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Chrispy said:
You know.. at least I know when I order a Dell I will probably get working hardware. Too bad the same can't be said for mac right now. And frankly, I'm not going to buy the BS that only the people with problems complain and most MacBooks work. They ALL whine, and they all get hot. Apple is even replacing logic boards on MBPs for people with problems but they STILL SHIP the crappy logic boards to new customers and make you send in your computer for service to get the new and better one ... what a great customer service policy. It is crazy that there are people afraid to buy apple laptops becuase they have proven to be so untrustworthy lately. Come on Apple... WTF.
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Sorry to disappoint, but I've had my Macbook for a month and a half...still no whine, no moo or discoloration. I think that's a gross generalization that all Macbooks are dysfunctional.
 
Again, perspective...

Chrispy said:
You know.. at least I know when I order a Dell I will probably get working hardware. Too bad the same can't be said for mac right now. And frankly, I'm not going to buy the BS that only the people with problems complain and most MacBooks work. They ALL whine, and they all get hot. Apple is even replacing logic boards on MBPs for people with problems but they STILL SHIP the crappy logic boards to new customers and make you send in your computer for service to get the new and better one ... what a great customer service policy. It is crazy that there are people afraid to buy apple laptops becuase they have proven to be so untrustworthy lately. Come on Apple... WTF.
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I figure you've focused only on the vocal minority who have managed to come out and complain about the problems on their MacBooks. It's human nature; if something works, you just don't talk about it, coz you're happy with it; if it doesn't work, you lambast the people who made the product, saying you're gonna boycott it.
 
dejo said:
Among a number of other differences, it's also refurbished. Maybe you need to compare the price with a refurbished MacBook. So, I admit, I don't get your point. You're not making a fair comparison.
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Well you can get a 1.66 Ghz 100 GB 1GB RAM DVDRW 14.1"W (- the webcam) for 700$ new. Cheak any site like deals2buy.com, You cannot get the similar spec mac book at even 1400$. So there you go. Macs cannot and donot compete on price. It is a rather futile argument.
 
budugu said:
Well you can get a 1.66 Ghz 100 GB 1GB RAM DVDRW 14.1"W (- the webcam) for 700$ new. Cheak any site like deals2buy.com, You cannot get the similar spec mac book at even 1400$. So there you go. Macs cannot and donot compete on price. It is a rather futile argument.
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Well, see. It doesn't have a webcam. I am sure there are a number of other specs that don't match (MacBooks start at 1.83GHz, don't come with a 14.1" screen). Therefore, I would say they are not similarly spec'd. That is a bit of an issue, because it's impossible to get a Windows computer that exactly matches the specs of a Mac (and vice versa). Even getting them close to the same specs can be tricky. But the real problem here is people becoming far too mired down in the "numbers". It is not just a matter of quantities. Issues of quality also need to be considered and those are not so easily agreed upon and compared.
 
rmhop81 said:
i like PC AND MAC hence why i'm not a total apple fanboy. people like u and the other guy are the people that give apple such a bad name. I never once said i hated mac. I hate the attitude of the FANBOYS like urself. the only difference between pc and mac now is the OS that is all. I didn't know they were called VIRIOUS and btw i've never gotten a VIRUS bc i use antivirus and firewall protection and i've never had the bluescreen of death. FAnboy's need to get it out of their head that every single pc u has a virus or the bluescreen of death. I'm sure if you had that problem it's bc you didn't have antiVIRIOUS to protect yourself. and apple doesn't get VIRIOUS bc they are like a 4% market share compared to 96% that WINDOWS holds.
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Don't mean to throw salt on the wound, as I'm a PC and MAC user as well. Have you ever had your PC restart for no reason? The only reason why I ask is because Microsoft has convienently have it so that you'll never see a blue screen of death. Instead, your PC is set to "restart on error" by default. ;)

To chime in though, I too never get viruses on my PC. I don't do much to upkeep it. Just make sure my antivirus is up to date.
 
Natsus said:
Don't mean to throw salt on the wound, as I'm a PC and MAC user as well. Have you ever had your PC restart for no reason? The only reason why I ask is because Microsoft has convienently have it so that you'll never see a blue screen of death. Instead, your PC is set to "restart on error" by default. ;)
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I'd heard that from a Microsoft Office engineer too. He used macs, surprise surprise.

