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There is no rumor of a 15" MBA, just scottsdale saying he wishes there would be one.

That is NOT true. I would buy a 15" MBA, but it would be my "desktop" MBA. I would still use a 13" MBA as my PRIMARY MAC. Providing the rev C gives us the updates. I think there will be a 15" Mac notebook that has a similar form factor to the current MBA only larger display. If one thinks about it, it would be really easy to make a more powerful 3.5 lbs MacBook Air with a 15" display, which would probably even accept a 2.5" drive. It would really only be about 3/4 of an inch wider and would get rid of some of the terrible bezel.

A 15" MacBook with an AIR form thin case would make a world of sense. The whole 13" is consumer, and 15" is Pro thing is ridiculous. Pros want smaller, and consumers want bigger, too.

Also, there is/was a very solid rumor about a 15" MBA coming out Summer 2009. Apparently the rumor came from someone inside to an analyst. Also, there is another rumor that the MB aluminum unibody case will end up becoming a MacBook Pro. Another rumor says the Air form factor will become the MB. And that makes a world of sense, especially if you add a 15" MB that has a thin case too.

So, Pro equals dedicated graphics and blu ray (possibly - some form of optical drive). Consumer MB equals GPU and no optical drive to make for the cost differences.

If one thinks about the price of components of the MBA vs MB, the MBA cannot cost much more to make (smaller drive form equals less space not more cost), displays are similar now, and other components are all similar in price. So, Apple could sell a rev C MBA as a MacBook for a base price of around $1399, then offer a world of BTO or hard configured options catering to much more people than the MB currently does. Us MBA fans would pay the extra for SSD, OLED display, and etc. Imagine us use to paying for the MBA.

$1399
+ $500 OLED Display
+ $700 256 GB SSD
+ $800 8 GB RAM
+ $200 6-hour smart battery (add 1/2 lb if we WANT)
+ $200 dock station
+ $99 AT&T 3G card
+ would would pay for lots of other things.

I don't care what it's called, I want an Air form factor and a bunch of options to upgrade. This could allow Apple to sell the heck out of the MB for base price - I would think they could sell 20 million of them in the first year offered if they included an external optical drive at $1399!!!

The tech is here to provide it as a 2.13 GHz SL9600, 8GB RAM, maybe 256 GB SSD, and battery tech. For the 15" version, a standard voltage CPU would easily be cooled (unless came up with liquid cooling for 13"). So, figure a 2.4 GHz CPU standard with upgrade possibilities to higher powered 2.66 or 2.93 even... 15" would give for some cooling space.

Think up some other things that would inspire 20 million different buyers to buy one model MacBook with current rev B MBA form factor, but with a ton of BTO options to cater to low end MB and high end MBA target markets.

I really think Apple should quit trying to make one or two models that fit all. What we REALLY WANT is BTO options to make the Mac we all want. Look at a Dell order with all of the options. Three CPU options, four RAM options, battery options, four drive options, and etc etc etc. That model allows for a low starting price yet allows high end buyers to get everything they want from the same model.

I just think a MB could sell so many more with two sized displays, an MBA form factor, and a world of BTO options. Everyone gets happy. Apple sells more and can keep margins up too!
 

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Can you all believe we are working on the 17th page of this thread???

There are a lot of MacBook Air fans on MacRumors.com. Let's just hope that we all represent who Apple hopes to please sometime in June.

Has been a fun thread, but I hope we can move on Monday into the sharing of specs and what we plan to do... however, I think we will be talking for at least a few more weeks, especially possible with the naming changes possible to the Mac notebooks and rumor with Jobs leading us through a media event at the end of June. I still will be watching Monday's WWDC keynote hopeful the "One more thing" is pleasing for us MBA fans.

It's time!
 

Scottsdale

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Fixed that for us!

Yes, but you made it look like I said we would be waiting for a few more months. I pray that doesn't happen. All too often, you state that I wrote/stated something I didn't every state. Like I said there was going to be a 15" MBA, and it was my idea. It was a firm rumor, and I believe it's a possibility.

