patience. dosdude1 and/or parrotgeek1 will break it to us if there's any progress in this regard.
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Well, we C2D-owners know the best people are working on it. You guys rock!
I'm fine haha, last time I removed the AMD Kexts the computer kernel panicked and didn't boot up, I had to reinstall the whole Beta OS
Thanks to everyone for the continued work on this.
I've been pigeon-holed into a weird spot where I need my MP 5,1 to boot SL(virtualization isn't satisfactory, as I need to run PPC apps to interface with hardware, and need to do that along side CPU-heavy Intel native apps).
The fact that there are promising developments for getting GPUs that are compatible with both Mojave and SL is promising to me.
I've been pigeon-holed into a weird spot where I need my MP 5,1 to boot SL(virtualization isn't satisfactory, as I need to run PPC apps to interface with hardware, and need to do that along side CPU-heavy Intel native apps).
The fact that there are promising developments for getting GPUs that are compatible with both Mojave and SL is promising to me.
have you also tried running SL with Vmware fusion for example.
could this also be a fix for you.. ?
and run this on top of High Sierra or Mojave...
I haven't seen anyone saying this so I got this idea. People here said that installer works and then os panics? What if you take prelinkedkernel from installer and put it to Mojave? Will it boot? Or is this only dumb idea?
I can't test it as I am sucessfully rocking Mojave on MBP 15" Late 2011.
I can't test it as I am sucessfully rocking Mojave on MBP 15" Late 2011.
I take a serious speed hit on the PPC-native apps(which handle enough data that they can be right pigs) when I do that. So, no, that's not really viable.
What really kills that, though, is that I don't know of any VM software(and I use Fusion almost exclusively) that can reliably do Firewire pass-through....and if I can't have FW there's no point in me even maintaining this system.
Yes, we tried this and something still causes a kernel panic. could be an additional kext, an extra check in the system that we are not aware of, some type of code signing, private framework, etc. We are not sure what it is. Linux QEMU/KVM Mojave users have found they needed to at SSE4.2 and two other instructions to get the graphics to work properly. KVM uses a hardware passthrough on Linux to get to the real hardware. Even those users I believe had to have SSE4.2 in the CPU.
Now Parallels does not use SSE4.2 in its graphics drivers, but it also does not access the real hardware, so its graphics emulation only use SSE4.1 along with its graphics drivers.
The panic however seems to be unrelated at this time.
Thanks to dosdude1, my Mac Pro 5,1 with a Metal compliant GPU card works well with Mojave.
For those with the same configuration, all one needs to do is use his installer tool. No post install functions needed.
For those with the same configuration, all one needs to do is use his installer tool. No post install functions needed.
(sorry if this is a massive diversion for others but i want to be helpful for anyone if possible.)
i'll try to explain as succinctly as possible
i also have two volumes, one hs and one Mojave
they way I did it was:
found:
High Sierra IO80211Family.kext
inside of:
System/Library/Extensions
then open package contents
find :
AirportAtheros40.kext
copy that over to your Mojave install
then get kext utility, or something like it:
https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/140647-latest-kext-utility-macos-sierra-super-speed-edition/
copy that over to you Mojave volume
boot Mojave,
drag the kext in to your magical kext fixing app.
reboot.
then you have wifi.
[doublepost=1530504888][/doublepost]thoughts and offers,
dark mode is cool looking,
but the machine i spend the most time on (2011 27" iMac) is used almost exclusively for Logic Pro x so everything is dark enough anyway
haven't noticed and i'm not aware of anything that makes me feel like i NEED to get to the next os on that machine.
it runs well and does everything i need it to do
anyway, I could talk about my other uses for other machines but that's not point of this thread
I do have Mojave up and running on a container on that machine so if there's anything helpful I can do experiment wise to try to get graphics acceleration happening on the amd card I'm more than happy to help
Thanks everyone for helping me. Final result: it semi-works 
Installation steps for iMac 11,2:
After installing the post tools open terminal:
// this is what is doing the magic
csrutil disable
nvram boot-args="-no_compat_check"
csrutil enable
reboot
Problems:
- wifi
- partial GPU acceleration (because of the AMD gpu)
Installation steps for iMac 11,2:
After installing the post tools open terminal:
// this is what is doing the magic
csrutil disable
nvram boot-args="-no_compat_check"
csrutil enable
reboot
Problems:
- wifi
- partial GPU acceleration (because of the AMD gpu)
Partial? So some acceleration works? Has anyone tried to copy HS wireless kexts to Mojave?
I'm silly. The answer about wifi was in a post right above.
FYI.. posting your serial number can cause you problems.. in the future scratch out the # from the image
[doublepost=1530539161][/doublepost]I have now an laggy AMD Support.
2011 MacBook Pro 17"
I create an install with the patcher then I use an high Sierra TM File backup...
but the AMD works not 100% I work now on the AMD kext files.
