Mac vs PC

[dsnort]

where did u all go? I meant you can still post about dell and mac, but I would appreciate if you answer my questions too

I don't have windows on my Macs, but, I would assume that Win Xp on a Mac would perform pretty much the same as it does on a similiarly equiped PC, now that Macs are using Intel chips

 

[dsnort]

I'm a mac newbie & I love its s/w package & design so far. But since I bought a macbook a week ago, I'm getting into trouble after trouble which I didn't encounter with a precious pc. At this pace, I might go back to my strong ex, pc.. I already decided to build a pc desktop. I think the weakest point of mac is less consumer base to compare with pc although this seems to attract some people who want to feel special, not me. I need more people to ask about trouble shooting and all my friends have a pc, they can't answer.

I know exactly how you feel. For the first week or so after I bought my first Mac I thought I had made the biggest mistake of my life. Nothing worked the way I thought it should, and nothing was where it should be. But once I got used to the way Mac did things differently, I began to appreciate how Mac does things better. And I have never posted a question on this forum, no matter how stupid, that someone didn't supply me with the right answer.

Stick with it, you won't regret it!

 

[dsnort]

Quadruple Post!!!!!

 

[pahanorlando]

thanks a lot, so if I put windows on mac too, will it slow down mac os ?

 

[slooksterPSV]

thanks a lot, so if I put windows on mac too, will it slow down mac os ?

No, OS X and XP do not communicate or even touch each other... wait, does OS X recognize NTFS partition and mount it on OS X? Anyways, nope, regular system maintenance will keep the slow off, and the fast on. Once the computer reads the partition and loads into an OS, the OS has full control basically, none of OS X's apps tell XP's what to do and vice versa. With the partitions in place, theoretically it could make your mac faster (first 5-10% of the HDD (well very start of the HDD)) is the slowest.

 

[kildraik]

I don't have windows on my Macs, but, I would assume that Win Xp on a Mac would perform pretty much the same as it does on a similiarly equiped PC, now that Macs are using Intel chips

Not necessarily. It's mainly due to the motherboard. See, Windows PC's use generic, outdated motherboards that have had the same architecture type for almost a decade, so it is easy to swap and has very interchangeable parts. On the other end, since Apple is so closed sourced, they decide to update all parts to be the top notch performers. This means they build new architectures and build types, giving the Macintosh's actual modern technology. That is why XP runs way so much faster on a new Mac (New board, design, layout- NEW) than on a PC. In otherwords, If you buy a PC, you buy a computer that is, to be put simple, 10 years old with the exception of a new CPU, RAM, cards, USB, the little things. It's old technology, no matter how you look at it- no discussion!

Ever wonder why PC Motherboards are so cheap, and so slow?

Now, ever wonder why Apple's Logic Boards are so expensive, and so fast?

The Macs' prices, in reality, are mainly the Logic Board and display. The rest is just the goodies.

does OS X recognize NTFS partition and mount it on OS X?

Yes. The NTFS Partition is recognizable to OS X, as is FAT32 (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). The standard HD partition for Mac OS X is "Mac Journaled", fyi. Odly, Mac partitions are not recognizable to Windows PC's, i.e. "Mac" iPods.

 

[dsnort]

Well posted kildraik, and thank you. This is why i used the word "assume". You know, makes an "ass" of "u" and "me". ( In this case just "me")

Not necessarily. It's mainly due to the motherboard. See, Windows PC's use generic, outdated motherboards that have had the same architecture type for almost a decade, so it is easy to swap and has very interchangeable parts. On the other end, since Apple is so closed sourced, they decide to update all parts to be the top notch performers. This means they build new architectures and build types, giving the Macintosh's actual modern technology. That is why XP runs way so much faster on a new Mac (New board, design, layout- NEW) than on a PC. In otherwords, If you buy a PC, you buy a computer that is, to be put simple, 10 years old with the exception of a new CPU, RAM, cards, USB, the little things. It's old technology, no matter how you look at it- no discussion!

Ever wonder why PC Motherboards are so cheap, and so slow?

Now, ever wonder why Apple's Logic Boards are so expensive, and so fast?

The Macs' prices, in reality, are mainly the Logic Board and display. The rest is just the goodies.



Yes. The NTFS Partition is recognizable to OS X, as is FAT32 (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). The standard HD partition for Mac OS X is "Mac Journaled", fyi. Odly, Mac partitions are not recognizable to Windows PC's, i.e. "Mac" iPods.

