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Boil

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On Apple silicon some high-end pro cards may still be unsupported - like ProTools HDX cards I believe just got native support. They also don’t support PCIe 5 which could be added with the Mac Pro. I’m not totally aware of the full status of card support though.

Only cards that would benefit from PCIe5 would be (GP)GPUs, M.2 NVMe SSD-based RAID cards, and probably some high-end multi-port networking/fiber channel cards; the Blackmagic Design 8K video I/O card is PCIe3 x8 and the HDX audio cards are PCIe3 x4...?
 

Jorbanead

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Only cards that would benefit from PCIe5 would be (GP)GPUs, M.2 NVMe SSD-based RAID cards, and probably some high-end multi-port networking/fiber channel cards; the Blackmagic Design 8K video I/O card is PCIe3 x8 and the HDX audio cards are PCIe3 x4...?
Right - those (HDX and PCIe 5) were two different statements not related. I was just saying they could also add that as it would benefit pro users who want to expand SSD or use GPU’s if they end up supporting that.
 

heeroyuigo

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Hello

I have seen that starting this week, the Mac Studio is going to 3/4 weeks of delivery excluding option changes on the B2B store. (prices without vat)
New Mac Studio in the works ?

screenshots: from the Business Store (B2B)
 

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Kimmo

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Hello

I have seen that starting this week, the Mac Studio is going to 3/4 weeks of delivery excluding option changes on the B2B store. (prices without vat)
New Mac Studio in the works ?
Not sure, but a lot of refurbs have been showing up on Apple's US site recently, 20 just a few minutes ago.

The Refurbs are available in 1-2 days and pricing in the US is the same as education pricing.
 

heeroyuigo

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The B2B store has a different structure, for example it was closed for 4 hours for the Mac mini M2 while the B2C store was not
 

Serqetry

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Hello

I have seen that starting this week, the Mac Studio is going to 3/4 weeks of delivery excluding option changes on the B2B store. (prices without vat)
New Mac Studio in the works ?
I believe we'll probably have M2 Mac Studios this year, hopefully soon. The Gurman Studio/Mac Pro rumors are illogical garbage.
 
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Algr

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New Mac Studio in the works ?
It could be that there is simply no point in making any more M1 family chips. The M2s might have only minimal costs above their M1 equivalents. So they might just stick in an M2 Max/Ultra and leave everything else exactly the same.
Edit: This happened when the PowerPC G3 chip came out. Apple immediately stopped using any other chip, and upgraded all models quite quickly.

Of course we could hope they would do something user friendly like slots for a second SSD or other expansion. But this is Apple after all.
 
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heeroyuigo

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If Apple hesitates on the Mac Studio versus the new Mac Pro

Coherence would like to : Mac mini Mx/Mx Pro, Mac Studio Mx Max et Mac Pro Mx Ultra
(remove the Mac Studio Ultra)
 

Pressure

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We are nearing the 1-year date for the announcement of the Mac Studio (March 8th 2022). Choosing the base model and upgrading it to the M1 Max with 32-core GPU immediately sets the shipping date 3-4 weeks out.

Hopefully this means we will hear something soon. I really want to upgrade to the M2 Max as it now supports my monitor out of the box.
 

Jorbanead

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It could be that there is simply no point in making any more M1 family chips. The M2s might have only minimal costs above their M1 equivalents. So they might just stick in an M2 Max/Ultra and leave everything else exactly the same.
They are new chips using new core technology on the N5P process which is different than the M1 5nm process. It still takes some considerable RnD to make a whole new batch of these chips. The Ultra variant using ultra fusion is also a bit more complex too. My thought is that Apple doesn’t think it’s worth it to create the Ultra chip every year. Professionals tend to upgrade less often than consumers since we buy machines that are beyond our requirements so they last for several years, and Apple historically has not always done annual upgrades of the higher-end pro machines too due to RnD and manufacturing costs.

