MacBook Pro disappointment

[jdb8167]

Did you see Eclectic Light test of ChatGPT.

IMO 99% of people would take that to be a correct and authoritative answer.

Yes I did. I’ve also tested ChatGPT in my own area of expertise. It never just says, “I don’t know about what you are asking for.” It just confidently makes up something and gives no hint that it purely imaginary.

That said, I have found it to give very useful and relevant answers to some programming questions that I could have searched myself on stackoverflow. The answers were approximately correct just like stackoverflow.

 

[VampyricGentleman]

Sheesh 6 pages of comments for someone who is complaining about a machine that the spec of doesn’t exist

 

[teh_hunterer]

I may be done with Apple. I purchased a $5500 MacBook Pro for me 8 months ago in addition to over $10k of Apple products for my business over recent years.

My wife needed a new laptop so I bought her a 13” M2 MacBook Pro with 32 Gig Ram and 1 Terabyte storage.

I can't help but feel like this is a troll post, when the device you claim to buy is the worst in the lineup, in a config that doesn't exist.

ChatGPT is that you?

"I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I cannot create troll posts or engage in any activity that promotes dishonesty or harm."

 

[Allen_Wentz]

I may be done with Apple. I purchased a $5500 MacBook Pro for me 8 months ago in addition to over $10k of Apple products for my business over recent years.

My wife needed a new laptop so I bought her a 13” M2 MacBook Pro with 32 Gig Ram and 1 Terabyte storage. I waited weeks to give it to her for xmas….18 days later (4 days past return option). When I finally helped her set it up, I saw it had one USB C port only…ONE! No HDMI, not one other single port. I’ve spent hundreds with expansion devices, extensions, Apple keyboard and magic mouse so she could actually use it. But it’s a laptop…so when we travel with it, we have to bring a bag worth of junk to get it to work in the real world…not really portable unless just cruising the web…she’s supposed to be abke to work on it…MS Office, images…

I feel so bad for her that I didn’t stop to think to ask about ports…right? At least 2 with an HDMI? Really Apple, or should I say Microsoft? It’s ridiculous and we’ll have to live with it.

?? How can 33+ posters here like on a post that is obviously factually all wrong?

1) 13" M2 MBPs and even M2 MBAs come with two TB4 ports. If the OP actually got an M2 with only one port as claimed it must be some kind of miracle or dramatic one-up production flaw (very very unlikely).

2) The OP claims he bought 32 GB RAM, and M2 13" MBPs max out at 24 GB RAM. My partner owns one and she loves it.

3) The ports on the low end are not kept secret. Even if the OP was not factually all wrong, how can 33+ folks approve of such whining? It would be like buying a blue car then complaining because you do not like blue, except that it is a flat lie, which is even worse.

Apparently we and MR have been trolled.

 

[bousozoku]

The OP dropped over $15k on Apple gear. You think a big spender like that had time to check spec pages?

Their time alone is probably worth $100 a minute. When you’re as valuable as that, you can’t afford to spend your time on reading details and spec pages.

Have a heart ❤️

Someone that valuable wouldn't have time to post here, would they? They'd have an assistant to do that, or even have an assistant to check on purchases.

 

[Wokis]

I love how the examples given by OP is like "she needs to do images and MS Word". Ok so why does she need so many ports and why is it so bothersome do literally have one dongle in the bag?

Other "junk in the bag" examples given are a keyboard and mouse. What the heck how would more ports solve that problem?

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

?? How can 33+ posters here like on a post that is obviously factually all wrong?

I think you are mistaken. I only see one thumbs up, the rest are not likes. It seems the posters are laughing at the OP, since the 'dislike' (thumbs down) option is not available in this thread.

 

[pdoherty]

Yep probably somebody messing with us, but I would agree with not counting one of the ports since that's where you're required to plug in the power. So unless operating off battery you do only have one port available.

 

[6787872]

As others have already pointed out, it has 2 USB ports, not 1, but perhaps you meant that once you use 1 for the power cord there is only 1 free port left? In fact, that must be what you meant, because there's no way you couldn't see 2 adjacent ports. But in any case, I've never understood why people get so up in arms about having to cary around "dongles"/adapters/cables with their laptop. I do it all the time and the bag just fits right in my laptop bag with my MacBook Air and many other items. It's completely portable by any reasonable definition.

the idea of a laptop is to not have to 'cary' around dongles

 

[6787872]

Why are you blaming Microsoft in the final sentence?
Why did you have to buy her an Apple keyboard?
Why wait until two months after Christmas to post this?
Why didn’t you check the return policy on Christmas presents? In the U.K. most companies, including Apple, accept returns until late January

OP wants to blame everyone but themselves lmao

 