Not to doubt your post, but can you site documentation of the "old motherboard design" reference? It would be a great help in my next discussion with my friend, who is a PC-o-phile. He loves M$ so much he risk cervical damage from Bill Gates arse cheeks should Gates make a sudden, unexpected, sharp turn! ( You wouldn't believe how much fun I've had, when he talks about the new features coming in Vista, to tell him I've been able to do that since I bought my Mac)

 

[slooksterPSV]

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Yes. The NTFS Partition is recognizable to OS X, as is FAT32 (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). The standard HD partition for Mac OS X is "Mac Journaled", fyi. Odly, Mac partitions are not recognizable to Windows PC's, i.e. "Mac" iPods.

Well if you use a certain tool you can SEE there is a partition there, but to Windoze it's unknown, you need HFS+ viewer or something like that, its a PC app that allows you to modify contents on HFS and HFS+ partitions. What's it called... its a partition utility. FDISK can see it too I think.

 

[kildraik]

Can you site documentation of the "old motherboard design" reference? It would be a great help in my next discussion with my friend, who is a PC-o-phile. He loves M$ so much he risk cervical damage from Bill Gates arse cheeks should Gates make a sudden, unexpected, sharp turn! ( You wouldn't believe how much fun I've had, when he talks about the new features coming in Vista, to tell him I've been able to do that since I bought my Mac)

Thats classic. I have never really gotten PC-philes...

But, one simple reference is of course Wikipedia, check out the article here.

The remainder of this article discusses the state of the so-called "IBM compatible PC" motherboard in the early 2000s. It contains the chipset, which controls the operation of the CPU, the PCI, ISA, AGP, and PCI Express expansion slots, and (usually) the IDE/ATA controller as well.

That should explain enough, right there. Sure, I over-exagerrated on 10 years, but it's actually been 6. Close enough, I rounded.

I have also found some further information on the subject, and some sites claim that the latest form update on PC motherboards were in the mid-late 90's, say 97' or 98'. Interesting stuff, the history of the "modern" Personal Computer. Read this quote from further into the article:

A study of the German c't computer magazine c't 2003, vol. 21 pg. 216-221 found that some spurious computer crashes and general reliability issues ranging from screen image distortions to I/O read/write errors can surprisingly be attributed not to software or peripheral hardware but to aging PC motherboards.

Sound familiar? But hmm... people say that Windows causes crashes? Think about it. Sure, Windows is a causing factor, but this newer OS is running on obsolete hardware, on aging, unreliable hardware. Funny how fast it runs on a Mac. It is practically an outrage. New motherboards are as low as $17.99 (courtesy newegg). $17.99. Thats less than the price of a Centris 610 motherboard (courtesy NexComp). There is obviously something not right there. It all looks good on paper, but the product is a false hope, and they do a damn good job at this.

Now, lets have fun. Let's compare similar motherboards, one being an Apple Logic Board, another being a top-of-the-line PC Motherboard, both top of the line tower boards.

The Contenders: (And yet the PC Logic Board has more features. Also, I couldn't even find the price of a brand new G5 Quad Logic Board, and the G5 Dual Logic Board I did find is only a Rev 2. We're on what, Rev 4? 5? higher? LOL!)

Apple: Powermac G5 Dual 2.0Ghz Logic Board (Rev 2)
$899.95
PC: Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$279.99

Now, I know price isn't everything, but it says SOMETHING. Look at both boards, read specs on the machine(s) it goes in, when it was manufactured/made/whatever, etc. Tell me what you think, but I may already know.

Is that good, dsnort? I hope so! Any more questions, please come at me with them! I am having a great time sharing this information!

-Will

 

[pahanorlando]

kidraik, are you trying to say that pc motherboard better?

 

[dsnort]

Is that good, dsnort? I hope so! Any more questions, please come at me with them! I am having a great time sharing this information!

-Will

Thanks kildraik! I am sure I'll be having some fun with this info soon!

 

[kildraik]

kidraik, are you trying to say that pc motherboard better?

No, and by all means, of course not. I'm saying that the PC motherboards are aged, outdated peices of hardware in need of serious Data Path updates and a more sophisticated layout that allows for better data processing and transportation, which the Mac Logic Boards do have.

Apple wins.

Thanks kildraik! I am sure I'll be having some fun with this info soon!

Glad to be of service!