The Mac Pro has always been somewhat of a loss leader (Though I think Apple still makes some money off of them, just not their usual margins). The Mac Pro is there to serve as a halo product and to showcase Apple’s most powerful features. The Ultra variant of the studio is likely in this same category. It’s there not because it’s going to sell high volumes of computers, but it’s there to showcase power and performance at the highest levels. It’s to show that Apple can compete with intel and AMD. It’s to show that Apple is the leader in the silicon wars.

But these loss leaders and halo products can’t be made every year. Apple doesn’t need to do this either. That’s why I think Mac Studio and Mac Pro won’t come out every year. Apple doesn’t need to. They’re halo products meant to strengthen the Apple Silicon and Macintosh brands.
 

Algr

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It still takes some considerable RnD to make a whole new batch of these chips.
Yes, but that is a one-time cost. Once Apple knows how to make an M2, they don't have to keep paying for the knowledge. So there is no cost advantage to using the M1 design, other than using a bit less silicon.
 

Jorbanead

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Yes, but that is a one-time cost. Once Apple knows how to make an M2, they don't have to keep paying for the knowledge. So there is no cost advantage to using the M1 design, other than using a bit less silicon.
The studio doesn’t use M1 or M2. It uses the Max and Ultra chips. To our knowledge we don’t know if they have even created an M2 Ultra chip yet. That chip requires separate RnD that builds off of the baseline chips. It doesn’t automatically get created once they create M2.

But aside from that, Apple doesn’t always update products even when there are chips available. If you look back at the Mac mini and iMac during intel years, there were plenty of times where intel had new chips Apple could have used but Apple chose not to update those macs. To me this is one of the biggest clues on what’s coming. Apple, even when hardware and silicon are available, doesn’t always feel the need to update every Mac every generation. Only their top selling macs seem to get the annual update treatment.
 
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Deep_Thought

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I've had an M1 Ultra 20c48c on order from a supplier for a while now - apparently supply constraints kept moving delivery back. Another supplier has told me that its now going EOL... Any thoughts?
 

Pressure

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I've had an M1 Ultra 20c48c on order from a supplier for a while now - apparently supply constraints kept moving delivery back. Another supplier has told me that its now going EOL... Any thoughts?
Define "a while" and yes, it would make sense. We are coming up to the 1 year announcement date and the M2 Max is already out.
 

MacGarage

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I've had an M1 Ultra 20c48c on order from a supplier for a while now - apparently supply constraints kept moving delivery back. Another supplier has told me that its now going EOL... Any thoughts?
Was it EOL for the M1 Ultra or EOL for the Studio in general?
 

ubermick

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That's curious.

I actually woke up this morning determined and said "screw it, no more fence sitting, I'm just gonna order the M1 Max Studio with 64GB and the 32core GPU" and noticed right away the delivery dates had gone from less than a week to almost a month. Quick read of this thread has me back on the fence now!!! 🤣
 

Serqetry

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That's curious.

I actually woke up this morning determined and said "screw it, no more fence sitting, I'm just gonna order the M1 Max Studio with 64GB and the 32core GPU" and noticed right away the delivery dates had gone from less than a week to almost a month. Quick read of this thread has me back on the fence now!!! 🤣
Yeah I almost did the same thing. I think M2 Mac Studio is probably coming soon. The idea that Apple won't update the Studio because of overlap with a potential Mac Pro?... It's so absurd I can't believe people are falling for the dumb rumors. If their supposed Mac Pro in the works is really too similar to the Mac Studio, that's a problem with the Mac Pro not the Studio, and Apple would be insane to release that kind of a "Mac Pro".
 
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NeonNights

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That's curious.

I actually woke up this morning determined and said "screw it, no more fence sitting, I'm just gonna order the M1 Max Studio with 64GB and the 32core GPU" and noticed right away the delivery dates had gone from less than a week to almost a month. Quick read of this thread has me back on the fence now!!! 🤣
Just now I configured a 32c M1 Max with 64B and delivery is estimated to be only two weeks or less. Hoping we get news of an M2 Max Mac Studio this month and hope we're not left with just disappointment.
 

