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Melbourne Park

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I just hope the law goes on hard on companies like Apple and so that they can’t solder SSDs and not pair parts and the computer we actually buy is ours, parts included. It’s idiocy that US law and companies are so unethical.
iFixit looking at a recent MacBook, said a whole lot of its internals were designated to that particular notebook. They said that only Apple would be able to replace such parts. Apple is also proclaiming their "Self Repair" program. They even say they'll rent tools for self repair. But with the hardware only working in each particular computer, they have got that all covered. And they'll simply stop supply of a part and then that computer will be dead.

We saw the user pays model first with computers in the old days, then the computer cost a lot. And then as prices dropped, you paid annually of the software. Such as with business IBM computers, from System 36 etc to small RISC IBM unix boxes that could do a fair bit for the time. The annual software cost in the 90's was almost the cost of a small IBM unix box.

The great leap backward was with printers - you'd buy a cheap ink jet and its ink cartridges cost a heap, and they lasted for 1000 pages. And if you left the printer idle the ink dried out and you'd use 20% of the ink supply cleaning the ink jets. A brilliant business model and Microsoft took notice. And Adobe too. Give any company a monopoly and they will abuse their power. Even without a monopoly companies will behave that way and not compete with each other. Once there was a cheap streaming movie channel with lots of content. Now there are a heap of them, they all cost much more, and they content is the same. Apple is a relatively small player but they are focused on forcing people to buy many of their products in order to get them to work. A watch needs a phone. Two factor often requires two devices. And now hardware is not upgradable. Unix is the answer for the rest of us. Think different.
 
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mattspace

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It’s even just a single Duo on its own. I tried both of them. I have no trust in Apple at all. No stability at all.

As above, even MS Office apps take ages a while to load, even the Adobe ones also, Experience Manager excluded as it seems to run really fast.

That's what I mean - a single Duo is two graphics cards. maybe they haven't debugged more than one graphics "card".
 
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mattspace

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I maintain my claim of Darwin being stable, is it perfect? No.

I'll be honest, the fact that in 2024 a single hard drive being obstreperous can block the entire I/O subsystem - so the time machine prefpane will sit there empty & refusing to load, because a drive that isn't a time machine drive, and isn't backed up by time machine is delaying unmounting, is freaking clownshoes for a "stable" kernel.

macOS has always had this problem, and Apple have never been able to fix it.
 

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One thing I noted in the presentation was the lack of any Mac Pros in the fake "labs." There were only MacBooks and Mac Studios...
even if these are fake labs the implication is terrible. imagine doing any research and development on a mac studio.......
 

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Anyway, moving back to the Mac Pro, I'm praying that todays dearth of true upgrades does not somehow color what we can foretell for the M4 upgrades to their desktop line.
 
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even if these are fake labs the implication is terrible. imagine doing any research and development on a mac studio.......
We do?…

They’re perfectly fine for what they offer, and the lower price means we can get more of ‘em.

There certainly are some instances where we need a Mac Pro, and we have them too. We also use a Dell workstation on wheels for virtual production (though it’s so loud, it makes working with audio a pain). We just try to find the right tool for the job.

Anyway, an interesting takeaway from the presentation was the increase in memory bandwidth, so that bodes well for future Macs. (I hope)
 

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We do?…

They’re perfectly fine for what they offer, and the lower price means we can get more of ‘em.

There certainly are some instances where we need a Mac Pro, and we have them too. We also use a Dell workstation on wheels for virtual production (though it’s so loud, it makes working with audio a pain). We just try to find the right tool for the job.

Anyway, an interesting takeaway from the presentation was the increase in memory bandwidth, so that bodes well for future Macs. (I hope)

I like your optimism! :D I hope you are correct!
 

avro707

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Now you've got me curious. I'm gonna reach out to my colleagues and report back.
The only problem is if the machine is using fans with specific design like old classic Mac Pro then you have to do more work.

The Noctua fans are quiet.
 
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Boil

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Noctua NF-A12x25 fans are awesome, I have five of them in my PC; one intake, one exhaust, one on the CPU heat sink, and two on the GPU heat sink...
 

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Anyway, moving back to the Mac Pro, I'm praying that todays dearth of true upgrades does not somehow color what we can foretell for the M4 upgrades to their desktop line.

I suspect we’ll know one way or the other if there is a Mac event in November.
It might be just a Mini, iPad on stick, MacBook show.
If there’s no mention of upcoming M4 Studios or MP’s in ‘25 that ship will have sailed for even more people interested in HEDTs from Apple.
 

Boil

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I suspect we’ll know one way or the other if there is a Mac event in November.

Annual Mac Event is usually in October...

It might be just a Mini, iPad on stick, MacBook show.

That would give us hardware using the M4, M4 Pro, & M4 Max SoCs; this will also let us see the configuration of said SoCs, rumors have two dies & two configurations for one of said dies...

M4 will be a singular die like in the M4 iPad Pro, maybe with slightly higher clock speeds, and maybe with the full 12GB of RAM as a base point...

M4 Pro could also be a singular die, but with an interconnect, giving us a second configuration of the M4 Pro that has two of these dies connected to make the M4 Max package...

If there’s no mention of upcoming M4 Studios or MP’s in ‘25 that ship will have sailed for even more people interested in HEDTs from Apple.

Hidra die - One for the M4 Max Mac Studio, two to make an Ultra & four to make an Extreme...?

I just want to see an M4 Extreme Mac Pro Cube... ;^p
 

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Safest prediction would be M4 laptops next month, M4 mini in the spring, M4 Max / Ultra Studio and Ultra MP released in the summer. Likely via a 30 second segment at WWDC.

See you all back here in 2026, to wring our hands about Apple’s apparent lack of commitment to high-end desktops, and to speculate on whether Apple will keep making the MP or not.
 
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Boil

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Assorted M4/M4 Pro/M4 Max laptops this October
M4/M4 Pro Mac mini & iMac Spring 2025
MM4 Max/M4 Ultra/M4 Extreme Mac Studio, Mac Pro, & Mac Pro Cube WWDC 2025
 

fuchsdh

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Assorted M4/M4 Pro/M4 Max laptops this October
M4/M4 Pro Mac mini & iMac Spring 2025
MM4 Max/M4 Ultra/M4 Extreme Mac Studio, Mac Pro, & Mac Pro Cube WWDC 2025

I'm kind of curious about the iMac, since Apple seemingly has decided not to focus on it and it skipped the M2. I wouldn't put bets on it getting more frequent updates.
 

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I'm kind of curious about the iMac, since Apple seemingly has decided not to focus on it and it skipped the M2. I wouldn't put bets on it getting more frequent updates.

Laptops make up 95% of Mac sales, which in turn only rivals the "AirPods + other" category for revenue. I wouldn't put bets on any Mac desktop getting more than an occasional update.
 
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fuchsdh

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Laptops make up 95% of Mac sales, which in turn only rivals the "AirPods + other" category for revenue. I wouldn't put bets on any Mac desktop getting more than an occasional update.

Yeah, but they introduced a new desktop and have more frequently updated the consumer line than they had in years. Time will tell if the skipping-generations thing is a general rule across the lines or more an aberration.
 

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One thing I noted in the presentation was the lack of any Mac Pros in the fake "labs." There were only MacBooks and Mac Studios...
They change from Mac mini racks to Mac Pro racks. Depends on the set but for Mac focused events we see Mac Pros


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