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Trey M

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I am lost. M3 VS M5 VS M7 : i can't chose.

I need a light computer (two pounds are perfect), and i want to use Photoshop, and Final Cut, Audacity for light works.

I think the m5 is definitely going to be the best choice in the long run for most users. The difference between the m5 and m7 really is very nominal. The m5 is the best combination of storage/power, and it's going to have a much better resale value in the future. You can never upgrade your SSD; 256GB is not going to be enough for a significant portion of members on this forum.

It's understandable to want to get the base model given the nature of the machine: premium price what's essentially an underpowered machine by many users' standards. However, when you consider how often many people use their notebooks on a daily basis and continue to use them for several years and hand them down to family members, etc., it really does make sense to save a little longer or pay the difference to have a device that'll serve your needs for years to come.
 

toddzrx

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I really do think they can get close to the design of the MBA with the new Pros. The last few Intel updates, especially Skylake, bring significant improvements and efficiency as far as the integrated GPU goes. This should make a big impact on the power these Macs require to drive the retina display-- sipping the battery instead of gulping. The biggest bottleneck as far as what Apple tends to allow in terms of pure power almost always revolves around battery life concerns-- whether it's MacBooks, iPhones, or iPads. I think the CPU-architecture improvements are there to create such a device where I don't think it would've been possible before Skylake.

I don't expect the new MBPs to reach MBA-level battery run times, but I do think they can improve upon where they stand today.

I dunno. Given the modest performance increase of the new Macbook, I wouldn't think Skylake chips in a new Pro could make such a big difference. If anything, battery chemistry will probably be more helpful. It's a given that the new machines will perform better, but I don't think Apple would let battery life drop by much if at all; in fact I think they'd want to maintain the 10 hours they have now (for the 13 inch anyway).

We'll probably know in about a month.
 

deliflo

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I think the m5 is definitely going to be the best choice in the long run for most users. The difference between the m5 and m7 really is very nominal. The m5 is the best combination of storage/power, and it's going to have a much better resale value in the future. You can never upgrade your SSD; 256GB is not going to be enough for a significant portion of members on this forum.

It's understandable to want to get the base model given the nature of the machine: premium price what's essentially an underpowered machine by many users' standards. However, when you consider how often many people use their notebooks on a daily basis and continue to use them for several years and hand them down to family members, etc., it really does make sense to save a little longer or pay the difference to have a device that'll serve your needs for years to come.

Thanks, it's not a price problem, i could buy the M7 with 512. But i'm afraid of heat and idle.
 

SchodMC

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Jul 29, 2013
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I am lost. M3 VS M5 VS M7 : i can't chose.

I need a light computer (two pounds are perfect), and i want to use Photoshop, and Final Cut, Audacity for light works.
Well, you can use all of them. It could only be, that you have to wait a little bit longer from time to time while exporting your work. That will be the price you have to pay for a light and very portable machine with a great retina display.

On the other hand, you can also search in eBay for a used Mac mini that will be faster then the MacBook and use it to help, when you are going to need a little bit more of power. It could only be a harm to synchronize your data.

And if all of that compromises won't be an option for you, you have to sacrifice even the retina display (go for a MBA) or the great portability (go for an rMBP which is still some kind of portable).

And finally you also could choose the third solution: accept any of the compromises now for the next two years. Maybe the situation will be different then. Who knows what time will bring...
 

KPOM

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I think the m5 is definitely going to be the best choice in the long run for most users. The difference between the m5 and m7 really is very nominal. The m5 is the best combination of storage/power, and it's going to have a much better resale value in the future. You can never upgrade your SSD; 256GB is not going to be enough for a significant portion of members on this forum.

It's understandable to want to get the base model given the nature of the machine: premium price what's essentially an underpowered machine by many users' standards. However, when you consider how often many people use their notebooks on a daily basis and continue to use them for several years and hand them down to family members, etc., it really does make sense to save a little longer or pay the difference to have a device that'll serve your needs for years to come.