 

[bowens]

here is a better deal that is BRAND spanking new so you can't whine and say it's a refurb'd. BETTER specs than a macbook and only $709 when you add bluetooth, processor and screen upgrades. Face it the macbook is overpriced and this is a good example. you hardcore mac peeps still won't think it's overpriced hardware with the dell deal right in front of your face. and btw if you knew anything about microsoft OS you would know that media center edition is a basic version of XP PRO with the media pack on top of that.

http://slickdeals.net/#p7836

You forgot about adding in Photshop Elements ($90), Acid Music Studio ($70), Microsoft Frontpage ($200), Pinnacle Studio video editor ($130), DVD Copy ($50) to compete with the iLife suite. That brings your total up to $1249. Throw in security and integration between all of the iLife programs and there is no contest.

 

[pahanorlando]

You forgot about adding in Photshop Elements ($90), Acid Music Studio ($70), Microsoft Frontpage ($200), Pinnacle Studio video editor ($130), DVD Copy ($50) to compete with the iLife suite. That brings your total up to $1249. Throw in security and integration between all of the iLife programs and there is no contest.

true, by the way, can you download and hack mac software?

 

[ericmjl]

Perspective, guys, perspective...

You forgot about adding in Photshop Elements ($90), Acid Music Studio ($70), Microsoft Frontpage ($200), Pinnacle Studio video editor ($130), DVD Copy ($50) to compete with the iLife suite. That brings your total up to $1249. Throw in security and integration between all of the iLife programs and there is no contest.

Just wanted to note something: keep some perspective over the issue. Coz Photoshop Elements, Acid Music Studio, Microsoft Frontpage, Pinnacle Studio Video Editor and DVD Copy all have functions that may be absent in iLife; similarly, vice versa. Take for example, M$ Frontpage - it's undoubtedly more powerful than iWeb, but iWeb has ease of use that M$ can sometimes parallel (i.e. templates for webpages). It's really a matter of what you're looking for.

I once did a mini-experiment comparing the MacBook to another Dell, and yes, adding all that software did jack the price up. But one cannot easily quantify the addition or loss of some features when comparing the two of the software suites.

True, there may be security and integration, and that may also be worth more than what Apple charges (bundling = free!), but then keep in mind the differences in functionality that both suites provide.

That said, I'm still eagerly waiting for my White MacBook... It's been almost 2 weeks since I placed the order at the UBC Bookstore, and it's still not here...

 

[pahanorlando]

Just wanted to note something: keep some perspective over the issue. Coz Photoshop Elements, Acid Music Studio, Microsoft Frontpage, Pinnacle Studio Video Editor and DVD Copy all have functions that may be absent in iLife; similarly, vice versa. Take for example, M$ Frontpage - it's undoubtedly more powerful than iWeb, but iWeb has ease of use that M$ can sometimes parallel (i.e. templates for webpages). It's really a matter of what you're looking for.

I once did a mini-experiment comparing the MacBook to another Dell, and yes, adding all that software did jack the price up. But one cannot easily quantify the addition or loss of some features when comparing the two of the software suites.

True, there may be security and integration, and that may also be worth more than what Apple charges (bundling = free!), but then keep in mind the differences in functionality that both suites provide.

That said, I'm still eagerly waiting for my White MacBook... It's been almost 2 weeks since I placed the order at the UBC Bookstore, and it's still not here...

I will buy black macbook eventhough the price is 200$ for no reason, white color seems like in old computers, and black is newer computers color

 

[bowens]

Just wanted to note something: keep some perspective over the issue. Coz Photoshop Elements, Acid Music Studio, Microsoft Frontpage, Pinnacle Studio Video Editor and DVD Copy all have functions that may be absent in iLife; similarly, vice versa. Take for example, M$ Frontpage - it's undoubtedly more powerful than iWeb, but iWeb has ease of use that M$ can sometimes parallel (i.e. templates for webpages). It's really a matter of what you're looking for.

I once did a mini-experiment comparing the MacBook to another Dell, and yes, adding all that software did jack the price up. But one cannot easily quantify the addition or loss of some features when comparing the two of the software suites.

True, there may be security and integration, and that may also be worth more than what Apple charges (bundling = free!), but then keep in mind the differences in functionality that both suites provide.

That said, I'm still eagerly waiting for my White MacBook... It's been almost 2 weeks since I placed the order at the UBC Bookstore, and it's still not here...

I know there is some difference in functionality, but when you buy a stock windows computer, there is no software on there to do any of these functions (don't say Windows Movie Maker, if you've ever used it you know it's a joke). I was just trying to make a point that when you buy a pc, if you want to have the ability to do photo-editing and organizing, music recording, video editing and dvd authoring, and simple web-site creation, you will have to buy additional software. So the cost of the computer is higher when you add in software costs.