No matter what happens, I will be buying a MBA in June.
 

jdechko

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Seriously Scottsdale, I didn't come here looking for an argument. I actually agree with some of the points you had made. Obviously you have a great deal of experience using the Superdrive with hubs, and that is great information to have on hand for people (like me) who base their posts on older information. However, that doesn't mean the older information is incorrect, just that it doesn't apply anymore. In any case, I will remember this for future reference. As I tried to state several times in my posts, I had no other points of reference other than a few articles from others with firsthand knowledge and posts from people on this very forum who had experience with the same thing.
 

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Seriously Scottsdale, I didn't come here looking for an argument. I actually agree with some of the points you had made. Obviously you have a great deal of experience using the Superdrive with hubs, and that is great information to have on hand for people (like me) who base their posts on older information. However, that doesn't mean the older information is incorrect, just that it doesn't apply anymore. In any case, I will remember this for future reference. As I tried to state several times in my posts, I had no other points of reference other than a few articles from others with firsthand knowledge and posts from people on this very forum who had experience with the same thing.

Uh, ok, never thought I was arguing. Just stating all of the things that do work and the only time to change/alter the SuperDrive is when one needs to use it with a computer OTHER THAN the MacBook Air. Sorry to make you think I was looking for an argument or otherwise challenging you. Not my intent. I still think your point was not validated by the articles you mentioned. I have shared in several threads my experience and read others experiences with SuperDrive. Most everyone has had good experience with powered hubs and the SuperDrive. I never read that the SuperDrive didn't work with the hub in the 24" ACD, yet you stated that. Maybe I missed something, so sorry to upset you. Just trying to inform you of what does work.
 

glitch44

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Yes, but you made it look like I said we would be waiting for a few more months. I pray that doesn't happen. All too often, you state that I wrote/stated something I didn't every state. Like I said there was going to be a 15" MBA, and it was my idea. It was a firm rumor, and I believe it's a possibility.

No matter what happens, I will be buying a MBA in June.

Yes... I "corrected" what you said because I believe there won't be a new Air in June. It was a joke in good fun.

And if you'll reread the thread I stated I was corrected about the 15" Air rumor before you even went on your long post about it. I personally wouldn't call it a "firm" rumor, as the appleinsider article linked to even said it was from "a Chinese-language blog with a debatable track record". The lack of subsequent rumors (or any leaked shots) don't make me think it's that likely, but I welcome all new Apple products.
 

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Yes... I "corrected" what you said because I believe there won't be a new Air in June. It was a joke in good fun.

And if you'll reread the thread I stated I was corrected about the 15" Air rumor before you even went on your long post about it. I personally wouldn't call it a "firm" rumor, as the appleinsider article linked to even said it was from "a Chinese-language blog with a debatable track record". The lack of subsequent rumors (or any leaked shots) don't make me think it's that likely, but I welcome all new Apple products.

I knew the first bit was in fun. I am just being taken wrong all over the place.

You're right about the other part. It's not a "firm" rumor in the sense that we don't have a photo of the frame. But, what I meant was an insider told an analyst that there would be a 15" MBA form factor in the Summer 2009. I think that is a little better than a rumor, but no it's not firm. I often error on the side of fun or what I wish for, and not because it's my primary desire. I just think a 15" Air form factor branded MacBook would sell like crazy. A lot of consumers want 15" and would prefer the Air form factor as they don't need the Pro level graphics card. So, the same money spent would get a more fun system with a MB/MacBook Air in 15 inches.

I don't have the $4000 ready for a new 15" MBA. My money is set aside for a new 13" MacBook Air rev C that is primary Mac capable. Rest is for a new 24" LED ACD. My MBA and ACD were stolen, so I have that money set aside. A 30" LED ACD, w/speakers, w/camera, and w/USB hub would make me upgrade to the bigger ACD (I guess up to around $2500). If it costs more than $2500, I will be buying the 24" ACD again. I really like the docking station like capabilities, but I would prefer 30" and want LED backlit. Although, been no news on a 30" LED ACD for a long time. The current 30" ACD is like five years old, so I have to think a new one is coming soon.