From a pure resale perspective the base is always the best value. Always. A year or 2 from now no one cares about upgrades of any kind.
 
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SchodMC

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From a pure resale perspective the base is always the best value. Always. A year or 2 from now no one cares about upgrades of any kind.
From a pure resale perspective the base is always the best value. Always. A year or 2 from now no one cares about upgrades of any kind.
I think, too. I always bought base models. And I always was happy with them for at least 2 years. And except for mid- or high-end games I always was able to do all of the work I needed to do (Internet, office, a little bit of lightroom and video editing once a year). And if that sometimes needed a few minutes more to render or the video export runs all the night - that never was a problem to me.

Finally I only upgraded after two years, because I wanted something new. I think that the base rMB will also be fine the next two years.
 
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jamrolu

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I don't think I was 100% sure of what I wanted. I basically just didn't want multiple versions of the same folders and files spread across two separate Macs. In that case, the combination of iCloud Drive and Back to My Mac (for anything on my main Mac and not in iCloud Drive) was the best solution. Appreciate your original suggestions.
I've set up BitTorrent Sync to keep my MacBook and iMac in sync. Works extremely fast across the local network but still works fine when on separate networks. And there's a free service level which might be enough for your needs. https://www.getsync.com
 

0983275

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BT Sync is a nice option, but if you prefer something that's open source, Syncthing is a good option.

Dropbox, Google Drive, etc, with encFS works quite well.
 
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izzyfanto

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From a pure resale perspective the base is always the best value. Always. A year or 2 from now no one cares about upgrades of any kind.
Yeah, most Craigslist/eBay buyers wouldn't know upgraded specs, they just know it's older and cheaper. The 2 year old used MB/A/P market seems to exist more for great price reductions rather than expensive upgrades and speed. Someone wanting upgrades and speed would just buy a new one.
I've set up BitTorrent Sync to keep my MacBook and iMac in sync. Works extremely fast across the local network but still works fine when on separate networks. And there's a free service level which might be enough for your needs. https://www.getsync.com
BT Synci is a nice option, but if you prefer something that's open source, Syncthing is a good option. Dropbox, Google Drive, etc, with encFS works quite well.
Thanks for these recommendations.
 
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Liat

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This topic made me go for the m5 instead of the m7.

TL; DR: the sound is awesome, the weight justifies the price, but it’s slightly slower than my late 2012 rMBP, the display isn’t that great, it already rebooted itself two times during sleep.

Long version.

The good:

Weight:
It does matter a lot. I think twice before I put the late 2012 13" rMBP into my briefcase. At the end I usually don’t. It’s not that I can’t carry it. I just don’t like to carry it.

My rMBP was the main reason why I switched from briefcase to backpack. And it’s still not comfortable. Summer makes it worse.

Should I buy laptop today, I would choose either the 15" or the Macbook. I wouldn’t buy the 13". Why? The big difference isn’t between the annoying and the more annoying. It’s between the annoying and the not annoying. When I carry something it either disturbs me or not. It doesn’t matter how much.

I read somewhere that the most productive notebook is the one you have with yourself. If you make your living off sitting front of a computer, this alone justifies buying the Macbook. But wait.

Sound:
The speakers are astonishing. Not only considering the size of the Macbook but in every way. And there is more. While the iPhone and the iPad are okay to listen to music, every Mac I have ever used had terrible sound cards. They all had serious hiss. It’s a high frequency noise that you hear with sensitive earphones. They also had harsh highs. I have tried several MBPs, retina iMacs, Mac minis. I couldn’t bear any of them for more than 5 minutes.

The Macbook also has some hiss, but it’s on a level I can endure. Even more, I can enjoy the music.

Ergonomy:
My rMBP has a bit sharper than usual edges. This doesn’t matter during typing. It matters when I am reading. Put my right hand on the touchpad to scroll. My palm is on the front edge of the rMBP. Usually, I don’t notice it. What I notice in the evening is that my fingers feel strange. Not good-strange.