In fact apparently over 40% of Microsoft employees use macs!!!! I think they know something we don't!:p :p :p
 
Killyp said:
I'd heard that from a Microsoft Office engineer too. He used macs, surprise surprise.

In fact apparently over 40% of Microsoft employees use macs!!!! I think they know something we don't!:p :p :p
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where did you get the figures for that im curious



GO MACS!!!!!!!!!!
 
Killyp said:
I'd heard that from a Microsoft Office engineer too. He used macs, surprise surprise.

In fact apparently over 40% of Microsoft employees use macs!!!! I think they know something we don't!:p :p :p
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I have personally verified it. My friend's PC kept on rebooting (bad drivers), so I unchecked, "Automatically restart on System Failure" which can be located at:

control panel -> system -> Advanced tab -> Start up and Recovery Settings

The BSOD gives you good info on what may be failing, but I guess MS rather have it so that you'll never see that BSOD again with the user never knowing why their system restarted :p
 
Natsus said:
I have personally verified it. My friend's PC kept on rebooting (bad drivers), so I unchecked, "Automatically restart on System Failure" which can be located at:

control panel -> system -> Advanced tab -> Start up and Recovery Settings

The BSOD gives you good info on what may be failing, but I guess MS rather have it so that you'll never see that BSOD again with the user never knowing why their system restarted :p
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Yeah never underestimate MS's ability to patronize the user...

I wonder what happened to the rumors of a different colored "BSOD" in Vista?
 
dejo said:
Well, see. It doesn't have a webcam. I am sure there are a number of other specs that don't match (MacBooks start at 1.83GHz, don't come with a 14.1" screen). Therefore, I would say they are not similarly spec'd. That is a bit of an issue, because it's impossible to get a Windows computer that exactly matches the specs of a Mac (and vice versa). Even getting them close to the same specs can be tricky. But the real problem here is people becoming far too mired down in the "numbers". It is not just a matter of quantities. Issues of quality also need to be considered and those are not so easily agreed upon and compared.
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it's examples like these that should open up people's eyes that apple notebooks are well overpriced, but again there will be a problem with it somehow.....configure it to the rev a MBP with a 1.83ghz processor and you will see what i'm talking about.

http://slickdeals.net/#p7866
 
budugu said:
So there you go. Macs cannot and donot compete on price.
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Nor should they. If Apple can grow it's market share WHILE commanding a premium price, well, that's kind of the Holy Grail of any business model. And it's one thing we know for sure Apple can do that Dell can't.

Chrispy said:
You know.. at least I know when I order a Dell I will probably get working hardware.
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Not everyone agrees with you. Read quote from article and link to article below.

"Dell has also been hit with a customer backlash over declines in product quality. Numerous Web logs dedicated to highlighting problems with Dell products have appeared this year, and the company's customer approval rating plunged in a survey conducted by the University of Michigan.

The situation with the OptiPlex desktops will not help that reputation. Faulty capacitors on the motherboards of certain OptiPlex desktops can fail over time with no real warning, a Dell spokesman said Monday. The company does not plan to recall the units, but it will replace the motherboards of any units that fail, he said."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/123472-1/article.html
 
im a 2 year windows xp user, worked in suse linux these last 6 months, and im almost sure i will switch to mac, im loiking for a 1.83ghz macbook
the thing is, many times i've seen many comments as: ''hey, i should wait some time after this intel-mac is released so we can know about its problems, always in first version'', but 4 months have passed, and i havent found serious problems
but im not notally sure, im between a dell inspiron 9400 vs 1.83ghz macbook

the dell:
Intel Core Duo 1.73 GHz / 533 MHz FSB
Windows® XP Home
screen17" WXGA i think is 1366x768
1 GB, DDR2, 533MHZ, 2 DIMM (1G2D)
dvd/rw 8x double layer
256MB ATI MOBILITY™ RADEON® x1400 HyperMemory( i added this)
HD 80 Gb 5400rpm
1 year warranty in parts with service to my home
battery lasts 3 h maximum
Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 (802.11 a/g) (54Mbps)
Microsoft® Works 8.5 (crap)
McAfee SecurityCenter Antivirus, Firewall, Spyware Removal, Parental Control & Spamkiller (more crap)
FireWire, S-Video out, VGA, six USB 2.0 ports, 56Kbps modem, 10/100 Ethernet, headphone and microphone jacks, Type II PC Card and Secure Digital slots ,DVI port, also a five-in-one media card reader
dimensions: 39.4 x 28.8 x 4.15 cm
all in 3.45 kg

