experiencing ANY of those issues, even when using with eGPU, massive storage capacities, numerous external drives, multiple USB devices, and/or network devices.

 

[thevault]

Apple is trying I believe to shut down "H-ackintosh" and "right to repair".

 

[iAssimilated]

I've had no issues with the T2 chip in my 8,1 Mac mini.

 

[Juicy Box]

Apple is trying I believe to shut down "H-ackintosh" and "right to repair".

I was thinking the same thing.


I guess there are some benefits of having the T2, but I wonder if it is worth it in the long run, especially for those that like to work on their own Macs.

My main used Mac is a maxed out BTO Late 2012 iMac, which still performs very well. I think I will wait and see what the last Mac to not have a T2 is, and get that one. It might be a 2019 iMac, as the iMacs are overdue for a redesign.

 

[bsbeamer]

If Apple wants to shutdown Hackintosh configs, they’d establish a T2/TX requirement for macOS to function. They’re not at that point and not sure they ever will be. Even MP5,1 can easily bypass the Catalina restrictions.

 

[Snow Tiger]

Apple is trying I believe to shut down "H-ackintosh" and "right to repair".

If Apple makes the Mac Pro 7,1 too difficult to repair and upgrade , then we'll be facing the same issues that made the Mac Pro 6,1 Cylinder a failure for most macOS users . There was wholesale rejection of the 6,1 by the intended customers and many jumped ship to Windows . Can Apple afford that again ? They could wind up as a rich company with no workstation / HEDT customers , ironically . Slowly gliding to oblivion over the next decades . I don't think a saturated cell phone market will save them in the end ...
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If Apple wants to shutdown Hackintosh configs, they’d establish a T2/TX requirement for macOS to function. They’re not at that point and not sure they ever will be.

I didn't know that . Thanks !

 

[Juicy Box]

They’re not at that point and not sure they ever will be.

I hope you are right, but I don't think you are.

 

[bsbeamer]

There are a lot of easy ways for Apple to shutdown Hackintosh machines from latest OS releases. T2/TX is most obvious, but as long as MP5,1 and earlier can bypass most others will still be able to in some capacity. Time will tell, but its clear Catalina will not have this restriction and likely 10.16 as well.

 

[DearthnVader]

I think when only T2/Tx chips are supported by the macOS, Apple will lock it down.

So 4-6 years from now it's going to be a lot harder to create Hackintoshes.

I know that's what I would do if I were Apple, kill the clones.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

I have a question to whose who would like to buy new 2019 Mac Pro. Are you concerned about T2 chip? It has been source of various problems such as “Bridge OS” crashes, audio dropouts when using external usb audio interface(on MacBook pros since 2018, including current 16 inch, MacBook Air 2018, iMac Pro ,Mac Mini 2018). May be Apple quietly made a different revision and fixed it? It would be interesting to know which revision of T2 chip does 2019 Mac Pro have.

no, I'm not.
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Apple is trying I believe to shut down "H-ackintosh" and "right to repair".

Those two are not the same thing. In any case, if they lock out pirated MacOS, good!

 

[SecuritySteve]

All Apple needs to do is white list and distribute some secondary OS's and deviceIDs in macOS for the T2 chip, and this entire conversation is moot. My bet is they are doing exactly that with the rack mounted Mac Pro, which is why that product is delayed (as most people would run ESXi on that version, which currently they have not supported). The T2 chip does not exist to simply make everyone's life difficult. Apple genuinely wants it to be a selling point, not a deterrent.

 

[tsialex]

There are a lot of easy ways for Apple to shutdown Hackintosh machines from latest OS releases. T2/TX is most obvious, but as long as MP5,1 and earlier can bypass most others will still be able to in some capacity. Time will tell, but its clear Catalina will not have this restriction and likely 10.16 as well.

2019 iMacs still don't have a T2, so Apple will support non-T2 macOS at least while 2019 iMacs are still supported, probably for 6+ years yet.

 

[thevault]

I was thinking the same thing.