The Macbook doesn’t have this issue. The edges are rounded. The machine is so thin I can’t really push my palm to its edge anyway. Not that I want to do it. But it happens with the rMBP every day.

The controversial

Keyboard:
I use a mechanical keyboard (Das Keyboard) with my iMac which is quite the opposite of Apple keyboards in general. I used to type on Apple wireless until my hands asked me to not do so.

I am not saying I couldn’t live with the Macbook’s keyboard. It’s not comfortable but fast. I think I could get used to it.

USB-C:
It doesn’t matter. When I feel like plugging many cables into a single machine, I know that my iMac is always ready for more fun.

The bad

Screen:
The Macbook’s screen lacks the contrast. Sometimes I find it uneasy to read on it. I have never had this experience with iPad Air 2, iPhone 6S Plus, rMBP or riMac.

I’m aware that about 80% of the people are color blind. Not in medical terms. Just in the terms of those who can actually see the colors. It’s not only that there is a photo of a white and gold dress that 57% swears to be blue and black. It’s also the different types of the cones in the human eyes. A biological fact.

However, color blind can buy Samsung, Asus, Sony, Acer, HP and so. They can even Eizo to look like color blind professionals. I used to think that so many brands must be enough. I might have been wrong. The day Apple gives up on us is also the day you can forget the word "white".

Uncalibrated Apple devices don’t have perfect colors. Putting them next to one another shocked me a bit. I expected less differences. And I know why I did. I expected them to present almost identical colors because without putting them next to one another, none of them seems to be off.

However, the Macbook’s screen is completely off even if it’s the sole object in time and space. It’s paper-yellow. I don’t think this one is a faulty unit. The color shift reminds me to the Samsung and Asus ultrabooks, 5 years ago. They were the machines that made me buy my first Apple laptop.

I’m scared what if this is intentional. I read many reviews telling how good the Macbook display is "because it is more saturated than the Macbook air’s". Display quality equals saturation. The time left for the human race might be even darker than I expected.

Performance:
I measured the Macbook by something I do from day to day. Which is Ruby on Rails application development. A huge amount of development time is spent on testing the application. In case you don’t know what TDD is, imagine a robot that clicks on everything a human could and should click. The robot does this for you to make sure everything works fine on your website.

The Macbook with the m5 CPU performs slightly slower than the late 2012 13" retina Macbook Pro (default config). Yes, slower. The difference is about 5-10%. It didn’t matter how long the test ran. When I run one test it’s like 16 seconds vs 17 seconds. The whole suite is about 24 minutes vs 26 minutes, in favor of the 4 years old rMBP.

These tests use more or less everything in the computer. A single test already uses several cores as it runs multiple processes: the application, the database server and Firefox. Running Ruby, compiling CSS and JS use the CPU. The database uses IO and memory bandwidth. Firefox uses everything. Even the GPU is used as the site has CSS3 animations. Note that not all of the cores are used on 100%. When Firefox is running, it’s usually the only process that use 100% CPU. There are also tests which don’t require any browser. During these tests it’s Ruby that uses 80-100% CPU.

My late 2014, i7 retina iMac runs these tests about 100% faster. They take about 50% less time. The iMac benefits from running the tests parallel, it can go down to 7 minutes or so, however, that’s not the normal daily usage.

Hoping that the 2016 Macbook will perform like a 2015 or 2014 rMBP might end in disappointment. My use case might be different than yours but I bet it’s still closer to it than the artificial benchmarks. If I tested running some sample Ruby code that would have been artificial too. I tested what I exactly do when I work.

Stability:
The Macbook already restarted itself at least two times. There was a core dump too. I install the same things on my OS X computers. I expect them to reboot only when I ask. What’s interesting that the Macbook rebooted / crashed when the lid was closed and it was supposed to be sleeping. At least once the reboot didn’t happen right after I put the Macbook into sleep but a few hours later. I had no issues when I was actually using it. But I don’t work on an unstable computer. It’s not worth the risks.

