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MacBook Pro disappointment

usagora said:
Since you say you don't know how else to say it, let me help you out. Another way to say it is that we have differing opinions. Neither of us is "right" or "wrong." Those words are nonsensical when talking about non-factual matters. Does Apple also bringing back MagSafe on select Apple laptops mean they were "wrong" to not have it on others? Of course not. In fact, many here think it's pointless (not I, but I'm just pointing out that not everyone is in the same camp). Also, none of the dongles I have have "frail" wires and they've been working for me for many years. Been using them since about 2007 with the white plastic MacBook all the way through my current 2020 MBA M1.
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sorry but im right and apple agrees with me.
 
Vref said:
When it comes to computers computers (desktop or laptop) I don’t get the appeal in mac, price to horsepower, plus lack of being able to tinker and upgrade as much, I build my desktops or go asus or MSI for my laptops, for the specs the Apple just is silly, and unlike the phones and stuff their computers fit and finish ain’t a difference
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And add to that list of issues the fact that the Macs are now bundling all components into one chip, including the SSD. And once that SSD or any other portion of that chip fails the entire system is useless, since the boot info was there and these Macs won't boot from external drives (even if just the SSD died).
 
scheinderrob said:
i don't know how else to say this, but you're wrong. which is why apple has started to reintroduce the ports lmao. it seems kind of common sense that carrying around a bunch of dongles with frail wires will lead to failure over time especially in a travel settings.
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Agreed. And having to have a dongle plugged in constantly just to attach peripherals also leads to a much higher chance of damaging the port they're plugged into. Same reason I hate that Apple devices have eschewed headphone ports and require an odd USB-C dongle to get one (which then hangs off the bottom of an iPad or iPhone where it's more-easily damaged).
 
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scheinderrob said:
i don't know how else to say this, but you're wrong. which is why apple has started to reintroduce the ports lmao. it seems kind of common sense that carrying around a bunch of dongles with frail wires will lead to failure over time especially in a travel settings.
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No, usagora was not wrong; you are. The question is not about wanting dongles, it is about wanting some limited-use port like slow, limitimg SD or preferring real throughput as provided by another TB that can then be dongled with bandwidth shared to fast CF Express cards or to all the multitude of slow USB formats like Micro USB, USB-A, SD, etc. that we all stumble upon with some frequency.. Please Apple give us back 4 TB ports in our $4k+ MBPs.
 
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pdoherty said:
Agreed. And having to have a dongle plugged in constantly just to attach peripherals also leads to a much higher chance of damaging the port they're plugged into. Same reason I hate that Apple devices have eschewed headphone ports and require an odd USB-C dongle to get one (which then hangs off the bottom of an iPad or iPhone where it's more-easily damaged).
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Sure, ports are nice to have when the device you have needs that specific port; duh. But ports on laptops remain very limited - - they are not Studios, even though they have similar power.

So when you want some specific port like a slow SD and Apple takes away a versatile high-bandwidth TB4 port to achieve that, folks like me who need bandwidth rather than slow, limiting ports that are easily dongled object. With a dongle I can get (fast) CF Express + (slow) SD + multiple USB-A all concurrently from one TB4 port.
 
Allen_Wentz said:
?? How can 33+ posters here like on a post that is obviously factually all wrong?

1) 13" M2 MBPs and even M2 MBAs come with two TB4 ports. If the OP actually got an M2 with only one port as claimed it must be some kind of miracle or dramatic one-up production flaw (very very unlikely).

2) The OP claims he bought 32 GB RAM, and M2 13" MBPs max out at 24 GB RAM. My partner owns one and she loves it.

3) The ports on the low end are not kept secret. Even if the OP was not factually all wrong, how can 33+ folks approve of such whining? It would be like buying a blue car then complaining because you do not like blue, except that it is a flat lie, which is even worse.