the mac:
13.3'' screen with 1280 x 800 resolution
1.83GHz Intel Core Duo
Mac OS X Tiger
512MB memory (2x256MB SODIMMs)
60GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive2
Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW)
battery lasts 6 hours maximum
isight built in
2 USB 2.0, firewire,Audio Out: 16 bit stereo mini, Optical S/PDIF, Audio In: 16 bit stereo mini, Optical S/PDIF, Ethernet: 10/100/1000BaseT,Airport Extreme: included
Bluetooth: internal 2.0+EDR
dimensions: 32.4cm x 22.65cm x 2.74cm
weight: 2.35 kg


i found the mac in my country for around 1354 dollars
the dell costs aproximately 1352 dollars
both of them shipped to my home

a try to compare sizes ;)
(the height/width ratios in these images do not correspond to my posted dimensions because theyre opened, but widths correspond)
macscalegk6.jpg

dellzo7.jpg



i think dell's most problems are : windows, a lot of crap software, its size and weight, screen isnt the best, aparently some problems with dvd and compatibility with linux
but its said that is fast and have good performance in apps like games
mac's problems: iworks, probably ill have to install windows, games(im pc gamer but at least age of empires 3 for mac has been announced, GREAT!)
but mac os is far superior :)
so, why do you think is better?
 
-::ubermann::- said:
i think dell's most problems are : a lot of crap, its size and weight, screen isnt the best, aparently some problems with dvd and compatibility with linux
but its said that is fast and have good performance in apps like games
mac's problems: iworks, probably ill have to install windows, games(im pc gamer but at least age of empires 3 for mac has been announced, GREAT!)
but mac os X is far superior :)
so, why do you think is better?
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huh, dude, your dell has 256MB Video Ram for a ATi X1400! and 1G RAM, its more powerful in many situation for sure,
But I will never buy a dell, it looks stupid and big. Compaq/HP is better.
 
Chrispy said:
You know.. at least I know when I order a Dell I will probably get working hardware.
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Are you on crack? In the computer shop I work at on campus, we are an authorized Dell, Apple, and IBM dealer. We actually sell an equal amount of Apple and Dell (thanks to fact that just about every employee is pro-Mac), yet our repair shelf is always about 10 Dells for every one Mac.

I can take pictures if you like. I know I always smile when I go in there.

Not to mention most of the Dells are a week or two weeks old and the Apples we get are mostly iBooks and not any new models. How do you explain that?

Daniel.
 
BurtonCCC said:
I can take pictures if you like. I know I always smile when I go in there.

Daniel.
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This confuses me. How does the repairing of bad Dells put a smile on your face? :cool:
 
rmhop81 said:
a different OS is the only thing now. so when you see a $600 dual core dell laptop and a $1100 apple with the same specs, you're simply choosing the OS bc the hardware is exactly the same.
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Nice try, Mr Dell.

Mac's are the finest engineered computers for their markets. Their OS is miles ahead of Microsoft. The other guy was right about that. The misinformation begins when he starts making false price comparisons. I am not going to do you the same injustice. Go search the web, read the differences, read the REAL price comparisons, and then reach your own conclusion. Oh, and you might just stop by an Apple store one time. It is like Christmas 365 days a year.
 
BurtonCCC said:
Are you on crack? In the computer shop I work at on campus, we are an authorized Dell, Apple, and IBM dealer. We actually sell an equal amount of Apple and Dell (thanks to fact that just about every employee is pro-Mac), yet our repair shelf is always about 10 Dells for every one Mac.

I can take pictures if you like. I know I always smile when I go in there.

Not to mention most of the Dells are a week or two weeks old and the Apples we get are mostly iBooks and not any new models. How do you explain that?

Daniel.
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hey man, so the rumors about the problems caused by switching to intel were only...rumors?
 
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