Down the road, if I bought a second Mac, it would be a 15" MBA if available. It would be more of a trial run to determine which I liked better, and I would sell the one that lost... although I doubt I would get rid of the smaller one, as I travel a lot... and 15" is too big for an airline seat (in coach).
 

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Heh, you're already counting out money for a possible Rev C, I'm still hoping they don't EOL or backburner the whole Air series.

I have a feeling it'll be iphone, iphone, iphone for the next 3 months.
 

qubex

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A 15" MacBooAir with 3G is precisely the kind of thing Jobs would messianically reappear to launch at the end of June, maybe cracking a joke that laptops have become thinner while he's become fatter. For the sake of argument call it the MacBookSir. Unfortunately I wouldn't buy one because "Rev A" products are generally useless.
 

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I'm not so sure about June either.

With the WhiteBook update a few weeks ago, my thinking became HOPE and PRAYERS and WISHING... not thinking! But I would prefer to be positive.

Also, the Jobs bit has to be as possibly bad as it is good. Although, Jobs would introduce an iTablet too. And an iTablet has to be good news for the future of the MBA, in my opinion. It would mean the MBA form factor will serve a clearly defined role of primary Mac in a super portable form factor. While the iTablet can be the netbook competitor.

Lots of ways to look at it, but I prefer to be positive. I actually could live with a later refresh of the rev C. I would just be happy to buy a rev B MBA with a 30" LED backlit ACD in June. As long as the rev C MBA wasn't too far behind and it was primary Mac capable.

Wishing, hoping, and praying for Jobs to justify my love for the MBA!
 

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I'm not so sure about June either.

With the WhiteBook update a few weeks ago, my thinking became HOPE and PRAYERS and WISHING... not thinking! But I would prefer to be positive.

Also, the Jobs bit has to be as possibly bad as it is good. Although, Jobs would introduce an iTablet too. And an iTablet has to be good news for the future of the MBA, in my opinion. It would mean the MBA form factor will serve a clearly defined role of primary Mac in a super portable form factor. While the iTablet can be the netbook competitor.

Lots of ways to look at it, but I prefer to be positive. I actually could live with a later refresh of the rev C. I would just be happy to buy a rev B MBA with a 30" LED backlit ACD in June. As long as the rev C MBA wasn't too far behind and it was primary Mac capable.

Wishing, hoping, and praying for Jobs to justify my love for the MBA!
 

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I'm not so sure about June either.

With the WhiteBook update a few weeks ago, my thinking became HOPE and PRAYERS and WISHING... not thinking! But I would prefer to be positive.

Also, the Jobs bit has to be as possibly bad as it is good. Although, Jobs would introduce an iTablet too. And an iTablet has to be good news for the future of the MBA, in my opinion. It would mean the MBA form factor will serve a clearly defined role of primary Mac in a super portable form factor. While the iTablet can be the netbook competitor.

Lots of ways to look at it, but I prefer to be positive. I actually could live with a later refresh of the rev C. I would just be happy to buy a rev B MBA with a 30" LED backlit ACD in June. As long as the rev C MBA wasn't too far behind and it was primary Mac capable.

Wishing, hoping, and praying for Jobs to justify my love for the MBA!
 

jrichie

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Hey Mr Scottsdale and others - I have been following this thread with some amusement at your total enthusiasm at the MBA :)

And I am hoping the same as you!!!

It is a great machine - I had the Rev. A and sold it, not because of faults as I had a perfect one, but it was a bit underpowered for my needs.

However, if the Rev. C is all you are saying, then my 'buy button' finger is all ready. I am trading my 2.4ghz ali Macbook this week for a macpro + cash, so there is a gap in my setup.......

I just hope they are announced in the next few weeks for immediate availability, with 4gb ram + poss. better video and processor.

It is the 4gb which is the clincher for me.
 

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I'm not even hoping. I'm hoping to be proven wrong...