The question is whether I should replace it or ask for a refund. Let’s suppose that the replacement would solve the stability issue.

The point is that some of my work can be done outside. It’s less efficient but refreshing. I feel I spend too much time at home anyway. But I carry the rMBP only when I go away for days. I don’t see why this would change. All my life I preferred having more comfort over having less. It worked out well so I will keep it this way.

The Macbook is so light I would always carry it. I did it for a week. It was fun. I could work more this way, or I could work the same amount with more fun. Getting fresh air, traveling around, whatever.

On the other hand, its only benefit compared to my 2012 rMBP is its weight. The rMBP is slightly faster (for my work), the screen is way better in every aspect. I have dedicated devices to listen to music. I kinda like that the rMBP reboots only on mutual agreement. No wonder we already have a history.

The charger and the battery for the rMBP should be replaced if I somehow change my mind about carrying it. So the question boils down to whether it is worth about 1400 CHF to carry 0.7kg less. (1455 USD, 1.5 pounds).

In case you work for yourself, and you often feel you should have brought your computer with yourself but you didn’t, or you think you should go out more often but not for doing meaningless things, the answer might be yes.

If your work doesn’t depend on the CPU, let’s say you write articles or you run a business, the Macbook might be your best buy.

If you are picky about colors and contract, if your work requires CPU, if you understand how much your productivity suffers when you are waiting for the computer, you probably want to consider skipping it at least until we see the 2016 rMBP upgrades.

Bottom line: no, it’s not as fast as these charts say.
 
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KPOM

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It shouldn't be rebooting. You may have a bad logic board. I'd take it back and get it replaced.
 

dilutedq

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You've got a lot wrong with yours, take it back and return it. The screen, performance, stability. Just return and get a new one.
 

Mollan

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Jul 29, 2013
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The reboot thing happened to me as well, three times.
You leave it with the lid closed, and when you come back it is warm. Once you open the lid and connect the power, a kernel panic screen appears and it reboots.

I thought it was related to Parallels, but two weeks ago it happened also without Parallels running.

Let's see how it get worse.
 

enthawizeguy

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Jun 10, 2007
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How is this right tho? my 2011 macbook pro has a 11,000 geek bench score so there is no way...




I put together this chart of the average MacBook Geekbench scores, compared to the i5 variants of previous MacBook Airs and MacBook Pros:

MacBook Air vs. MacBook:
The m5 and m7 MacBooks outperform all prior i5 MacBook Airs in the benchmark. The m3 MacBook scores about the same as the 2014 MacBook Air for single core performance, and about the same as the 2011 Air for multicore.
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MacBook Pro vs. MacBook:
The 2016 m7 MacBook is similar in performance to the 2014 and 2015 MacBook Pros. The m5 performs slightly worse than the m7, but still better than the 2013 MacBook Pro. The m3 MacBook performs similarly to a 2011 MacBook Pro.
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Notice that there is a rather large performance jump between the m3 and m5. The performance improvement is smaller between the m5 and m7. But note that the m7 has a significantly higher clocked GPU than the m5, which Geekbench (a CPU test) won't account for. So if you're working with graphics at all, you might still want to get the m7.
 

Mollan

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Benchmarks are quite useless nowadays. If a task takes 10 ms to be completed by a Mac Pro, having something that's 500% slower means that the action would be performed in 50 ms. Who the hell can notice a difference? However, the heavier the task it get, the bigger are the differences...but you should be a fool to buy a MacBook if you need to do heavy work. It's like buying a Fiat 500 and complaining that it cannot fit the furniture of the whole house...
 
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Mortis360

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I bought a basemodel with the upgraded processor, since I don't have the biggest need for 512GB storage but I have more need for processing power (processing of images), I figured out that's my best choice. Exporting one image from DxO Optics Pro takes between 15 and 30 secounds, depending on what I do with the image, it's not alot slower than the 15" rMBP i had before actually. I don't regret getting the M7 for my needs.
 

addictive

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I'm thinking of purchasing the 2016 Retina Macbook.

