...wow.Or tech is improving and they're able to make thinner without compromises.
...wow.Or tech is improving and they're able to make thinner without compromises.
You mean Samsung and LG’s Tandem OLED screen. Apple doesn’t design or create the display. They only list high-level specs such as size, shape, nits. The manufacturers design the technology and the fabrication process.
Incorrect: The Tandem OLED display is designed by Apple and manufactured by Samsung and LG.You mean Samsung and LG’s Tandem OLED screen. Apple doesn’t design or create the display. They only list high-level specs such as size, shape, nits. The manufacturers design the technology and the fabrication process.
i’ve totally noticed this lol, idk if it’s an apple specific thing though, my android phone kinda feels the same way. when charged to 100% those first few percent seem like they go so far!Most Apple users overestimate their battery life due to deceptive algorithms Apple uses in their battery benchmarks. One of the ways they deceive customers is by slowing % decreases at higher %s and accelerating them at lower %s. Most people probably don't use their laptops for longer than 2-3 hours a day, so when they see that their battery life is at 90% after 2 hours of use, they wrongly assume their battery life is 20 hours (2 X 10). In reality, it's 2 hours for the first 10% and then 4-6 hours for the remaining 90%.
Most Apple users overestimate their battery life due to deceptive algorithms Apple uses in their battery benchmarks.
Interesting. Are you referring to the previous generation mini-LED iPad Pro or the latest Tandem-OLED M4 iPad Pros? If the latter, maybe you did get a lemon. Have you had Apple look at it? I’m asking because my M4 iPad Pro screen is flawless and I’ve not seen many complaints.maybe i got a lemon, but the ipad oled screen i have is worse than both my iphone oled and macbook pro mini-led, i'll be upgrading to the last macbook pro model before they switch to oled given how disappointing this thing is. and fwiw the macbook pro screen is the easily the nicest screen i own.
...wow.
Incredibly deceptive. Apple “designed” it by listing high-level specs like the size and shape and resolution. They didn’t design the technology. Samsung and LG invented the underlying tech and the fabrication process. Apple just selected specs based off what Samsung/LG’s fab tech can produce at an acceptable yield.Incorrect: The Tandem OLED display is designed by Apple and manufactured by Samsung and LG.
Great battery life is subjective. It's mediocre, IMO. Windows has better battery life based on my usage patterns (IE. Not just watching videos 24/7).Cool story, but what does that have to do with me actually getting great battery life out of my machine?
I’m not repeating marketing copy back to you. I can go nearly all day working normally on my M1 Pro and I run a lot of software. Some things I do would have chewed through my 2018 Intel MBP battery in an hour.
Agree with the first part, for the second part… some people like more solid feeling objects, even computers, and are willing to pay more for that. See Leica, luxury car brands, good furniture, etc. The feeling of luxury is one of Apple’s key strengths, they need to keep that in mind.I like those rounded display corners. It does not always have to be 100% function - sometimes a little bit of pleasing looks is very nice (and rare to find anyway).
No, they're not. Stagnation is the enemy of progress. Why should MBP's be thicker than what available technology would allow for? Feel free to downrate my related satirical post here.
I'm sure you actually do believe you're getting 12 hours SoT on these macbooks, but what you believe and reality are 2 separate things.
Some reduction in thickness and weight would be good. Definitely not as far as the 2016-2019 MBPs which were a complete cluster****, but the current utilitarian design, which a nice change and big improvement over the previous generation, is a bit too much.
In my usage, Android phones do something similar, but it's not nearly as deceptive as Apple's. Android's battery % drops seem to follow some linear function while Apple's seems to be something like (1 - t)^(1/8).i’ve totally noticed this lol, idk if it’s an apple specific thing though, my android phone kinda feels the same way. when charged to 100% those first few percent seem like they go so far!
And the timing works out: M6 will likely launch late 2026 and use the N2 node from TSMC which will start having volume production in late 2025. N2 is going to be another big step in power efficiency over N3 nodes.Agreed. I get why many are averse to any priority of thinness after the bad experience of the 2016 redesign, but isn’t now the time when the laptops could be made thinner and lighter without sacrificing performance? One of the major issues with the thin “Touch Bar” MacBooks was the heat constraints of Intel chips. We don’t have that issue anymore with the M-series. I feel like the late 2019 16” MBP, after the butterfly keyboard had been done away with, was the sweet spot for design. Yet Intel chips and their inefficiency held it back even then. But if the M3 Air can run without a fan then surely the design of the Pro can be made thinner for an M5 or M6 without returning to the days of the blazing hot Intel laptops.
