Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Mac Pro - the End of an ERA?
- Thread starter thepixelpusher
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
IIRC, that's the interview where he described Scully and onwards as having "corrupt" values, which lead to Apple itself becoming corrupted, and losing its way. I've thought about that a few times of late.
Because the CPU alone costs - how much?
Why would you want to pay 9k, for the CPU alone, when you can get 32 cores, for half of that price?
As I said, Apple is not stuck at 18 cores.Because the CPU alone costs - how much?
Why would you want to pay 9k, for the CPU alone, when you can get 32 cores, for half of that price?
They may make a business decision that few of their customers can use more than 18 cores, but they're not stuck due to Intel. (Probably few of their customers even need 18 cores.)
I would assume if they needed more cores, they could set up task distribution. Though it goes without saying that if you need 28 cores, it's likely you'll be using more than that and thus already have a local setup that's setup for more task distribution due to a wider array of cores.
I hope that makes sense. HP is the only OEM as of two months ago that offered the new 28 core processors in single or dual processor setups. I can't imagine many customers have ordered the single processor or dual processor setups outside of very select niche businesses.
I hope that makes sense. HP is the only OEM as of two months ago that offered the new 28 core processors in single or dual processor setups. I can't imagine many customers have ordered the single processor or dual processor setups outside of very select niche businesses.
Whether this is a "niche" or not is open for debate:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-the-end-of-an-era.2117617/page-12#post-26086181
The Dell Precision 7820 is available with a single 28 core, the 7920 has single or dual 28 core.
SuperMicro's SuperStations are available with single or dual 28 core.
Last edited:
What comes to my predictions that there could be an AR/VR user interface on its way to macOS, Apple has been granted some sort of a new touchpad & keyboard patent along with some VR interaction patents:
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...-very-mysterious-macbook-design-and-more.html
If anything, we should see new tools for creating AR/VR content.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...-very-mysterious-macbook-design-and-more.html
If anything, we should see new tools for creating AR/VR content.
Last edited:
Look at the new Razer Blade 15, almost bezel-less display, at launch was upgradeable upto 32gb, now with samsung's just launched 32gb SODIMM it can hold upto 64 GB of user upgradeable memory as well a std m.2, NVMe all this w/o resign to std HDMI, DP ports and a bigger 80W battery, and its even slimmer than a MBP - I'd like to see it on a Macbook Pro, or at least non-soldered components this time,
I'd like to thank the posters here for a civil and productive discussion on a hot button topic. I do hope that Apple satisfies the "Pro" user in their 2019 release. It certainly has been a long wait.
I'm very concerned on what's now their definition on a Pro user, since it is inherently wide, a PRO machine has to be powerful and flexible to adap such wide requirements, or at least top 90%, a flexible design with lots of CTO options is the obvious answer, but seems they are reluctant to this unless they clean their's errors boneyards (iMac Pro - tcMP)
Last edited:
Apple still sells the last gen Macbook Pro 15" with Haswell processor. They could put the new Intel EMIB 100W version in to it. That would give nearly RX 570 Pro GPU power. But I suppose what they'll do is they'll put the 65W version to the current model.
But that was an answer to the Pro laptop question... not the Pro desktop.
Because the CPU alone costs - how much?
Why would you want to pay 9k, for the CPU alone, when you can get 32 cores, for half of that price?
Because you want the best and are willing to pay for it?
What happened to getting to choose what you need and pay what you consider reasonable ?
Come, let me show you the smoking ruins of Aperture, Shake, DVD Studio Pro, GarageBand's Podcasting tools, Quicktime, iBooks Author, etc etc etc and tell me again why anyone would waste time investing in a toolchain from Apple?
so around two thirds of the GPU power of a single mobile Nvidia 1080, and "Pro" Windows laptops can have dual 1080s.
Pay whatever price you want?
Yes, I need the dual 28 core and i consider free to be a reasonable price.
For that price you will get dual 32 Epyc CPU setup.
What will be better? Single 28 core, or dual 32?
Dual 28 core Intel would be my choice.
Or more specifically, on price/performance, the Xeon 6154 and 8168 are the best workstation CPUs right now. We've been using them at my company since launch.
EPYC is great in some really specific use cases but tends to underwhelm as a general usage workstation CPU at the high end. The 18 core Xeon 6154 runs about even with the 32 core EPYC 7601 in real world rendering tasks and a good deal faster in anything clockspeed sensitive. The 8168 is a good 15-20% quicker than that.
Last edited:
This is the same Steve Jobs (in roughly same time frame ) that said ....
" .. If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth — and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago. ... "
I don't see the " It is all Tim Cook's" notion if he is simply executing the plan that Jobs laid out. The slow down (and or complete dis-investment) of the Mac Pro started back in 2008-9. That's why there was nothing in 2011-2012 (not even video card speed bumps). There are practical lead times to getting new systems out. ( again a substantive factor as to why there was nothing in 2017-2018 for the Mac Pro ).
In many ways Jobs was in the marketing guys camp. Jobs was not running around Apple with a soldering iron and grinding out code. It is Jobs philosophy that Apple should do a limited number of narrowly focused products in the areas where they complete in (i.e., Apple should offer a relatively fixed number of Macs. ).
There is almost nothing that Apple has said (via Jobs or Cook ) where they convey they have any notion that they have some kind of monopoly power in the space that the Macs operate in. So the key point of relevancy to his quote in the video is what in the context of Macs and even more so in the context of Mac Pro ( where the percentage of the overall workstation market is even less for over approximately two decades ) ?
the epyc has more pci-e lanes. Just thing of the power of DUAL video cards + 10 GIG
96 lanes in a dual Xeon-SP vs 128 in a dual EPYC. More is better, sure, but in a workstation context that 96 vs 128 doesn't make much difference. You run out of physical space and power capacity before you run out of lanes for GPU's and storage.
The most interesting SKU's in the EPYC lineup are the P variants like 7551P where the single socket retains 128 lanes. A great choice for an NVME storage server.
Price/performance?
You can buy TWO dual 32 core workstations for price of single dual 28 core Intel Xeon workstation. Thanks to the fact, that Epyc costs HALF of what 28 core Xeon costs.