I'm using a Macbook aluminium unibody from 2008. It has a Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz processor - I realise it has been nearly eight years since I purchased this computer but I've read Core M processors are not too powerful.

I've updated my Mac to 1TB SSD and 8GB RAM so the computer works well but I wonder how much of a difference I'll notice in the processor.

Is there any data or graphs I can compare the two computers?
 

KPOM

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I'm thinking of purchasing the 2016 Retina Macbook.

I'm using a Macbook aluminium unibody from 2008. It has a Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz processor - I realise it has been nearly eight years since I purchased this computer but I've read Core M processors are not too powerful.

I've updated my Mac to 1TB SSD and 8GB RAM so the computer works well but I wonder how much of a difference I'll notice in the processor.

Is there any data or graphs I can compare the two computers?
The Core M will run circles around the Core 2 Duo. The m5 is about as fast as the 2015 MacBook Air for short bursts.
 
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ShionoyaTamaki

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I'm thinking of purchasing the 2016 Retina Macbook.

I'm using a Macbook aluminium unibody from 2008. It has a Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz processor - I realise it has been nearly eight years since I purchased this computer but I've read Core M processors are not too powerful.

Is there any data or graphs I can compare the two computers?

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=974&cmp[]=2664

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/4n963t/real_world_macbook_2016_m3_m5_m7_application/

https://img.macg.co/2016/5/macgpic-1462873410-5201476212354-sc-jpt.jpg
 
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KohPhiPhi

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Benchmarks are quite useless nowadays. If a task takes 10 ms to be completed by a Mac Pro, having something that's 500% slower means that the action would be performed in 50 ms. Who the hell can notice a difference? However, the heavier the task it get, the bigger are the differences...

This is key! People gotta understand the difference between sustained vs. peak CPU load.

The Macbook is PLENTY powerful for 95% of the population because most people dont require sustained CPU load (video encoding, huge code compiling, 3D graphic processing, etc). Most people only require bursts of performance (rendering a Photoshop image, exporting a heavy Word/PowerPoint file, etc), and for that the Macbook is more than OK.
 

askep3

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So is anyone else experiencing the issues Liat talked about, such as rebooting, weird screen calibration, and lower than expected performance, or was his rMB just defective?
 

Fernandez21

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So is anyone else experiencing the issues Liat talked about, such as rebooting, weird screen calibration, and lower than expected performance, or was his rMB just defective?
I also had random reboots and slower performance. It happened like 3 or 4 times in the span of a week, I close the lid to make the mac go to sleep, then a couple hours after i open it only to be greeted with a message saying it had been restarted. Performance was also pretty slow, it rendered pages like the verge a bit slower than my 2011 macbook air.

I have since exchanged it for an m7 model, and this one is much better performance wise. Ive only had it a day, so not sure if the sleep restarts have been fixed or not.
 

askep3

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I also had random reboots and slower performance. It happened like 3 or 4 times in the span of a week, I close the lid to make the mac go to sleep, then a couple hours after i open it only to be greeted with a message saying it had been restarted. Performance was also pretty slow, it rendered pages like the verge a bit slower than my 2011 macbook air.

I have since exchanged it for an m7 model, and this one is much better performance wise. Ive only had it a day, so not sure if the sleep restarts have been fixed or not.

Which processor did you have before? Since the m3 has pretty low performance compared to the m5 and m7. Also, I wonder if you also got a defective model or if all retina MacBooks have the reboot issue. I'm planning to buy one and if mine does the same thing would I have to exchange it...
 

Fernandez21

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Which processor did you have before? Since the m3 has pretty low performance compared to the m5 and m7. Also, I wonder if you also got a defective model or if all retina MacBooks have the reboot issue. I'm planning to buy one and if mine does the same thing would I have to exchange it...
it was the m5 model.
 
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