Apparently we and MR have been trolled.
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And you know what’s the best part? Since it’s inception this thread lingered in the front page forum threads, stays in the top 10 all the time. Instead of some
Vref said:
I know more macs that had to run a VM to run windows to get work done than windows guys who needed to run mac

But I get your point
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AndyMacAndMic said:
What is there to monitor? It is simple a descending reaction count sort. Threads with most reactions = top thread.



Define useful because it differs from person to person. How do you measure a subjective criterium like that? Who is going to decide that? What you define as not useful can be useful/interesting to others (it must be if the reaction count is high).
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That’s correct, this thread serves as a temporary digital town square, but not much more.
I just mean there are questions more interesting and people in search of real answers. This just diverts attention.
I get your point but you seem in need to question mine.
 
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Allen_Wentz said:
No, usagora was not wrong; you are. The question is not about wanting dongles, it is about wanting some limited-use port like slow, limitimg SD or preferring real throughput as provided by another TB that can then be dongled with bandwidth shared to fast CF Express cards or to all the multitude of slow USB formats like Micro USB, USB-A, SD, etc. that we all stumble upon with some frequency.. Please Apple give us back 4 TB ports in our $4k+ MBPs.
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nope, you're both wrong bud. the rant you get into afterwards proves me right.
 
pdoherty said:
Agreed. And having to have a dongle plugged in constantly just to attach peripherals also leads to a much higher chance of damaging the port they're plugged into. Same reason I hate that Apple devices have eschewed headphone ports and require an odd USB-C dongle to get one (which then hangs off the bottom of an iPad or iPhone where it's more-easily damaged).
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If you want to argue based on a convenience factor, sure, I'll give you that. But arguing based on the concern about damaging a port from overuse? I'm sorry, but that's silly. If you damage a port, that's on you, not the lack of diverse ports. Plus, you could make that same argument even if the laptop had all sorts of ports. If there's only 1 HDMI port, for instance, then it's no more/less susceptible to damage than if you had to use a USB-C port with a dongle. And as for the frailty of the dongles themselves, I guess I'll give that to you for Apple USB-C to 3.5mm dongle, as that one has a very thin wire (though, so do the Apple headphones themselves, so it's sort of a moot point), however, every other Apple or third party dongle I've owned has been very sturdy and I have absolutely no concern about their durability.
 
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scheinderrob said:
one could say the same about you
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One could, but one would be wrong. I actually gave a reasoned response to your post. Then all you say in rebuttal is "I'm right and Apple agrees with me." The only people you're convincing with that level of "argumentation" are people who already agreed with you to begin with. Congrats, I guess.
 
usagora said:
If you want to argue based on a convenience factor, sure, I'll give you that. But arguing based on the concern about damaging a port from overuse? I'm sorry, but that's silly. If you damage a port, that's on you, not the lack of diverse ports. Plus, you could make that same argument even if the laptop had all sorts of ports. If there's only 1 HDMI port, for instance, then it's no more/less susceptible to damage than if you had to use a USB-C port with a dongle. And as for the frailty of the dongles themselves, I guess I'll give that to you for Apple USB-C to 3.5mm dongle, as that one has a very thin wire (though, so do the Apple headphones themselves, so it's sort of a moot point), however, every other Apple or third party dongle I've owned has been very sturdy and I have absolutely no concern about their durability.
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Difference is, by forcing me to use the sole USB-C port for a headphone jack, and possibly breaking that port if that gets knocked/hit, now I can't even charge my device anymore. Far different than if it had a headphone jack and that jack got damaged.
 
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pdoherty said:
Difference is, by forcing me to use the sole USB-C port for a headphone jack, and possibly breaking that port if that gets knocked/hit, now I can't even charge my device anymore. Far different than if it had a headphone jack and that jack got damaged.
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You could also drop your phone and break it. Or drop it in a puddle. It could get knocked/hit while the charging cable is plugged in. Or one of another hundred ways you could screw something up. Sorry, but I just don't see how this as an argument against headphone adapters holds any merit. Be careful with your phone--that applies whether your phone has a dedicated audio jack or not.
 
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