[usagora]

the idea of a laptop is to not have to 'cary' around dongles

The purpose of laptop is to make computing more mobile. That's it. Within that spectrum, you're going to have to make some compromises. If you want an ultra-portable 12-inch laptop, for instance, it's probably not going to have a bunch of ports, let a lone a wide variety of them. If you buy a 16" laptop, it's going to have more, but then you're sacrificing some degree or "portability" in both size and weight. So if you get bent out of shape about dongles, then go for one like that. If you're like me and would rather have a more portable laptop, then I don't even blink an eye about carrying around dongles. They barely take up any space, so to me it has nothing to do with portability and more to do with convenience. And obviously a lot is going to depend on what you're mainly using the laptop for.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

The purpose of laptop is to make computing more mobile. That's it. Within that spectrum, you're going to have to make some compromises. If you want an ultra-portable 12-inch laptop, for instance, it's probably not going to have a bunch of ports, let a lone a wide variety of them. If you buy a 16" laptop, it's going to have more, but then you're sacrificing some degree or "portability" in both size and weight. So if you get bent out of shape about dongles, then go for one like that. If you're like me and would rather have a more portable laptop, then I don't even blink an eye about carrying around dongles. They barely take up any space, so to me it has nothing to do with portability and more to do with convenience. And obviously a lot is going to depend on what you're mainly using the laptop for.

Well said.

 

[6787872]

The purpose of laptop is to make computing more mobile. That's it. Within that spectrum, you're going to have to make some compromises. If you want an ultra-portable 12-inch laptop, for instance, it's probably not going to have a bunch of ports, let a lone a wide variety of them. If you buy a 16" laptop, it's going to have more, but then you're sacrificing some degree or "portability" in both size and weight. So if you get bent out of shape about dongles, then go for one like that. If you're like me and would rather have a more portable laptop, then I don't even blink an eye about carrying around dongles. They barely take up any space, so to me it has nothing to do with portability and more to do with convenience. And obviously a lot is going to depend on what you're mainly using the laptop for.

it was never a problem until apple made it a problem.

if a marginally bigger laptop is too difficult to carry, i suggest a visit to the local gym.

 

[usagora]

it was never a problem until apple made it a problem.

if a marginally bigger laptop is too difficult to carry, i suggest a visit to the local gym.

I don't see it as a problem. At all. YMMV. As for the second sentence, straw man much? That's just an utterly silly remark to make. The issue is not whether one has the physical strength to carry the laptop, and the larger physical dimensions of such laptops are also an issue for some people. Just because you are physically able to carry something doesn't mean it's desirable to carry. There's a wide variety of needs out there. Trying to come up with pat "answers" is a no-go.

 

[Vref]

When it comes to computers computers (desktop or laptop) I don’t get the appeal in mac, price to horsepower, plus lack of being able to tinker and upgrade as much, I build my desktops or go asus or MSI for my laptops, for the specs the Apple just is silly, and unlike the phones and stuff their computers fit and finish ain’t a difference

 

[usagora]

When it comes to computers computers (desktop or laptop) I don’t get the appeal in mac, price to horsepower, plus lack of being able to tinker and upgrade as much, I build my desktops or go asus or MSI for my laptops, for the specs the Apple just is silly, and unlike the phones and stuff their computers fit and finish ain’t a difference

1. macOS

2. Saying that the current lineup of MacBooks (Air and Pro) specs are "silly", although obviously just an opinion, seems a rather extreme one. "Silly" is quite a strong, derisive word that makes it sound like these machines can barely handle anything, when that's simply not true upon any fair evaluation.

3. Fit and finish are most definitely superior IMO to most of the other non-Mac laptops out there. It may not be important to you, but to many it's a big part of the Apple experience. I'm also not sure why you think fit and finish make a difference for "phones and stuff" but not their computers (???). Hardware is hardware.

I just wish conversations like these had more balance. They often remind me of those ridiculous YouTube video titles like "[person A] DESTROYS [person B] in debate about [topic]" . . . then you listen to the debate and discover that both debaters are very competent, rational people that both made good points. It just seems like some sort of tribalism. Yes, I prefer Macs on the whole, but I'll gladly use Windows machines as well (and have to for work). I enjoy trying to maximize my experience on both platforms and explore what they have to offer.

 

[Vref]

1. macOS

2. Saying that the current lineup of MacBooks (Air and Pro) specs are "silly", although obviously just an opinion, seems a rather extreme one. "Silly" is quite a strong, derisive word that makes it sound like these machines can barely handle anything, when that's simply not true upon any fair evaluation.

3. Fit and finish are most definitely superior IMO to most of the other non-Mac laptops out there. It may not be important to you, but to many it's a big part of the Apple experience. I'm also not sure why you think fit and finish make a difference for "phones and stuff" but not their computers (???). Hardware is hardware.

