Mac Studio Speculation [Merged]

[Pezimak]

Longevity And Burn-In Investigation: 10-Month Results

It has been about ten months since we started our long-term accelerated longevity and burn-in test, and our 100+ TVs and monitors have cumulated over 500,000 hours of runtime.

www.rtings.com

"As for burn-in, well, unfortunately, it seems like burn-in is still an issue, but newer panels are clearly better than older generations, and it seems like most people shouldn't worry about it with varied content."


You really need to educate yourself if you think BURN IN is not an issue. It still is and will be for a while especially for content with static elements (computer has tons of them)

So, if you have varied content then you will probably be fine as the tech improved there. If you have CNN or any static content on for hours and hours then you will get OLED.

Lets not live in denial here!

Im not living in ‘denial’, I’m using my own personal experience with OLED displays for the last 6 years. And no leaving a screen on for 10 months straight with the same image proves nothing because there is a totally unrealistic situation no one replicates in real life use. Also note in that test they had LCD TVs suffer burn in, and yet every computer monitor is LCD but your not mentioning that are you…
Anyway this is taking this thread too far off topic now.

 

[Gloor]

Are you not using Mac OS?

the top bar is always on so the scenario that you say is unrealistic is totally off. If we get OLED those of us that work long hours (I have computer on for roughly 12-14 hours a day) and few statis elements (like the top bar). That will get burn in.
You can talk all you want about your personal experience but the fact is OLED didn't solve burn in yet.

Maybe you don't understand the tech or maybe you don't have the same usage but either way, OLED will burn in if the right conditions are met. And with static elements in OS its super easy to meet those conditions!!!

Im not living in ‘denial’, I’m using my own personal experience with OLED displays for the last 6 years. And no leaving a screen on for 10 months straight with the same image proves nothing because there is a totally unrealistic situation no one replicates in real life use. Also note in that test they had LCD TVs suffer burn in, and yet every computer monitor is LCD but your not mentioning that are you…
Anyway this is taking this thread too far off topic now.

 

[Pezimak]

Are you not using Mac OS?

the top bar is always on so the scenario that you say is unrealistic is totally off. If we get OLED those of us that work long hours (I have computer on for roughly 12-14 hours a day) and few statis elements (like the top bar). That will get burn in.
You can talk all you want about your personal experience but the fact is OLED didn't solve burn in yet.

Maybe you don't understand the tech or maybe you don't have the same usage but either way, OLED will burn in if the right conditions are met. And with static elements in OS its super easy to meet those conditions!!!

Of course I understand the tech! But no more replies as it’s off topic, and I have a different opinion to yours.

 

[splifingate]

Gent-lemen! Gentle-men!

Do I need to remind you that there will be no Business conducted on the Continental Grounds!

May I suggest a visit to the bar, so that you may calm yourselves?

 

[Pezimak]

I’ve now got £1700 saved so far for a new Mac Studio, gonna sell something I don’t want that should net another £250 ish, my target is £2500. I’m really really hoping they update it to the M4 this year. And I think Gurman has to be wrong about end of 2025 he’s predicted for M4 Studio. After I’ve got my Studio, my first new Mac for 14 years! I’ll replace my monitor with a nice 32” OLED at some point probably.
I did briefly recently think about a MacBook Pro but I can’t stomach the £3600 price for a Max model.

 

[secondsky]

Lets summarize:

Reasons why Apple is rather going to present a M4 Mac Studio this year:

• N3B has nearly double the costs in production due to very low yield rates. TSMC and Apple both want to get out of this asap.
• AI, Apple lags behind and wants to push AI development on Macs (this year is the year for this or they will lose the dev to windows/nvidea/qualcomm)
• Current M2 Ultra only faster for GPU intensive tasks and compared to M3 Max not as far better as it should be.
• If Apple stays with M2 Ultra on MacStudio, probability for further declining sales in the desktop market
• M3 Ultra was never planned (see missing interconnector on M3 Chips).
• There is enough production capacity for N3E (on N3B Apple was the only customer).
• It would fit the update cycle for the Mac Studio which we did see till now (yearly).

Reason why Apple wont bring the M4 Ultra now:

• Chip design for Pro/Max/Ultra not ready
• They dont care about the sales/customers of the desktops as much and the costs are too high to develop a M4 Ultra (if its a new monolithic chip without interconnect of two M4 Max).