Well then you will not even be the slightest bit disappointed. I have been called the "eternal optimist!" I will be watching with both hands togethee in a boy's prayer position. I still think there are a lot of ways a June announcement is possible; although for some reason June 30/July 1st just became doable for a Jobs presentation - but then one wonders if Apple would wait until after Independence Day. I am ordering an MBA no later than July 1st, so I would even be happy with a new big ACD to go with it if it has to be a rev B MBA. Although that's not true either, as I will be buying the rev B MBA it will be for $1920 NIB from my source instead of Apple (a discount will ease the pain).

I am going to keep on praying though; God hasn't answered on anything lately, so I am hopeful He comes through with a rev C that blows us all away! Um let's see, no answer on my Cancer, no help with my daughter's illness, no help on new mortgage, no return of my stolen Macs, no rev C BEFORE WWDC, and there's more! Next "doable" prayer is primary Mac rev C MBA at WWDC (then late June/July 1)! But that one is nearly a snowball's chance in Hell!
 

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Guys, guys, I wouldn't get your hopes up for a 15" MBA anytime soon. If anything... the 15" MBA you guys are hoping for will be the future 15" MBP in a few years. A 15" MBA right now would just be a big thin underperforming laptop. The "Air" is suppose to be something light and ultra portable that can be carried around anywhere (please don't make an argument that a 15" can be ultra portable). From an Apple perspective it would make more sense to decrease the size of the MBA than it would to increase it. Netbooks have gotten so popular because of how small and ultra portable they are (and cheap).
 

glitch44

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Guys, guys, I wouldn't get your hopes up for a 15" MBA anytime soon. If anything... the 15" MBA you guys are hoping for will be the future 15" MBP in a few years. A 15" MBA right now would just be a big thin underperforming laptop. The "Air" is suppose to be something light and ultra portable that can be carried around anywhere (please don't make an argument that a 15" can be ultra portable). From an Apple perspective it would make more sense to decrease the size of the MBA than it would to increase it. Netbooks have gotten so popular because of how small and ultra portable they are (and cheap).

re: netbooks



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jdechko

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Uh, ok, never thought I was arguing. Just stating all of the things that do work and the only time to change/alter the SuperDrive is when one needs to use it with a computer OTHER THAN the MacBook Air. Sorry to make you think I was looking for an argument or otherwise challenging you. Not my intent. I still think your point was not validated by the articles you mentioned. I have shared in several threads my experience and read others experiences with SuperDrive. Most everyone has had good experience with powered hubs and the SuperDrive. I never read that the SuperDrive didn't work with the hub in the 24" ACD, yet you stated that. Maybe I missed something, so sorry to upset you. Just trying to inform you of what does work.

Cool, cool. I think that sometimes it's a little difficult to convey meaning enough to come to an understanding through just words over the Internet. No harm done though.

It seems to me, though, that perhaps there were some undocumented changes that occurred between the revision a and rev b machines, thus the reason why the information I was basing my posts on is no longer the case.
 

RyanJL

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With the WhiteBook update a few weeks ago, my thinking became HOPE and PRAYERS and WISHING... not thinking! But I would prefer to be positive.

Also, the Jobs bit has to be as possibly bad as it is good. Although, Jobs would introduce an iTablet too. And an iTablet has to be good news for the future of the MBA, in my opinion. It would mean the MBA form factor will serve a clearly defined role of primary Mac in a super portable form factor. While the iTablet can be the netbook competitor.

Lots of ways to look at it, but I prefer to be positive. I actually could live with a later refresh of the rev C. I would just be happy to buy a rev B MBA with a 30" LED backlit ACD in June. As long as the rev C MBA wasn't too far behind and it was primary Mac capable.

Wishing, hoping, and praying for Jobs to justify my love for the MBA!

If anything, the White Macbook update means updates are coming soon for laptops across the board.

Tomorrow's keynote might be all about the iPhone and Snow Leopard, but that doesn't mean updates aren't going to happen to the laptop line. Many of the updates that have been battered around in this thread--4GB RAM, bigger hard/SSD drive, faster processor, etc.--wouldn't warrant much keynote time. They would just happen.

At this point, it's almost a given that the Air, if not all laptops, are getting built-in 3G connectivity. As long as that's being engineered in, the other stuff is easy.
 
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