Kimmo

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That's curious.

I actually woke up this morning determined and said "screw it, no more fence sitting, I'm just gonna order the M1 Max Studio with 64GB and the 32core GPU" and noticed right away the delivery dates had gone from less than a week to almost a month. Quick read of this thread has me back on the fence now!!! 🤣

Me, too.

Turtle on a fence post.jpg


And I didn't get up here by myself.

C'mon Tim, let us know what's going on. :cool:
 
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heeroyuigo

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after a check on the B2B store (with multiple configurations) :
  • 3 to 5 days max for iMac
  • 5 to 7 days max for Mac mini
  • 2 to 4 days max for MacBook Air M2 or M1
  • 2 to 4 days max for MacBook Pro 13'' M2
  • 3 to 5 days max for MacBook Pro 14'' or 16''
  • 5 to 7 days max for Mac Pro
  • 3 to 4 weeks max for Mac Studio M1 Max
  • 3 weeks max for Mac Studio M1 Ultra
Info: from the Business Store (B2B)
 
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Jorbanead

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after a check on the B2B store (with multiple configurations) :
  • 3 to 5 days max for iMac
  • 5 to 7 days max for Mac mini
  • 2 to 4 days max for MacBook Air M2 or M1
  • 2 to 4 days max for MacBook Pro 13'' M2
  • 3 to 5 days max for MacBook Pro 14'' or 16''
  • 5 to 7 days max for Mac Pro
  • 3 to 4 weeks max for Mac Studio M1 Max
  • 3 weeks max for Mac Studio M1 Ultra

It also likely varies depending on where you live. Looking at the Apple Store here in Seattle:

Mac Studio M1 Max base config - In stock at Apple Store or 2 day shipping

Mac Studio M1 Max BTO - arrives in less than two weeks

Mac Studio M1 Ultra base config - 2 to 3 weeks

Mac Studio M1 Ultra BTO - arrives in less than two weeks

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MBP 14” and 16” Base config - arrives in 2 days

MBP 14” and 16” BTO - arrives in less than 2 weeks

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So really the only odd one here is the Mac Studio Ultra base config. I can get a Studio Ultra BTO option within the same time as a 14” or 16” BTO option.

Not to be Debbie downer but from Seattle - it doesn’t look like the studio is EOL yet.
 

heeroyuigo

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It also likely varies depending on where you live. Looking at the Apple Store here in Seattle:

Mac Studio M1 Max base config - In stock at Apple Store or 2 day shipping

Mac Studio M1 Max BTO - arrives in less than two weeks

Mac Studio M1 Ultra base config - 2 to 3 weeks

Mac Studio M1 Ultra BTO - arrives in less than two weeks

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MBP 14” and 16” Base config - arrives in 2 days

MBP 14” and 16” BTO - arrives in less than 2 weeks

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So really the only odd one here is the Mac Studio Ultra base config. I can get a Studio Ultra BTO option within the same time as a 14” or 16” BTO option.

Not to be Debbie downer but from Seattle - it doesn’t look like the studio is EOL yet.

On the B2C or B2B store ?

I'm talking about the Business Store (no the Customer store) on https://ecommerce2.apple.com/
 

Jorbanead

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On the B2C or B2B store ?

I'm talking about the Business Store (no the Customer store) on https://ecommerce2.apple.com/
Ah - I’m not aware of the business store being a marker for when macs get closer to EOL. I’ve always seen people use the regular website as evidence as that’s the primary Avenue to acquire macs.

It’s common when new products are rumored to come out within the next month (or less) to see shipping times on the main store slip months out. This is likely so if a customer purchase a product, and they’re planning on announcing an update to that product soon, they push shipments out beyond the event so people can still return it and buy the new one before it’s been shipped. Then apple can sell the older product to a 3rd party, or use it for other internal reasons (parts, replacements, etc) since they don’t have to worry about the customer opening the package.

Since all Mac Studio shipment times on the main store are less than a month out, and many within 2 weeks, it’s unlikely it’s close to EOL.
 
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