 

[Giuanniello]

My 2014 i7Mini can't make it any longer, I have to update and actually upgrade, looking at a Studio rather than upgrading a Mini, I need 1TB and 16GB so the difference between an on steroid Mini and a base Studio makes me bend to the latter, I won't upgrade before September-October and so far it seems there won't be any new Studio announced next week, is there any rumor about updates?

Thanks

 

[Pezimak]

My 2014 i7Mini can't make it any longer, I have to update and actually upgrade, looking at a Studio rather than upgrading a Mini, I need 1TB and 16GB so the difference between an on steroid Mini and a base Studio makes me bend to the latter, I won't upgrade before September-October and so far it seems there won't be any new Studio announced next week, is there any rumor about updates?

Thanks

Personally, I believe will see a new M4 Studio sometime this year, I do not buy into Gurmans ridiculous prediction of no new Studio update till end of 2025.

 

[clv101]

Personally, I believe will see a new M4 Studio sometime this year, I do not buy into Gurmans ridiculous prediction of no new Studio update till end of 2025.

So do I, the Mini and Studio are great platforms and shouldn't be left to fall so far behind Apple's state of the art hardware.

 

[handheldgames]

I would agree that a mac studio / mac pro upgrade is LONG overdue. PLUS If Apple wants to flex AI power with top of the line silicon, it's the right place to start. Hopefully tomorrow we will know more.

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

I kind of expact an M4 Studio to be announced at WWDC.

 

[Pezimak]

I kind of expact an M4 Studio to be announced at WWDC.

That would make sense but I wouldn't expect them.

 

[Pezimak]

That would make sense but I wouldn't expect them.

Having said that….. Mark Gurman did confidently state NO new Macs would be announced at last years WWDC event, and Apple announced the new MacBook Air M2 at the event. So yeah he does have a reputation of being utterly wrong about these things. Frankly I was shocked he got the iPad Pro models right.

 

[Boil]

SOMETHING needs to be announced/released shortly if Apple expects their developers to jump on the all-new Apple Intelligence train...?

 

[makamoto]

Apple kindly asks Mark Gurman to say “no new Mac models at WWDC”.

This allows them to sell a few extra M2 models to Gurman/blog readers before the M4 models are announced at dubdub.
They want to minimize how many brand new M2 Macs have to be discounted and moved to the “refurbished” section next week.

 

[Chuckeee]

Apple kindly asks Mark Gurman to say “no new Mac models at WWDC”.

Apple doesn’t need to kindly ask Gurman anything. That can drop a crumb here and there and play him like a puppet, if they wanted to.

I still say no chance of an M4 Studio if it would adversely impact M3 MacBook Pro sales.

 

[Pezimak]

Apple doesn’t need to kindly ask Gurman anything. That can drop a crumb here and there and play him like a puppet, if they wanted to.

I still say no chance of an M4 Studio if it would adversely impact M3 MacBook Pro sales.

And the new iPad Pro M4 won‘t disrupt their sales? I mean if you can get by with a 13” iPad it’s a hell of a device to use over an M3 MacBook Pro.

 

[Gloor]

Apple store still up. Not looking good for an update today

 

[makamoto]

True, hopes fading.
Maybe they’ve figured out how to just switch to an updated site with new products right after?

Surely Apple would rather not lose sales and customers by having the store offline for hours.

 

[Gloor]

Not true. Its a marketing tactic that has been around for decades. Apple will most likely always keep this tradition.

True, hopes fading.
Maybe they’ve figured out how to just switch to an updated site with new products right after?

Surely Apple would rather not lose sales and customers by having the store offline for hours.

 

[alfmoonspace]

Store down!

EDIT: nm, it’s back with the same ole M2 goodness.

 

[PoisonTheWell]

"Watch the keynote" on the website.

 

[Bafflefish]

Welp, here’s hoping we’re not waiting a year for M4-based Mac Studios…

 

[MacPoulet]

There was colourful language coming out of my office today. Good thing I had the door closed...

 

[Mac Hammer Fan]

WWDC 2024 was a disappointment for me. No M4 Macs announced. OS with a lot of bells and whistles and only some AI-features I will probably use.