This must be sarcasm. By this logic Apple Silicon is also not designed by Apple since an 8-year old can go to TSMC and say “give me a system on a chip using that delivers world-leading efficiency and performance per watt.”Incredibly deceptive. Apple “designed” it by listing high-level specs like the size and shape and resolution. They didn’t design the technology. Samsung and LG invented the underlying tech and the fabrication process. Apple just selected specs based off what Samsung/LG’s fab tech can produce at an acceptable yield.
Anyone can go to Samsung and say "Give me your best M14 OLED at a 12" size at AAAAxYYYYp resolution at 1600 nits." Apple shouldn't be applauded for doing something an 8-year-old can do.
lol… you can’t just design your own features in a display and expect it to be compatible with the manufacturer’s process. You would tank yields because you have no knowledge of how the display is produced (Read the article where Samsung refused to tell Apple how the displays are made. How can you design the tech if you don’t even know how it’s made???) and have no idea if what you designed is compatible with the other processes. High-level manufacturing is very strict and allows very little room (If at all) to diverge from a manufacturer’s design rules. The only things Apple can change are features that don’t impact the underlying tech and process (High-level specs like size and resolution).This must be sarcasm. By this logic Apple Silicon is also not designed by Apple since an 8-year old can go to TSMC and say “give me a system on a chip using that delivers world-leading efficiency and performance per watt.”
Apple’s efforts involve much more than merely providing “specs” and the collaboration between Apple, LG and Samsung to implement Apple’s design has clearly advanced the technology — leading to development of panels with enhanced brightness, power efficiency, and durability compared to traditional OLED displays.
Trivializing Apple‘s involvement as “listing high-level specs like the size and shape and resolution” is itself deceptive, misleading and cynical.
Too add, when you’re designing a display feature like edge-to-edge displays by rounding the glass and display substrate, every process is fine-tuned to have maximum yield. Samsung raises the temp in a clean room to a certain point for a certain amount of time to make it flexible without ruining the substrate. All of these methods are trade secrets. Apple can’t just go in and touch things and mess up the process. The tolerance is very tight at each step, so you can’t change the underlying tech or add features.lol… you can’t just design your own features in a display and expect it to be compatible with the manufacturer’s process. You would tank yields because you have no knowledge of how the display is produced (Read the article where Samsung refused to tell Apple how the displays are made. How can you design the tech if you don’t even know how it’s made???) and have no idea if what you designed is compatible with the other processes. High-level manufacturing is very strict and allows very little room (If at all) to diverge from a manufacturer’s design rules. The only things Apple can change are features that don’t impact the underlying tech and process (High-level specs like size and resolution).
You seem to have a very naive and incorrect view of the tech component industry. Yes, Apple just lists high-level specs and plays no role in the actual tech design of their displays. Apple provides manufacturers sales volume and budget to use high-end tech. They don’t provide any technological insight. If this weren’t true, Apple would go with lower-cost Chinese suppliers. They can’t, because Chinese suppliers have worse tech and Apple doesn’t do the actual engineering so there’s nothing Apple can do about it.
Btw, the Apple Silicon efficiency is mostly thanks to TSMC. Chip design is child’s play and mostly a marketing gimmick. You see how the new snapdragon chip matches the PPW of the A18 pro? That’s because it uses the same fab.
Prior to the Apple Tandem-OLED no LG or Samsung panel achieved the brightness, color accuracy, efficiency and durability specs demanded by Apple. Based on your own words above Apple should have waited for the manufacturer to produce the desired panel. Thank goodness Apple’s professionals decided not to follow that advice and instead chose to design the panel they wanted and collaborate with manufacturers to produce it.Too add, when you’re designing a display feature like edge-to-edge displays by rounding the glass and display substrate, every process is fine-tuned to have maximum yield. Samsung raises the temp in a clean room to a certain point for a certain amount of time to make it flexible without ruining the substrate. All of these methods are trade secrets. Apple can’t just go in and touch things and mess up the process. The tolerance is very tight at each step, so you can’t change the underlying tech or add features.
It also makes no sense business-wise for Apple to make any tech designs when the manufacturer is improving the quality every year. Why accept ramp-up risk by crashing yields for no benefit? It makes more sense to just have Samsung/LG make the tech designs improvements and just rebrand their displays to retina xdr or whatever. As long as the supplier isn’t anti-competitive and is willing to sell their best panels, there is no reason to think Apple designed the tech unless you’re an unreasonable Apple fanatic.
Actually that would be an amazing follow up to the 12" design. My 12" MacBook still works, yes it's slow compared to the M series, but I am surprised it has been so good for so long.Give me a 13" MacBook as light as my 12" Retina Macbook and I'll buy it instanstly (and add cellular while at it...)