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Offtopic rant:
It is interesting to note that the busiest and most sought after topic under the Mojave section of the forums is called "macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread". It is easy to see why - a 2011 Mac Mini or even a 2009 i5/i7 iMac 27" are almost just as capable machines as some of the current offerings.
Somebody should really make a petition, maybe Apple will change it's mind.
Forcing hardware obsolescence through software is a bad practice, it is not environmently friendly and clearly devalues even a few year old Mac. It undermines the case to purchase a higher priced, but more lasting Mac instead of a PC. Now it seems the opposite is true: a PC is usually both less expensive, lasts longer (at least on the software side) and more versatile. Also, it is noteworthy that I can install the latest and greatest Windows on any of the unsupported Intel Macs (even those dropped by Sierra) and it will work perfectly well.
I am also quite unhappy about the fact that with each new version Mac OS there is a danger for a bunch of old applications to just break forever. Games are a prime example: on the latest Windows I can run 15 year old game and it will probably work without problems. Now when I try the same even with a few years old game (which by some strange turn of events was ported to Mac), even if it somehow starts, the OS will surely complain that the app is not optimized and will soon cease to function unless the developer does something (it won't, since it probably wasn't really profitable to port it to Mac in the first place), only because Apple decided that running a 32 bit application will not be appropriate anymore in 2019 (ohh, and OpenGL will also be removed in a few years time). I understand that Apple is always a forward looking company, but even as a longtime and loyal Mac user, I'm just getting to feel a bit too claustrophobic as the walls of Apple's pretty garden are getting ever closer around me.
Rant over. Sorry. I know I'm being stupid and unapplefanlike.
It is interesting to note that the busiest and most sought after topic under the Mojave section of the forums is called "macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread". It is easy to see why - a 2011 Mac Mini or even a 2009 i5/i7 iMac 27" are almost just as capable machines as some of the current offerings.
Somebody should really make a petition, maybe Apple will change it's mind.
Forcing hardware obsolescence through software is a bad practice, it is not environmently friendly and clearly devalues even a few year old Mac. It undermines the case to purchase a higher priced, but more lasting Mac instead of a PC. Now it seems the opposite is true: a PC is usually both less expensive, lasts longer (at least on the software side) and more versatile. Also, it is noteworthy that I can install the latest and greatest Windows on any of the unsupported Intel Macs (even those dropped by Sierra) and it will work perfectly well.
I am also quite unhappy about the fact that with each new version Mac OS there is a danger for a bunch of old applications to just break forever. Games are a prime example: on the latest Windows I can run 15 year old game and it will probably work without problems. Now when I try the same even with a few years old game (which by some strange turn of events was ported to Mac), even if it somehow starts, the OS will surely complain that the app is not optimized and will soon cease to function unless the developer does something (it won't, since it probably wasn't really profitable to port it to Mac in the first place), only because Apple decided that running a 32 bit application will not be appropriate anymore in 2019 (ohh, and OpenGL will also be removed in a few years time). I understand that Apple is always a forward looking company, but even as a longtime and loyal Mac user, I'm just getting to feel a bit too claustrophobic as the walls of Apple's pretty garden are getting ever closer around me.
Rant over. Sorry. I know I'm being stupid and unapplefanlike.
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Don’t use markup for censoring information either. https://9to5mac.com/2018/03/13/ios-markup-reveal-redact-sensitive-info/
Offtopic rant:
It is interesting to note that the busiest and most sought after topic under the Mojave section of the forums is called "macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread". It is easy to see why - a 2011 Mac Mini or even a 2009 i5/i7 iMac 27" are almost just as capable machines as some of the current offerings.
Somebody should really make a petition, maybe Apple will change it's mind.
Forcing hardware obsolescence through software is a bad practice, it is not environmently friendly and clearly devalues even a few year old Mac. It undermines the case to purchase a higher priced, but more lasting Mac instead of a PC. Now it seems the opposite is true: a PC is usually both less expensive, lasts longer (at least on the software side) and more versatile. Also, it is noteworthy that I can install the latest and greatest Windows on any of the unsupported Intel Macs (even those dropped by Sierra) and it will work perfectly well.
I am also quite unhappy about the fact that with each new version Mac OS there is a danger for a bunch of old applications to just break forever. Games are a prime example: on the latest Windows I can run 15 year old game and it will probably work without problems. Now when I try the same even with a few years old game (which by some strange turn of events was ported to Mac), even if it somehow starts, the OS will surely complain that the app is not optimized and will soon cease to function unless the developer does something (it won't, since it probably wasn't really profitable to port it to Mac in the first place), only because Apple decided that running a 32 bit application will not be appropriate anymore in 2019 (ohh, and OpenGL will also be removed in a few years time). I understand that Apple is always a forward looking company, but even as a longtime and loyal Mac user, I'm just getting to feel a bit too claustrophobic as the walls of Apple's pretty garden are getting ever closer around me.
Rant over. Sorry. I know I'm being stupid and unapplefanlike.