I guess there are some benefits of having the T2, but I wonder if it is worth it in the long run, especially for those that like to work on their own Macs.

My main used Mac is a maxed out BTO Late 2012 iMac, which still performs very well. I think I will wait and see what the last Mac to not have a T2 is, and get that one. It might be a 2019 iMac, as the iMacs are overdue for a redesign.

I also do not need this so called security in addition not having control changing SSD's. Now, I have to purchase PCIe SSD cards for bootable capabilities... I still like the OS but this might be the the last MP for me since the 2013 MP debacle I started moving everything over to WinOS (and the Dune case). We shall see but Apple is locking out right to repair....
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All Apple needs to do is white list and distribute some secondary OS's and deviceIDs in macOS for the T2 chip, and this entire conversation is moot. My bet is they are doing exactly that with the rack mounted Mac Pro, which is why that product is delayed (as most people would run ESXi on that version, which currently they have not supported). The T2 chip does not exist to simply make everyone's life difficult. Apple genuinely wants it to be a selling point, not a deterrent.

Very interesting....

Selling point? Not for many....

 

[vaugha]

I still have the popping noise issue on my 2019 mbp 15" even w/ 10.15.2 update. The issue isn't entirely fixed yet.

Some people w/ 16" are saying it's been fixed, but definitely not the 15". Also I'm inclined to say 10.15.2 has some stability issues - my mbp froze for the first time since purchase and my mba rebooted by itself while on 10.15.1 during sleep.

Apple got their work cut out for them this year w/ a slew of so many mac releases and refreshes in the longest time I can remember.

 

[weckart]

If Apple wants to shutdown Hackintosh configs, they’d establish a T2/TX requirement for macOS to function. They’re not at that point and not sure they ever will be. Even MP5,1 can easily bypass the Catalina restrictions.

Well, the MP 2019 will only boot through T2. Any other blade SSD can only be used as storage so the rot has started.

 

[thevault]

Well, the MP 2019 will only boot through T2. Any other blade SSD can only be used as storage so the rot has started.

Don't think that's true?

 

[tsialex]

Well, the MP 2019 will only boot through T2. Any other blade SSD can only be used as storage so the rot has started.

This is just wrong. Boot Recovery, run Startup Security Utility and enable external boot and boot from any storage you want:

 

[reukiodo]

Wow, nice find! This should be a sticky! Also the first thing I will do on any T2 Mac, if I ever own one.

 

[macguru9999]

When Apple has left behind every non T2 mac, and OSX 10.19 or 10.2x only supports models with a T2 chip, then I suppose they could kill the clones that way .... or perhaps the os will only run on apple processors ....

 

[thevault]

I believe that's the idea........

 

[macguru9999]

What I am even more afraid of is that you will only be able to run software downloaded direct from the apple store ...

 

[bsbeamer]

This is all overblown and becoming the same thread that keeps popping up here. As long as boot camp is available, there are additional OS options for your machine if you decide macOS isn’t right for you and your needs. If you’re that concerned, don’t buy the hardware. The choice really is that simple. No one is forcing you to purchase these machines. Even if you’re “required” for work, change clients or professions if you don’t like the choices available. The rest of us are (mostly) happy workstations are available again, even if budget considerations make the decisions more difficult.

 

[weckart]

This is just wrong. Boot Recovery, run Startup Security Utility and enable external boot and boot from any storage you want:

I stand corrected. I based this on initial reviews which seemed to suggest this was the case.

 

[thevault]

This is all overblown and becoming the same thread that keeps popping up here. As long as boot camp is available, there are additional OS options for your machine if you decide macOS isn’t right for you and your needs. If you’re that concerned, don’t buy the hardware. The choice really is that simple. No one is forcing you to purchase these machines. Even if you’re “required” for work, change clients or professions if you don’t like the choices available. The rest of us are (mostly) happy workstations are available again, even if budget considerations make the decisions more difficult.

I believe know one is forcing you to read or post in this thread and I'm purchasing these machines