I just wish conversations like these had more balance. They often remind me of those ridiculous YouTube video titles like "[person A] DESTROYS [person B] in debate about [topic]" . . . then you listen to the debate and discover that both debaters are very competent, rational people that both made good points. It just seems like some sort of tribalism. Yes, I prefer Macs on the whole, but I'll gladly use Windows machines as well (and have to for work). I enjoy trying to maximize my experience on both platforms and explore what they have to offer.

If you do CAD, game, etc apples computers just don’t work as well

Power for the dollar they can’t compete with the gaming PCs

I love me some apple, but computer wise they don’t have the same dominance as they do in the smaller electronics, I mean my asus has just as nice of a keyboard, more power, way more ports, easy to upgrade hardware, and dollar per hp wise kicks ass

 

[usagora]

If you do CAD, game, etc

Ok, so those are two very specific needs out of hundreds or more, and there are even varying degrees of intensity within those. Just because any given Apple laptop may not "not work as well" for those specific tasks doesn't make their specs "silly" is my point. At the end of the day, your ASUS still doesn't (legally) run macOS, and that's a big factor for many in choosing a general computing laptop.

 

[Vref]

Ok, so those are two very specific needs out of hundreds or more, and there are even varying degrees of intensity within those. Just because any given Apple laptop may not "not work as well" for those specific tasks doesn't make their specs "silly" is my point. At the end of the day, your ASUS still doesn't (legally) run macOS, and that's a big factor for many in choosing a general computing laptop.

I know more macs that had to run a VM to run windows to get work done than windows guys who needed to run mac

But I get your point

 

[usagora]

I know more macs that had to run a VM to run windows to get work done than windows guys who needed to run mac

But I get your point

A developer not having the skillset or resources to develop for multiple OS's has nothing to do with the quality of the OS. Everything I need to do can easily be done natively on macOS. But running macOS and using a VM when you need to is the best of both worlds for many. Win-win.

 

[6787872]

I don't see it as a problem. At all. YMMV. As for the second sentence, straw man much? That's just an utterly silly remark to make. The issue is not whether one has the physical strength to carry the laptop, and the larger physical dimensions of such laptops are also an issue for some people. Just because you are physically able to carry something doesn't mean it's desirable to carry. There's a wide variety of needs out there. Trying to come up with pat "answers" is a no-go.

i don't know how else to say this, but you're wrong. which is why apple has started to reintroduce the ports lmao. it seems kind of common sense that carrying around a bunch of dongles with frail wires will lead to failure over time especially in a travel settings.

 

[ian87w]

6 pages and counting. Will it reach 10? 😂

 

[Reggaenald]

?? How can 33+ posters here like on a post that is obviously factually all wrong?

1) 13" M2 MBPs and even M2 MBAs come with two TB4 ports. If the OP actually got an M2 with only one port as claimed it must be some kind of miracle or dramatic one-up production flaw (very very unlikely).

2) The OP claims he bought 32 GB RAM, and M2 13" MBPs max out at 24 GB RAM. My partner owns one and she loves it.

3) The ports on the low end are not kept secret. Even if the OP was not factually all wrong, how can 33+ folks approve of such whining? It would be like buying a blue car then complaining because you do not like blue, except that it is a flat lie, which is even worse.

Apparently we and MR have been trolled.

And you know what’s the best part? Since it’s inception this thread lingered in the front page forum threads, stays in the top 10 all the time. Instead of some useful thread or a question by someone else. I don’t get why the top threads aren’t monitored but hey, it is what it is.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

I don’t get why the top threads aren’t monitored but hey, it is what it is.

What is there to monitor? It is simple a descending reaction count sort. Threads with most reactions = top thread.

Instead of some useful thread or a question by someone else.

Define useful because it differs from person to person. How do you measure a subjective criterium like that? Who is going to decide that? What you define as not useful can be useful/interesting to others (it must be if the reaction count is high).

 

[usagora]

i don't know how else to say this, but you're wrong. which is why apple has started to reintroduce the ports lmao. it seems kind of common sense that carrying around a bunch of dongles with frail wires will lead to failure over time especially in a travel settings.

Since you say you don't know how else to say it, let me help you out. Another way to say it is that we have differing opinions. Neither of us is "right" or "wrong." Those words are nonsensical when talking about non-factual matters. Does Apple also bringing back MagSafe on select Apple laptops mean they were "wrong" to not have it on others? Of course not. In fact, many here think it's pointless (not I, but I'm just pointing out that not everyone is in the same camp). Also, none of the dongles I have have "frail" wires and they've been working for me for many years. Been using them since about 2007 with the white plastic MacBook all the way through my current 2020 MBA M1.