Planned obsolescence. Apple is a hardware company, and they do not make any money on our old machines. Furthermore, they really do want to offer top-notch systems without the overhead of compatibility with older tech. However, it has not always been so. Apple has always offered very poor GPUs, and their recent quest for Metal only has resulted in premature obsolescence of many systems.
That said, it would be easy for Apple to include all 64-bit machines ever offered in the compatibility list for 10.14 Death Valley. They could catch all SSE4.2 instructions and emulate in SSE4.1, and they could offer OpenGL for a few more rounds as a workable substitute.
Apple's obsolensce pace is quite ridiculous, given that they have not offered any new machines to replace old ones. There was never any reason for me to replace my cMP 3,1 with the slightly newer 4,1 and 5,1, and when 6,1 came, it was an entirely different system glued in one size fits all. Where do I put my four disks?
The point is as follows:
They earn enough money with new smartphones, because it's just a thing to buy a new smartphone at the moment it releases. So much people buy a new Iphone 8 or X, because they just wanna show other people the phone they have. So for Apple it's no problem to update old phones with new software (Iphone 5S with iOS 12 for example), because people will still buy new phones. Of course this update is a good thing for us as customers, but for Apple sales it doesn't matter. They will still sell enough new phones.
With laptops/pc's it's a totally other thing. Almost no one buys every year a new laptop. Those old laptops from 2011 are still performing pretty well, and people don't see any reason to replace them with new ones. Ofcourse Apple doesn't want this. So they decided to force everyone with an old Mac to upgrade to a newer model.
You maybe ask yourself, why forcing? Well, because it give's people who are using an older Mac the feeling they need to upgrade. They don't receive any new updates anymore, and they start to think: 'Well, my Macbook is 7 years old. It's maybe time for an upgrade to a new model'.
I'm saying this as a real Apple fan, but this makes me disappointed. Those old Mac pc's could have lasted for much longer, but Apple just refuses to give them new updates. Luckily we have this forum
(sorry for my bad English, i'm not a native speaker)
About the wifi, i'm gonna try the instructions from the post above
They earn enough money with new smartphones, because it's just a thing to buy a new smartphone at the moment it releases. So much people buy a new Iphone 8 or X, because they just wanna show other people the phone they have. So for Apple it's no problem to update old phones with new software (Iphone 5S with iOS 12 for example), because people will still buy new phones. Of course this update is a good thing for us as customers, but for Apple sales it doesn't matter. They will still sell enough new phones.
With laptops/pc's it's a totally other thing. Almost no one buys every year a new laptop. Those old laptops from 2011 are still performing pretty well, and people don't see any reason to replace them with new ones. Ofcourse Apple doesn't want this. So they decided to force everyone with an old Mac to upgrade to a newer model.
You maybe ask yourself, why forcing? Well, because it give's people who are using an older Mac the feeling they need to upgrade. They don't receive any new updates anymore, and they start to think: 'Well, my Macbook is 7 years old. It's maybe time for an upgrade to a new model'.
I'm saying this as a real Apple fan, but this makes me disappointed. Those old Mac pc's could have lasted for much longer, but Apple just refuses to give them new updates. Luckily we have this forum
(sorry for my bad English, i'm not a native speaker)
About the wifi, i'm gonna try the instructions from the post above
DeathValley - that would be a nice MacOS version name for the next one (10.15).
Or perhaps appropriate for this version instead as designatedd by macdos?
Just kidding. To what I've seen so far, I like what I see on Mojave.
~ Mahalo ~
Well, iOS support for iOS 11 only goes back to the 5s (5 years) so dropping support for the 6 year old + Macs falls right in line with that. iOS 12 is supposed to support also back to the 5s so I suspect that device will drop off for iOS 13.
Hello!
I am writing English with Google Translate because I am poor at English.
It says it will kernel panic with MacPro 3.1, but is not caused by ATI HD 2600 XT or GeForce 8800 GT?
And maybe try deleting the Bluetooth module and trying it out.
How about trying to start up under Metal supported video card and MacPro 3.1 with Bluetooth 2.1 or later added?
Sincerely,
I am writing English with Google Translate because I am poor at English.
It says it will kernel panic with MacPro 3.1, but is not caused by ATI HD 2600 XT or GeForce 8800 GT?
And maybe try deleting the Bluetooth module and trying it out.
How about trying to start up under Metal supported video card and MacPro 3.1 with Bluetooth 2.1 or later added?
Sincerely,
Macs and iOS devices have not evolved at the same rate. Older Macs are many times more capable than older iOS devices of the same age, to the point that you really can't compare the two and call it equal. Here's a quote from my earlier post in this thread:
To me it matters more if the hardware is actually capable of running the newer software at a decent pace, rather than arbitrarily setting a 7 year cut-off or requiring Metal as a necessity when in fact the OS still has everything necessary for OpenGL acceleration. 2011 Macs are more than capable of running a modern OS and applications, and with an SSD they don't feel slow at all.
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