 

[twistedlegato]

haha RIGHT, that's why you never acknowledged it. you complained that it was a refurb so i showed you a brand new one that you completetly ignored and continue to ignore. hmmmm wonder what ur reason for not replying is??? it's shocking to you that it's $400 cheaper for the same laptop that apple is charging $1100 for???

One question.....why are you even using a MAC forum when you love your cruddy PC's so much..GEt off the forum if you hate macs and get on a PC world forum and talk about how to get rid of virious and the Blue screen of death on you CHEAP CRAPPY computers. Just leave us ALONE.....Please

 

[twistedlegato]

true, by the way, can you download and hack mac software?

This is not elegible for Mac rumors where we are not allowed to talk about illegal activity. I am sure there is a way to but you should not talk about it here, please find another Website that will answere your questions...Plus if a mod see you talking about illegal activity you will be DELETED. Thanks and i hope you find a new black macbook good. I have a black one to...BUT i would wait for a Rev.B for you since you just want one around WWDC

 

[slooksterPSV]

true, by the way, can you download and hack mac software?

Can you download Mac software?
If you mean Apple Products, then most are updates, so no.
Can you hack mac software?
Depends on what you mean by hack - if you mean changing configuration options that aren't readily available to the user, then some things are possible - e.g. Dock Transparency.
If you mean hack it and modify code as to exploit users and security risks - then this kind of activity is illegal and should not even be thought of and these forums aren't for you.

 

[MacManTexas56]

One question.....why are you even using a MAC forum when you love your cruddy PC's so much..GEt off the forum if you hate macs and get on a PC world forum and talk about how to get rid of virious and the Blue screen of death on you CHEAP CRAPPY computers. Just leave us ALONE.....Please

i like PC AND MAC hence why i'm not a total apple fanboy. people like u and the other guy are the people that give apple such a bad name. I never once said i hated mac. I hate the attitude of the FANBOYS like urself. the only difference between pc and mac now is the OS that is all. I didn't know they were called VIRIOUS and btw i've never gotten a VIRUS bc i use antivirus and firewall protection and i've never had the bluescreen of death. FAnboy's need to get it out of their head that every single pc u has a virus or the bluescreen of death. I'm sure if you had that problem it's bc you didn't have antiVIRIOUS to protect yourself. and apple doesn't get VIRIOUS bc they are like a 4% market share compared to 96% that WINDOWS holds.

 

[Chrispy]

You know.. at least I know when I order a Dell I will probably get working hardware. Too bad the same can't be said for mac right now. And frankly, I'm not going to buy the BS that only the people with problems complain and most MacBooks work. They ALL whine, and they all get hot. Apple is even replacing logic boards on MBPs for people with problems but they STILL SHIP the crappy logic boards to new customers and make you send in your computer for service to get the new and better one ... what a great customer service policy. It is crazy that there are people afraid to buy apple laptops becuase they have proven to be so untrustworthy lately. Come on Apple... WTF.

 

[ITASOR]

You know.. at least I know when I order a Dell I will probably get working hardware. Too bad the same can't be said for mac right now. And frankly, I'm not going to buy the BS that only the people with problems complain and most MacBooks work. They ALL whine, and they all get hot. Apple is even replacing logic boards on MBPs for people with problems but they STILL SHIP the crappy logic boards to new customers and make you send in your computer for service to get the new and better one ... what a great customer service policy. It is crazy that there are people afraid to buy apple laptops becuase they have proven to be so untrustworthy lately. Come on Apple... WTF.

I know, I remember needing a PC laptop a while back, and trying to shop around so I didn't end up with a flimsy whining POS. Now I am doing the same thing debating whether to get a MacBook or not. Only it's not where to buy it this time, it's whether to buy it or scrap the idea completely!

 

[Chrispy]

I know, I remember needing a PC laptop a while back, and trying to shop around so I didn't end up with a flimsy whining POS. Now I am doing the same thing debating whether to get a MacBook or not. Only it's not where to buy it this time, it's whether to buy it or scrap the idea completely!

Agreed. The base macbook is actually competitive to PC pricing given it runs OSX. If it did not have these problems I know many forum members who would jump on one now. Sigh...

 

[pahanorlando]

. I have a black one to...BUT i would wait for a Rev.B for you since you just want one around WWDC

Rev. B? what that? 2nd edition? when it coming out? what difference? what price? thanks